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  1. I didn't see a topic started on it here, so forgive me if it has been mentioned. http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=23&itemid=14715 This is more what I want to see from Marvel select. I have been passing up most of their toys because of the lack of villians and truely unique characters deserving a more complex sculpt or design. While I am aware of the popularity of the main characters, how many different versions of Wolvie, Spidy, and Hulky are we really going to need? We did get one fairly good Abomination figure from ToyBiz, which was really lacking in a lot of ways because it was only a $10.00 item after all, but it is also obveous we are not getting much in the way of ML sized items from Hasbro any more, even granted a few 2 packs, the figures will not be big, hulky characters, and less than average detailing in sculpt or paint. Anything like Ulik the Troll, an in scale Bi-Beast, Or an obscure character like Watcher from Hasbro? No. Those are the things I want to see as large, detailed toys, not G.I.Joe/StarWars formatted slot fitters. This new Abomination shows what we could be getting if MS would spend a little more time on obscure, unusual looking Marvel characters that we will no longer get from Hasbro or ToyBiz. I want to see a new Man Thing in MS, or Sauron, or any number of weird looking marvel characters Marvel is famous for. In the mean time I gotta wait for another wave of Wolverines and Spiderman figures to spend time warming the pegs before I can even get this awesome Abomination figure. Which, might prevent a lot of vendors from ordering it if there is no new shelf space. If MS wants to move their products, they might try making something new and fresh like that more often.
  2. I have bought 1 Lobo, 1 Starfire/Adam Strange 2 pack, 1 King Greyskull, 3 Beast-Man, 2 Skeletor, 2 Stratos, 3 Mer-Man. I live in the USA C is my grade for MC because while my products are great, it is excessivly difficult to order them with the way they now put the products up durring my work hours with no options for pre-orders or reserves. I did subscribe to the subscription service, but that did not help when I missed Mer-Man on the first release day and barely managed to get him the second time. I completely missed Hordak because I was not able to be home for the mere hour or less time it takes them to sell out. The limited time frame and disfunctional web site durring the release time for the MotUC is like a rat race only for those priveledged enough to not have a life or other obligations durring the middle of a day in the middle of a month. Online ordering of products is supposed to be simpler and easier than going to a store, not more difficult and complicated. It is supposed to be a luxury, not a challenge. The shipping time on my products has varied from a single day to over 3 weeks, but customer service was polite and helpful. The Blister cards and packaged have always had some minor damage from the shipping, so good thing I am not a MOC or MIP collector. Thank you.
  3. The actual He-Man figure poses a paradox for me, because while I love Masters of the Universe and 98% of the characters in it, He-Man is actually my least favorite character from the line, so I'm on the fence as to wether to buy him or not. @hmmm@ I'm much more excited about all the other characters! It wouldn't seem right to get all of them and not him, but it looks like he's got a better chance than the others, so I might actually pass on him. Better someone who does want him get him, than me just for the sake of completion.
  4. Well at that time, 1981, he wasn't available yet. That was before they even had "all" the figures out on the pegs. It really should have said something more like "Coming Soon!!!", but they weren't that sophisticated yet. @loll@
  5. I guess you could say the "B list" characters were my "A list". I never liked or identified with He-Man specificly, but the other odd characters were what got me hooked on the line. Actually, Beast-Man was kinda the first B list character, because was not the main good or bad guy. I got the first He-Man because I was looking for some good competition for my Hoth Wampa to smack the tar out of, and he cost less than the average G.I.Joe item at the time. While He-Man didn't have that kinda articulation, the sculpting detail of the figure did impress me quite a bit, so I decided I needed to get the orange guy with the whip, because he looksed more geared for fighting Wampas! By then, while I was dissapointed Beast-Man didn't look as cool as he did on the back of the card, I was really starting to explore the fantasy element that the characters fit into, and it took off from there. Whiplash became my second favorite figure despite the fact his tail was designed more like a cape, because he was so reptilian! He was like the first real lizard figure! I had him crawling around on walls like Spiderman! I loved Moss-Man because he was like the return of my favorite figure in my favorite color with a pine fresh scent! I loved Stinkor too, but mom made me keep him out in the shed most of the time. Spikor was my ultimate sparring bad guy, I spent hours poping out his weird arm trident weapon. When Grizzlor came out, he pretty much replaced Beast-Man as my main character, and Modulok was the ultimate bad guy! I spent months putting him together and tearing him apart! Frankly, I loved the B list characters, because they were the heart and soul of the line for me!
  6. Well I've already posted my arguments why I like them along with pics of the 8-back card art on another thread, and I don't want to do so here again and get accused of spamming, so if you want to see them, go to the botom of this thread page; http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?showt...50&start=50 I think the unique way these are being created will only last as long as the unique designe art they have to work with, because at some point the art pics were replaced by product pics that actually looked like the figures. This whole first set is like filling in a void that a lot of kids had when they first came out. I remember being very disapointed with the first Beast-Man figure, (even though he still became my favorite,) because he didn't look like I was expecting him to look, thanks to that misleading art. In a way, this set is like MATTEL made a corrected version, 20 years later. I'm happy now!
  7. Just to throw another monkey wrench in the conversation of old vs. new, I would just like to mention again that these new figures are not exactly based on the first actual figures, but on the original art off the backs of the first figure cards. The first figures were awesome for their time, but they were obveouslly lacking something from the pics shown on the back of the cards, so while Beast-Man was my favorite figure from the line back in the day, I was always wishing he looked more like the pic on the back, and now he does!!! Plus he has DCUC level articulation to boot! I don't know why some people are so upset, because they can only go about as far as the first 8 figures doing this, due to the fact that's all the unique art they have to work with, so after that they will probably start doing items more in favor with modern era fans. You guys should be hoping these sell well, because it's just a testing ground at this point. If you really want updated figures, don't fail this test.
  8. You know, as I look at some of these posts, I can't help but recall all the people, like my self, who detested the relaunch line back in 2002. It took He-Man, (my least favorite MotU character,) and actually made me like him even less by turning him into a dorky looking peusedo, (what passes for anime in USA,) stylized hunk of junk. But it didn't stop there, because it was swamped the line with kidified marketing and "action features" gadgets that even ruined the basic articulation on characters like Stratos. It has been said a book could be writen about how and why the 2002 line failed, and I wrote that book! @firedevil@ This line is for people like me, old enough to remember what was actually cool about the old line, and designed to fill in all those things we wished we had from those item at the time, but were only shown on the 8-back card art! Beastman actually looks like the art that I always wanted him to look like! I'm sure they will do other versions of these characters, but for now you all can suffer what I, and others like me, suffered when they did the relaunch desaster. @smilepunch@ @loll@ Justice is served. #US1#
  9. Or maybe even more notably the extra $4.00 - $5.00 per item. People aren't exactly making more money these days on the average, and paying even more for an action figure is not on most parents priorities.
  10. Yeah, that was my whole point about ordering online, most of the online stores don't even recognize that the assortment has been changed yet. It was originally said to be 2 - 4 figure waves or sets, but that's obveously not the "case". (pun intended.) @loll@ BBTS put up the other case of 3 figure to match the first case of 5. So now the case assortments are 1st case: 2x Wendigo 2x Skaar, Son of HULK 2x End HULK 1x King HULK 1x She HULK 2nd case assortment is: 2x Absorbing Man 2x Doc Samson 2x Grey HULK, "also known as Dale Keown HULK" 1x King HULK 1x Wendigo This boils down to She-HULK being short packed and 1 extra Wendigo figure, so if I were to buy both cases, it would give me nearly 2 complete Fing Fang Foom sets, minus the She-HULK & parts. Price wise, it makes them about $15.00 a piece by the case, but if I were to only order them by the sets, it would cost $20.00 a pop. That means if I were to only get single figures of them online, it would cost me $160.00 + for just 1 FFF set! I have 0 chance of finding the whole set at mass market retail, so this is nearly my only option. @hmmm@
  11. After seeing the improoved prototypes and accessories like the Isz set, I decided to order their whole set with Mr. Gone, which I wouldn't have done based on the first prototypes shown at the Toy Fair. I think a lot of people need to drop the Shocker hate thing and move on.
  12. I don't know about the 3.75" line or TOYS 'R' US, but I got my Wink figure at Hot Topic about a week ago. Wink is an awesome item, one of the best values for this year! At 9 1/2" he was really crammed in the clam-shell, couldn't even pack him with his head up! Although I still like Sammael better, Wink has some great features, especially the ball & Chain fist weapon, which can be interchanged with the open hand. He's also solid plastic, not rotocast like some of Mezco's bigger items, so he's really heavy! Since the head design isn't accurate to the way he looks in the movie, Mezco gave us the option of getting the right head with a mail in form and the UPC bar code!
  13. This whole release has been weird, because I've been having a heck of a time trying to find a good place to pre-order these online, and most online retailers haven't been able to offer any solid listings. ToyRocket has had them up as "Back order" for an age, and some of the other out fits offer a kinda "We don't know what we're getting for sure or when we're getting them, but you can place an order anyway." tactic. The BigBadToyStore just listed a case of 8 up for pre-order at $119.99, and the case only has 2x Wendego, 2x End HULK, 2x Scarr, 1x She HULK, 1x King HULK. So they still don't even have the other figures to offer while the whole set seems to be popping up at retail. @grumpy@
  14. They look pretty good to me! I want this line more than any other out this year! Glad to see Hasbro is finally getting better sculpts on their Marvel Legends, even if they still have problems with the paint apps.
  15. I know there isn't a lot of fans of Attack of the Living Dead figures, but this is a heads up for any that might be here. The GLOW-IN-THE-DARK versions have finally arrived, and they are limited to only 100 sets! hey are also available to the genral public, so you don't have to join the club or be a member to get them, but the price is not for the meek or faint of heart, $60.00 + S/H. Here's some links to the best pics I could find, because I can't take that good a pics of things like this. http://board.mezco.net/showthread.php?t=13130 http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.p...ght=Radioactive
  16. From what I've heard, Wal-Mart won't be carring the first set until thay see how the sales do for the line at other retailers. That probably knocks out about 1/4 of the sales for this set right off the bat, so people better buy them where they can to improove vendor support.
  17. I've been pretty much staying out of any Marvel topic since Hasbro took over the line, because it's pretty pointless for me to even attempt to describe the level of dissapointment and agravation I feel about these toys, especailly to people who can't seem to see anything wrong with them. Wether it's because of the blinding devotion to Marvel related characters, the lack of basic awareness of what toy makers are actually capable of producing, or the possible fact that these opinions belong to kids who are just too young to know any better, they don't see what I see. I've been collecting action figures for over 20 years, and I've got everything from high end collectable figures from Japan that cost me over $100.00 a pop, to super cheap & junky things like TMNT items, and I can honestly say these look horrible. HULK is probably my favorite Marvel character, and while I have bought a lot of dissapointing HULK figures from ToyBiz, they actually look pretty good compaired to this. The only good thing I can say about them is the character selection covers some of my most wanted HULK related characters, kind of like the new Fantastic Four ML set, but also like the FF set, these will look like total junk when the actual products hit the pegs, because Hasbro will ruin what few, if any, good qualities these pics show off. As has already been pointed out, those are hand painted prototypes, so the non glossy paint looks more like real skin, which we know will not be the case on the actual figures unless something pretty drastic motovates Hasbro to change their tactics. Hasbro will produce some heavily photo-shopped pictures that people will go ga-ga over some time next year, and then they'll show off some more doctored-up figs at Toy Fair, or some such show, that will be "well recieved", so when the actual products come out we'll have more cheap looking kiddy toys to show for it. @grumpy@ Yeah the sculpters who do these probably also sculpt the products for Marvel Toys, and both Hasbro and Marvel Toys are working for Marvel, so they even share the same molds for a lot of figures, like the recent Ann O'brian has the exact same hands as She-HULK, but the Devil is in the detail. Hasbro ML loose the detail in the translation from the original sculpt, and may even deliberately downgrade to make the molding process easier, so the Hasbro figures look like slightly melted candle wax! Remember what the original Blob prototype looked like? Now imagine that kind of a detail downgrade on these already pretty bland looking HULK figures. So now people just expect the final product to never look as good as the prototype, which I think is a more realistic point of view, but the idea of HULK figs that actually look worse than these cartoony looking jokes is not a good selling point to me. In the mean time Marvel Toys managed to deliver a PITT that was so near as good as the prototype, that the only thing I could even find they missed on the actual product was the paint apps on his nails/claws and the snap on his vest! People keep complaining about how bad the Witchblade figure was, well now try making that comparison with the new Ann o'brian from the second set! Ann has the She-HULK beat on all articulation for range of movement, count, and design. (Not to mention looks!) This Valkerie figure looks like the kind of female figures we got ten years ago. @loll@ As a HULK enthusiest I have to say, buying these would be a worse insult to the character than the worst ToyBiz items were, and that's pretty darn bad. As for the people who actually like them, I think they would buy snow cones if they lived in the North Pole! @smilepunch@
  18. Sold out already. Man, I hope I don't have problems finding them later, or I'm gonna kick my self for not ordering Clayface yesterday. @grumpy@ I'm really not crazy about paying $30.00+ for a $10.00 toy just to find it on a peg later on, but then Doomsday was the only one I never found on the peg.
  19. While a lot of people don't see any purpose in bashing one company and supporting another, because it get so personal, you might consider the idea that taking a stand might actually improove the quality of the products made by all companies. You can say what you want about some of these looking bad, but some of the stuff Hasbro is making looks just as bad or worse, and people still buy them because they are addicted to Marvel related characters. What kind of statement does that make to Hasbro? Here's how I read it. "As long as I get Iron-Man, HULK, THOR, Spiderman, Wolverine, ect, I will buy whatever they make." Which is exactly what a big license mongering company like Hasbro wants to hear, and exactly why they got the Marvel license. If Marvel Toys can make even a moderate success out of this line, with all it obscure, less-than-Marvel-popular characters to work with, and cuts into Hasbro's over-all profits even 1/5 or a quarter, it just might force Hasbro to either take notice and do a better job, or at least drop the figure license as unprofitable for some one else to give it a try, but either way the product might evolve and/or benifit from such actions. This isn't just about one line from one company, it's about the industry as a whole, and you need to start looking at the bigger picture if you want to get better toys of your favorite characters. This is why I say that even if you are not familliar with the character, if you are even the least bit impressed with the way a figure looks, put your dang money down on it and make a statment for toy quality and not just for company propaganda.
  20. Maybe they don't want her doing things like this; There are some draw backs to having articulated fingers, like having freedom of expression! @smilepunch@ #US1#
  21. Have I seen 'em? Na, not really. Neither has Overtkill, but I think he's about to see one! @hmmm@ @loll@
  22. Hmm, let's see, on one hand we have Hasbro ML which have less articulation, paint apps, and sucky little BAFs that they pack in 8 figure sets that cost $90.00 to collect, and on the other hand we have DCSH from MATTEL, which often look better, but are less articulated and are plagued with tons of repaints and rehashes of the same characters over and over, with maybe some future BAFs that will be regular sized figures. @loll@ Yeah, them LCBH are just horrible! I know who I'm going to Hang out with! @firedevil@
  23. For thos of you who are not aware of it, a small release of series one hit select Wal-Marts in Denver Colorado last week, so there has been some pretty neat pics up of them. Here are some links to other forums & websites that have some nice pics! http://lcbh.marvellegends.net/ At the bottom of this Forum page is a pic of the BAF PITT character side by side with a ML Icons 12" HULK to show off his sheer size! Remember, it only takes 6 figures to put him together, instead of the 8 for Hasbro Blob. @loll@ http://www.fwooshnet.com/forum/viewtopic.p...c&start=120 There's some nice packaged pics of the rest of the set at this forum; http://www.fantasticexclusive.com/fforum/t...amp;whichpage=3 They have a few odd issues that could be better, like Wichblade's mid-section is too tiny, and Dredd's paint apps came out more orang/yellow than gold, but the PITT has two joints in each finger, removable chains, and both a black and red paint wash to show off his viens detail! Take that Hasbro! @smilepunch@ @firedevil@
  24. I haven't gotten the chance to vote, but as a collector of good action figures for over 20 years, I can honestly say I would rather see the Marvel property license fall in just about any other toy companies hands, except maybe Sizzle. @loll@ Anyone familliar with McFarlane Toys? Quite simply put, they got started because Hasbro was so bad at paint apps, sculpt detail, and at that time articulation placement, that Todd McFarlane chose to start his own toy company rather than to let them bucher his comic characters. While the artist spirit may have left Mcfarlane Toys now, it was primarilly responsable for making figure collecting comunity we have now, made up of people who were able to recognize the difference between a good, quality action figure collectable, and a generic kids toy for the mass market. So what happened to those people who knew and recognized the difference? Simple, they quit buying the stuff that got bad and moved on, which is what I'm going to do now. The question is, who the heck are you people and why do you have such low standards in you collecting habbits? Why are waxxy, shiny, poorly painted, figures with blurry sculpt definition from baddly translated molds acceptable? Do you hate Marvel characters? Do you like showing off to your friends how many cheap looking kids toys you own? Do you have no sense of shame? Do you enjoy insulting your self and your favorite comic characters by buying these sad looking things? Realistic skin texture, glossy paint for eyes and things that need it, flat paint or plastic for everything that doesn't. More than five colors per figure. Articulation that exceeds expectations. Accessories appropreately designed for the character. Sculpted detail that you could spend hours oogling over, and a dark paint wash to bring it out. These were all features that collectors expected from thier toys in surplus, and I thought they were part of what put ML on the map in the first place, because ToyBiz was trying to achieve that level, even if they did falter a lot. Hasbro isn't even interested in trying to get that far, because all those things cost more money per figure unit than they want to spend. They just want to make money, they don't want to put more money into the figures! Even if they kill the line, it wouldn't be much of a loss to a company who has StarWars, Transformers, and G.I.Joe in thier pocket, and yeah, wether they make ML figures or not, the Marvel license is also in their pocket now to sit on and make sure no one else can use. It was the simple elimination of competition. As for the So-Called "improovements" over ToyBiz, depending on wether you want to count their last 4 ML sets, I have yet to see much of any of them materialize yet. I guess that depends on where you live, because I've only seen the Ultimate Ironman once, for all the peg warming, dust collecting figures from series 1 at 3 Targets, 2 Wal-Marts, 2 TOYS 'R' US, and 1 comic shop, I got only 1 chance to build the BAF. Character selection? I enjoyed a lot larger range of character when ToyBiz was doing them than whats coming out now, it's like left-overs to me, and we're still getting the same "main" characters redone in every wave. I own nearly every figure from ML series 4 on up, not to mention tons of figures from before ML even got started, and in all these years only my Ultimate Lizard had a leg break off. On the other hand, just since I started getting Hasbro Marvel items last year, I've had 3 figures break! My Ultimate Ironman fell over on the table and chipped off a big hunk of his shiny armor, my Vengeance figure from the GR line had a floppy elbow joint from the moment I took it out of the package, which broke off before I had moved it 3 times, and my Iron Spiderman had one of his claw things pop off as soon as it was out of the package and I tried to move it. ToyBiz plastics were only soft toward the end of their run with the last 3 or 4 ML sets, and not all of them at that. Even so, I fail to see how Hard, Brittle plastic that cracks and breaks is superior to softer plastic that may tear if it gets stuck. True, Hard plastic is better than soft if you want a figure that is going to hold a pose for very long, and the construction of some of the ToyBiz items was not the best at times, which lead to breakage for a lot of people, but the superior plastic quality is just a selling slogan that Hasbro likes to spout off to increase sales, with no more backing than it's mere claim. The only real claim that Hasbro can actually back is that their safety standards meet more requirments than the old ToyBiz stuff, but in this case it mostly means the paint and material isn't toxic, so unless you plan to do a lot of sticking them in your mouth, that shouldn't matter much. Strictly a matter of opinion, because while don't have many MOC or MIP items in my collection, the old clamshells were more collector & storage friendly, not as vaulnerable to water damage, not as big a waste of paper, and not so bloody lop sided! Articulation doesn't cause breakage. Poor construction causes breakage, which is exactly what caused all the breakage on my Hasbro items. For the record, the very first toy I ever had that broke was a Hasbro G.I.Joe, the thumb holding the gun broke off. We're moving up on the third set, so it's not "early" anymore, we're past early and aproaching late afternoon! Why would they improove the paint apps? What would they gain at this point in the game? That would cost more money. Do you really think they would want to spend more money on them as long as people are willing to buy them the way they are now? And that question applies to all the other features as well. Hasbro is not out to do you some kind of a favor, they are not concerned with what you think about the toys, they are only concerned with wether they can sell them the way they want to make them or not, and if not, they'll just call it a loss and move on. That's how big business works.
  25. Sorry, but I don't follow you at all. I disagree that Toybiz is the most innovative toymaker, I think other manufacturers can lay claim to that title. Marvel Legends was just ONE brand of several they had, and I think in terms of innovation, compnaies like Hasbro and Mattel actually hedge them out by quite a bit. All of the characters in the LCBH line are pre-existing, in that none of them were created solely for this line. A few have even been toys before, and some have a history that goes back several decades. There's nothing about this line that is a "in-house" brand--all the characters come from an external source. A few of these characters come from what are technically "failed" properties, in that they are not being published in comicbook form, and haven't been for a while. Toybiz has produced some very good product, and this new line looks very good too, but they are not the be-all and end-all some folks like to think they are. Well this part of the thread is all a little off topic since we were discussing the concept of Marvel Toys making an "In-House" line not supported by some other media form, (which nobody was claiming the LCBH to be,) and if anyone would support it as such, so I guess ditko is getting a bit worried about wether we are still going to support the LCBH line or not. Although this is rare, I do have to agree with ditko on a few points here, and that being that ToyBiz was actually pretty inovative, even if the licenses they got famous for overshadowed that a bit. Why was ToyBiz inovative? Because through trial and error, they managed to figure out what combinations of product elements collectors actually wanted. That's a pretty big step when you consider McFarlane Toys won't give us any usefull articulation and companies like Hasbro won't give us anything but kids stuff. Even though the BAF idea isn't new by any stretch of the imagination, most other companies didn't do it becuase they saw it as an unnecesary effort and a possibly unproffitable venture. ToyBiz made some pretty junky looking items over the years, but they also made some jewls that have yet to be rivaled by even some of the best toy makers in the industry. Dragonman may be way out of scale with any 6" line, but he boasts every bit as much sculpted detail as the new Elephant Swordsman figure now being shown by the Four Horsemen, who are renown for their attention to detail, while Dragonman was a $7.99 mass-market item! Some of the LotR items ToyBiz did when they had the license had better facial likenesses than some of the products coming from both McFarlane and NECA at that piont in time! (Plus, they were actually "toys".) What other toy maker was willing to give us collector friendly clam-shell packaging, a full-sized actuall comic book, accessories, BAF part, and a fairly comic accurate figure of even obscure characters with 30+ POA, all for only $8.99 at any point in time? Some of that may have been thier own undoing, but it still stands as a high water mark in the industry, one that I doubt if we'll see broken any time soon. The problem is that these feats were combined with a super hot license property, which makes it impossible to determine just how much of the lines success was due to the product or the propertie's popularity. There are a large number of people who will buy anything 'MARVEL', no matter what kind of garbage it may be, and that obscures their efforts a great deal. LCBH will be a testing ground to find out just how much stock people really put in the quality of the products, and how much of a lines success depends on the license, because these properties are mostly inactive and purely driven by a minority group. For those who are not chained to the corporate money making machine, LCBH line just might be one of the last great ventures into the closest thing we can get to "originality", because all the other toy companies have pretty much fallen into line with the flow of the money making formula, which is "Get the HOTTEST LICENSE NOW!". The Four Horsemen are the only toy makers that I can think of that are making one whole good action figure a year from a totaly "In-House" concept, ( aside from McFarlane's Dragons line that is, in which the term "action" figure is somewhat questionable.) Oh Yeah, and there's Bionicles! Some of the LCBH characters are so obscure that even companies who made a reputation for them selves by catering to less popular properties, refused to even try them, so this may be the first and possibly last time we will ever get a PITT, Monkeyman & O'brian, or even BodyBags characters as such super cool action figures. If that isn't an end all/be all subject, what is? Back on topic, an "In-House" line would hardly be any more obscure than the LCBH line, depending on how it's marketed, so if LCBH tanks, I would say there is even less of a chance that a original line could survive in today's figure market. Action figures are not the only media type to suffer from no support for new & original material. I was just reading an article about Okami which is one of my all time favorite video games, which despite over the top reviews and acclaim by those who did get it, had such poor sales that the producer, (CLOVER Studios) was totaly dropped by CAPCOM. In a nutshell, the game was better and far more inovative than 98% of the stuff that gets shouved out every year, but that didn't count for squat, because the vast majority of gamers would rather buy a sequal or property related game they are already familiar with, than to take a chance on something that's a little different and unknown. This is pretty much the exact reaction I see from most MARVEL and DC fans about the LCBH line, so you can imagine how they would react to a line that didn't even have a tie-in property. @grumpy@
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