Viper Hunter

That's cool as hell! Is the head cast still available at Hunterartworks? A Harry Callahan would be a nice addition to the Joe ranks. I'd work him in somehow. Nice job!

They truly think they're saving Muslims from US by acting this way. Even though (in over 9 years) no such massive outlash against Muslim-Americans has even occured on any large enough scale to comment on, to even slightly suggest they're in any grave danger from us intolerant, prideful, hick, Conservative, Americans....they act like it's all right there, ready to explode.

Can't a Mod delete their OWN topic though, even if it's in the P&R forum?

The point was that NPR isn't obliged to put up with Williams' "human flinching"--and Williams KNOWS that expressing those kinds of thoughts can lead to problems. No-one isn't going to say he cannot FEEL that kind of apprehension, his mistake was in expressing those feelings will under contract as a representative of NPR. Does NPR have an empirically beneficent view of Muslims?? I doubt it as much as I doubt Williams has a equal valid view of them in the same breath--neither could have enough information to honestly say. So both parties resort to assumptions--and I said as much before--but NPR is not obliged to withstand Williams' POV in this. Sure they can be dead wrong and Williams can be spot on-and that isn't terribly relevant here. This isn't about WHAT he said, but the fact that he said it. I agree about NPR having every right to consider Juan Williams a detriment to what they're advocating and putting out there as a product, but it was mentioned earlier that he was paid the "kings schilling" for his OPINIONS and when it comes to politics and the programs that thrive off debating and arguing it....it's kinda back and forth and all over the place. Most programs at least TRY to present both sides and give lots of leeway for less than far right or far left POV's and to those hangin out in the middle somewhere. Not so, I guess, for NPR? What NPR has done here, is taking something so very STUPID (admitting that boarding an airplane with people that look like Muslims sometimes cause him some concern and paranoid thoughts) and USED it to beat us over the head with the left leaning political correctness BS that Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg tried to pull on The View, and making it sound as though after all these YEARS (just over 9) that Americans are just NOW going to take extreme actions against Muslim-Americans unless they throw a wet blanket on all of us for blaming ALL Muslims for 9/11?? OH THANK GOD for these assclowns, or else we'd be taking out ALL Muslims one right after the other. THANK GOD for the wisdom of these SLPJ's to be so assertive in correcting us of the notion that ALL Muslims are evil and radical jihadist, that people like Bill O'Reilly and Juan Williams are suggesting when they make statements like "Muslims killed us on 9/11" and "Muslims make me nervous when I get on a plane with them". This is what I'm so thoroughly sick and tired of, out of the left brained dolts in this country, that place themselves so hIGH above the rest of us, when it comes to having the good, common and decent SENSE enough to figure it out for ourselves, and without THEM, we'd just be the violent and intolerant douchebags that they work so hard to convince us that Muslims are NOT.

Ken...you've been FIRED!! Well, at least censored of your thoughts, that went against the grain of the people in POWER to fire you, or censor you. Given the POWER...we all seem capable of dishing out our own brand of "censorship". The irony (hypocrisy) is pretty thick here isn't it?

I guess WJ decided to delete his entire topic because the discussions weren't going his way (you need to get over that man) but ARROW responded with some interesting comments of interest and I took some time to respond to them myself, and since Ken and I are able to disagree and still be civil and friendly towards each other, here it is... I think it's a bit naive to pass of radical Islamics and the terrorism that MUSLIMS have spread about the world, as being a "narrow segment of them". This is the very kind of political correctness that has dumbed down our entire nation and made us not only a target, but the laughing stock of the world, because we've lost our spine to it. I made a perfectly good series of analogies that speak to the nature of this topic and how we all (AS HUMANS) are entitled to feel a bit nervous around groups of people that are known to have beliefs and or opinions that are negative and even hostile to our own. I brought up the James Byrd incident and concluded that given the heinous and violent nature of what 3 (only 3) WHITE men did to him, that if another Black man was to find himself in a similar situation, walking down a dirt road minding his own business, and a pick-up truck cruises by with 3 or more WHITE men in it, I would not be surprised if that Black man had a moment of panic or concern for himself, and RIGHTFULLY so, without judging him a bigot against ALL White people. You can't claim to not have defensive and uneasy thoughts or moments about being in the company of people, that have a large population of them, doing great harm to a lot of innocent people.? Juan Williams spoke on this very issue HONESTLY and was only trying to relate to the mentality of other Americans that share a similar thought when they see MUSLIMS boarding a plane they're about to travel on. Muslims hijacked those planes on 9/11 and Muslims are still trying to pull off attacks against us in the country still to this day. Hardly worth calling people bigots over this kind of honest reaction and THOUGHTS to such a scenario, let alone firing them from a job. For Juan to say, "hey, I have those kinds of thoughts myself" BUT use it to relate to a large percentage of people in the world, while still proclaiming that it's not REALLY meant to judge ALL Muslims, and make it clear that we really DON'T judge ALL Muslims as "terrorist" but we know that in the world today, it is MUSLIMS that are committing some really awful things against other people of other faiths, and we are entitled to be suspicious, when we're in a vulnerable position, and if getting on a PLANE with Muslims, like what hundreds of people on 9/11 did, unknowing of their fate, is a not VULNERABLE position...I don't know what is. WE still make the flight, deal with our insecurity and fears about seeing people that look like the people that hijacked 4 planes on 9/11 did, and get over it and life goes on as does the plane ride, because we're really more rational peoples, than liberals give us credit for. Liberals don't give us any credit on that part of the equation (having a fleeting thought but reasoning it out with logic) and only want to focus on the part that makes us "bigoted" in their POV. A bunch of Black Panthers show up at a KKK rally. Is it so unreasonable that people in the crowd, on one side or the other, might think for a moment "UH-OH"? Why does that thought have to equal discrimination, stereotyping, or bigotry? If ALL BP's and ALL KKK members were violent and hostile against other they don't like, they wouldn't even be able to assemble in the first place. That being said, enough of their members have in FACT done some pretty horrible things in the past, so it's on THEM that we might flinch a little in their presence. I don't "flinch" because I've just ALWAYS hated ALL Muslims. I flinch, because all my life, I've seen great atrocities committed in the world against Americans by Muslims. I don't think ALL Muslims are like this, but it only takes ONE to royally f@#k up our day, and if I'm getting on an airplane with just ONE.....please allow me that flinch without judging me harshly and unfairly. I'm human and so is Juan Williams. He related to honest emotions, while at the same time, re-enforcing the reality that while Muslims did kill us on 9/11, that is not to say that we think ALL Muslims are crazy hijacking terrorists, and he (like most Liberals) still seems to think it's on our shoulders to make sure that the Muslim-American community doesn't feel nervous and "finch" around us. oye!! I don't care that NPR fired Juan and I also don't think there's a lawsuit pending over it, but I do think NPR is STUPID for firing Juan, and for reasons even more stupid. They have a RIGHT to fire anyone they want, but the reasons are entirely lame.

Any scientific, expert analysis, on the reasons why the Towers fell on 9/11, will be dismissed by these people as part of the cover-up. Any opinion, on how it IS a cover-up, and massive conspiracy, given by folks like Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell, will be treated with more respect and credibility.

DENY DENY DENY! What did I tell ya folks? We're ALL a part of the cover-up, we've been contacted by the powers behind this MASSIVE conspiracy and have all sworn an oathe to promote the myths and debunk the efforts to uncover the TRUTH....so help us Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/God! My life is so perfectly splendid for having agreed to be a part of this cover-up, I cannot express ENOUGH the great joys it has brought me to be a part of it. Let me provide some more of the propaganda material the secret underground 9/11 conspirators have given to me for just such events.... http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf

Honestly (and you think long and hard about this) what could any of us possibly provide, for you to stop thinking that 9/11 was an "inside job"? I mean really? The information is out there, so there's nothing NEW to add to htis debate, that hasn't already been addressed and expertly covered and explained. We could provide countless bits of info and links to various sights to explain our positions that this is HOW it all happened, and all you have to do is keep saying "no it's NOT!" What's the point and why should I go down than dirty dark alley with you?