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The Zack Snyder Cut Of Justice League Was Awesome, But Is It Too Little Too Late?


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12 hours ago, yojoebro82 said:

Being a father of two little girls, the wife and I are on our third night of watching this extravaganza.  Yep, we need to break it up into that many chunks because we don't get 4 hours to ourselves.

Oh? Why can't you watch WITH your kids? Could it be because its not fit for younger viewers? A SUPERMAN movie that kids can't watch? That doesn't bother you at all?

I stand by my original assertion. 

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WB biggest problem when it comes to DC is they have no real plan in place. They just kind throw things against the wall and wait to see what sticks, and the second they think it might not stick they are moving on to something different. So they end up being all over the place.

I personally really don't think the Snyder Cut happening had anything to do with fan campaigns or such. I think WB wanted something that would draw people to HBO Max. A movie that already had been in theaters but with a twist was the perfect thing. It was something that would create tremendous media and fan buzz and allow them to say hey we gave you what you want. At the same time it wouldn't really anger movie theaters since it had already been in theaters, keeping in mind at the time when they initially gave this thing the go they had no idea the impact COVID was going to have on movie theaters or that they would end up releasing so many of their big blockbuster movies straight to HBO Max anyway. My guess they thought this Snyder Cut wouldn't be received any better than the previous movies when initially released in theaters so then they would have cover to say we are done now.

Of course ironically the worst thing has happened instead, many people loved it and now are going to demand more. What I don't really get is why they allowed Snyder to make this movie so blatantly open ended. They could have done this movie without the epilogue chapter, and while that wouldn't totally wrap things up, it wouldn't SCREAM hey there is a lot more of this story to be told.

Despite what this Ann Sarnoff said in that variety interview, I am not convinced WB is as ready to move on as she indicates. I do think there are a number of obstacles in place that would prevent them from moving forward. First they got to get Snyder on board, which there are reports now circulating that both HBOMax and Netflix are fighting to lock Snyder into an exclusive contract.

Assuming they are able to keep Netflix from grabbing up Snyder, then you have all the issues with the actors, mainly the claims of the abuse Ray Fisher has made against WB, which WB even as of this interview basically refuse to acknowledge as being legit. Beyond Fisher who's Cyborg character after the Snyder Cut has seemingly become a more interracial part of the story, in my mind there is much doubt they could also get Cavill and Afleck back. The Robert Pattinson Batman movie is def happening. Now you could treat that similar to the Joker movie and have it be it's completely own thing, but for the general public the more you do that the more confused they will get. The general movie going public isn't going to realize the Pattinson Batman has nothing to do with the Affleck Batman. There also reports that Superman was getting rebooted, now granted that might not be far enough along that if they wanted to they couldn't put that on hold, but it shows WB doesn't really have any kind of set plan in place with any of this.

 

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I personally really don't think the Snyder Cut happening had anything to do with fan campaigns or such. I think WB wanted something that would draw people to HBO Max.

The fan campaign had everything to do with it, and WB also had nothing to do with it. None of this would have happened if AT&T hadn't merged with WB. The execs at WB absolutely hate Snyder's movies and they never had any plans to allow the Snyder Cut to be completed (although there has always been a cut that was shorter than 4 hrs but longer than the theatrical cut....this is the one that Mamoa and others referenced when they said they had seen it and Snyder has said it was a completed edit with Junkie XL's music at that time in place). As soon as the merger happened, the Snyder Cut was greenlit when they knew it would be perfect for HBO Max content. WB absolutely did not want it...period and fought it, but AT&T and HBO Max have all the power right now, so the Snyder Cut, fans, and Snyder himself won in the end. I hated the theatrical version, but I love the hell out of this one.

There's some company out there that says they have methods that can tell them how many people watched it and they're saying 1.8 million views within the date range they used which I'm guessing is the premiere weekend. WW1984 had 2.2 million views in it's opening weekend. Of course, that doesn't tell us how many subscriptions happened, and it can't tell us how many people who started one haven't watched it, yet.

There are tons of people who don't like the other Snyder films and/or JL theatrical who do like or love this one (Red Letter Media and Dan Murrell are two good examples on Youtube), and there are tons of reactions from people saying they thought it would be crap or not that great and were pleasantly surprised to blown away. And then there's people like Andy Signore whom made himself look foolish with his likes it doesn't like it wishy washy reaction. He's biased and has major baggage going in, so I don't care what that idiot thinks at the end of the day.

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4 hours ago, mako said:

Oh? Why can't you watch WITH your kids? Could it be because its not fit for younger viewers? A SUPERMAN movie that kids can't watch? That doesn't bother you at all?

 

Not really.  There is tons of content involving these characters that ARE tailored toward kids, they aren't missing out.  My oldest has a big hardcover book of Batman short stories that she has us read to her on occasion.  For bedtime stories I typically tell a story about Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman rescuing kitties from trees and whatnot.  If I want to share these characters with my girls, I and any other adult has tons of options in print and on screen.  

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