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Thor: Disassembled is one of the greatest thor stories of all time, it goes deep into the thundergod like no other series ever dared to. Thank you. I've been looking to get it for a while. #6 was a little quiet...too quiet. But presumably now Odin will be back on earth now that Thor has zapped the whole world? After seeing Thor do that I'm thinking he's just probably shown he could take on almost any hero the MU has. And that means Wolverine.

If they do go the direction of looking at the myths more then I'd be even more impressed. I still need to pick up Thor: Disassembled anyone want to give me a quick review?

Right, so I went through the first 15 issues of NA with the intent of finding clues that would help out, and here are some ideas; In issue one, I do think it's Nick Fury hiring Electro - he's trying to set up a new team. This would make sense as it ties in with what Cap says about coming together because of fate (It's ironic as Fury is the cause of it all). Issue two, (and has already been mentioned) Cap says "I was on my way to a security conference in Washington DC and instead I've been-" Cap was redirected to the site by someone. Issue five, Wolverine gets a call by a villain called The Scorcher telling him that two mutates wanted to have him break Karl Lykos out of the Raft. Does Sauron have any specific abilities that the Skrulls would find useful or would need him back in The Savage Land out of the way? Issue six uncovers the fact that the American government have been mining vibranium using the mutates as slaves. The first thing that came to me wa that it could be possible that the Skrulls have agents within SHIELD that have created this operation to get as much vibranium as they can to build weapons and defenses (The idea of Skrull agents in SHIELD becomes more and more obvious the more you read). This would also explain why Yelena Belova attacks the team: I don't think she is a Skrull, but she IS following the orders of Skrulls whether she knows it or not. This issue also has a kicker: Tony discovers that SHIELD files have been tampered with when he compares them to the Avengers Mansion files - certain villains that were reported dead are actually alive and in the Raft (Silver Samurai being one of them). Now I thought about this and it could be that those villains are actually dead in which case the ones that escaped could be Skrulls or Skrulls have been hiding Villains in the Raft as muscle when the time comes (Or maybe to create a little chaos). Issue twelve, Lady HYDRA knows that both SHIELD and HYDRA are 'rotting' maybe due to the infiltration of the Skrull, LH "...more to the point the people who are really running them" SS "And who is that?" LH "I'll tell you once I know I can trust you again..." Another thing I noticed was the amount of prisoners that they said escaped changed quite alot, but I don't know if thats because other heroes picked them up. They are just some clues I picked up. Most are pretty straight forward, as far as they point to an invasion coming up, which we know already, but based on what I've picked up on, I've got these ideas.

Well didn't expect the gender swap, looks like Thor now WILL have to be dealing with the more evil gods of the pantheon. HURRAH! I know what you're saying about the whole deal with Thor, as the way that I understood it in the comics was that the Asgardians weren't technically Gods, rather just long lived people that were pretty strong, which I guess was decided on the fact tha it would be easier to tell stories if they could die. But the way that it's been written now you get the impression that there is still the threat in the fact that if people don't believe in them, then they don't exist. Which is good.

Man this Thor story is happening too slow for my liking - it needs to be out soon! It looks like Tony is still after Thor for some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if he has something planned for him at some point. Though I would've thought that Thor would be exempt from SHRA, in the same way Doc Strange is (Though he's still part of the NA, and breaking the law). The last thing I knew of the Thor Clone was it being on the operating table after it had killed Bill Foster, so I've assumed its still 'alive'.

Elektra was New Avengers 31

It's not like being a policeman because if you have superpowers, you HAVE to register and therefore are under the scrutiny of the government. Even if you choose not to join shield, the government has a say in what you do i.e NO super heroics. And technically, the Thunderbolts aren't really an extension of a post SHRA rehabilitation program, otherwise the team would contain heroes that had broken laws of the act, not villains. And the thing about the mask, whether it be brightly coloured or not isn't a waiver of privacy, in fact its the opposite. Wearing a mask is a way to differentiate the two characters of the same person and if that didn't matter to a hero, then he wouldn't wear one.

The way that I understood registration was that if you were a 'practicing' superhero or you had super powers then you had to be registered with the government and had to receive proper training, then if you wanted to you could join SHIELD. What I don't agree with is the fact that by joining a government initiative you effectively are told who the bad guys are and have to deal with them in the way that the government tells you to. The big example of how this breaks down is the Thunderbolts (It's the best book Marvel has at the moment IMO, but that doesn't mean it has to make sense). We know that Norman Osborne is a villain; it's in his character, thats who he is and yet he has been given amnesty, along with all the rest of the team, pardons, money, new way of life for when they retire etc. If we were to absolutely believe that the government created this act as a way to protect the whole country absolutely, then Norman wouldn't head the team, in fact the Thunderbolts wouldn't exist and villains would be forced to pay the debts they owe to society. The government has told the country that the Thunderbolts team, although they have broken the law (In some cases beyond the limits of rehabilitation) are NOT the enemy (They are marketed as heroes - the toys, tv adverts, "Who wants to be a superhero?") and that the people that have saved lives and upheld good morals are in fact breaking the law if they continue to do so. In some ways the Thunderbolts are just as outside the moral compass of the government as much as the unlicensed superheroes, its just that being a Thunderbolt isn't against the law. I think that the SHRA, although sounds good in that it is a system to protect the heroes and the public essentially is a way for the government to take control of the superhero population and use them for its own needs. As a result of that it means that they are controlled by government priorities, legislation, policies etc, rather than their own moral judgment (Which has to be worth something, as they wouldn't be superheroes - they'd be villains otherwise). If a hero is told to do something that is against their moral judgment and thus not within the interests of the government then they are disobeying orders and are liable for their own convictions. Also if you registered but didn't join SHIELD you would still be under scrutiny. I wouldn't want that in my life. Aunt May being shot wasn't a result of the SHRA is true enough, but Nitro exploding at Stamford wasn't a result of heroes not being 'trained' properly. He exploded because he had no disregard for the lives of those around him and if they had been trained it wouldn't have stopped him killing all those people.

They both have the scream of BB, so I don't know. It may be tied up as to when BB was switched in the main story. I think what the interesting thing is that it seems that the Skrulls are able to produce the actual powers of characters, so if they reproduced the powers of say, Prof X or Emma Frost (and it seems likely that they could) then they are able to take control of minds as well, maybe even to the extent that Prof X etc can be fooled. Another thing I have heard is that Mr Fantastic is also a Skrull, which would explain his enthusiasm in CW and making 42 - a prison for the superheroes of the earth. Though again, I don't read FF, so I don't know if there has been anything to back up or disprove that theory. I still think Nick Fury knows all about what's going on, and thats why he went into hiding, unable to trust anyone 100%

Just read New Avengers Illuminati, and so it turns out that Black Bolt is a Skrull!!! didn't see that coming, though I didn't read his Silent War limited series, so it may make more sense. I knew that one of them had to be a Skrull, though didn't really know which. The Professor said that the Skrull's mind was either wired to think he was Black Bolt, or that they have found a way to get round his telepathy, but then I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Obviously they have all become hugely suspicious of each other, so I'm not sure if the team has now disbanded or not. Was cool to see Namor take out the Skrull though. The other thing I noticed was that one of the two Skrulls that appeared had a Thor style hammer and the other had skin like Colossus - could this mean that they also are Skrulls? - remember Bendis said that we should pay close attention to characters that had been resurrected? Does that mean they are Skrulls, or that they are targets for swapping with Skrulls?. Mr Fantastic said that it wasn't likely that Black Bolt had been swapped when they were held captive on the Skrull ship...so where is he? Looks like this thing has begun - really looking forward to it next year!

My top five marvel comics (616) at the moment IMO: 1: Thunderbolts - Paranoid, delusional, schizophrenic, manic depressive, power hungry super villains working for the good of the country. What more could you ask? This is a really good book to be reading at the moment with this team; Norman Osborn written as he should be written, C + D list unregistered super heroes going up against them and losing, venom eating people, various back stabbings, and all played out as an openly 'good' hero team. I'm loving it. 2: New Avengers - All the best Marvel heroes in one team, as it should have always been, massive story arcs, tight scripting, trademark Bendis shocks and hints to stories, multi-layered, action where it's due, and brilliant art at the moment. 3: Daredevil - Matt Murdock living in the 'real' world having just clawed his way out of one major disaster falls right back into another. What I really like about this title at the moment is that Brubaker is pulling up all of Daredevil's rogue's gallery (even the more dubious ones - the matador etc) and making them genuinely difficult foes for DD to fight. Another thing that I like about this title is that it has less 'colour' and more grit to it. 4: Thor - All the right ideas about how a God can really walk among men, theological dynamics and Norse Mythology. This Thor relates to the man without a home or a meaning, and is alive because man believes in him. 5: Ghost Rider - Harsh, dark humour, desperation, relentless, sheer will of character (The Devil really, really messes Johnny about), brilliant ideas and brilliant artwork. This is my 5. Have fun thinking about your own five. Oh and wooden spoon award goes to any spiderman book thats on the market at the moment; biggest Marvel franchise does the one thing that he's so desperately trying not to do for 40 years over the space of about 3 issues, runs around for months on end doing nothing, feeling sorry for himself and pissing readers off. Thanks.

Thor totalled Iron man's armour, and Tony had to have a replacment made, so I don't think it was a Skrull. Also, surely extremis would be able to detect whether his armour was a Skrull or not?

Yeah I assumed it was Loki they were talking about, as you can't have Thor without Loki. The warrior woman in the defenders was Valkyre, who was also from Asgard. In Norse Mythology there was more than one Valkrye who would go to where battles had been fought and take the souls of worthy warriors to Valhalla. Another woman it could be is The Lady Sif who was an actual Asgardian God. Thor had some children by her in the myths. She was pretty hot in the comics Also, I also think it was Njord who was God of the sea (Ship enclosure). Aegir was the guy that was a sorceror, or king who went to Asgard and sat in the great hall and listened to the stories about the Gods.

Yeah Thor's a God whether he has his hammer or not - it was destroyed at one point, so he can go without it. Heimdall is the god that protected bifrost bridge - the bridge that linked Asgard to Midgard (Earth), hence the angry man in New Orleans having the spirit of Heimdall in him. I think there was around 12 'main' Gods in Asgard, but thats based on my Nordic Mythology, not my 'Stan Lee Nordic Mythology' (There are differences). The warriors 3 aren't in the original myths, but I do quite like them, so it'll be good to see them back.

Yeah I liked the idea that Donald Blake talks about;- that the gods exist only because humans believe in them, rather than the other way round - which is sort of how the whole norse mythology worked in the first place... I assumed that the book was set after WWH, as Tony is free, but I guess it could be before. I'm looking forward to getting his book running; getting the relationships back, the villains, the asgardians etc. I've never really been interested in Thor in the past, but ever since he was in Ultimate Avengers I've had an interest, but not had the chance to, what with him being 'dead' Made me wanna catch up anyway. He was angry though, wasn't he? ol' goldilocks