Mandalorian Actress Gina Carano Fired By Lucasfilm

[Bespin refugee]

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Lucasfilm has released a statement; " "Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future,...Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."
 

[FASVB]

This is absurd. Especially because she didn't do anything. Not watching Mando anymore. She was one of the pillars of the show. This cancel culture has to stop.

[JayC]

42 minutes ago, DrLava said:

uh, yeah... and let me stop you before you also post something you shouldnt. this definitely happened, the screenshots are literally everywhere. you can stay in denial if you'd like, but in reality there was no supposition, she posted it. you dont even need to take my word for it, just hit up google, since clearly clicking a link and reading for 10 seconds is too much effort for you.

There is know denying the comment she made but one could debate if it was actually antisemitic or not. We however are not going to debate that here, and regardless of what any one of us think about the comment, her employer obviously was not happy with it and discontinued her employment with them for it and other previous comments she made. For that there is no debate, and for anyone not happy with Disney's decision of firing her. While they were perfectly within their right to fire her, your right is you can choose to no longer watch the show or even unsubscribe to Disney+.

[mako]

5 hours ago, FASVB said:

This is absurd. Especially because she didn't do anything. Not watching Mando anymore. She was one of the pillars of the show. This cancel culture has to stop.

My sentiments exactly. Every day, in every way, the world seems to go a little more nuts.

Congratulations to Gina though. This is America, neither she nor anyone else should have to work for a company where you're not allowed to speak your mind.

[ghostbogey]

Well...

One less show for me to watch.....

Thank You Gina!!!! =^)

 

[kILLMonger]

2021...really funny that people will give the company who took action more grief than the person who said something they shouldn't have.

Freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of what is said.

Gina has been under heat for pretty much all of 2020.  And she wanted to play with fire and keep posting sideways bs.  People tried to talk to her.  Disney sat her down and let her know the score.

All she had to do was be quiet.  Not change her opinions/beliefs...just be quiet.

She couldn't even do that.  And people here want to act like she's the victim.

And everyone that's high-fiving her, are the same people that was being sideways here on other topics. 

That's not a coincidence. And it's why we can't have nice things

I liked Cara Dune.  Gina portrayed her well. But on the positive note, she can tweet all the garbage she wants now...because she doesn't have any lines to memorize and has plenty of free time on her hands.

Bye Felicia... 

[kILLMonger]

6 hours ago, mako said:

My sentiments exactly. Every day, in every way, the world seems to go a little more nuts.

Congratulations to Gina though. This is America, neither she nor anyone else should have to work for a company where you're not allowed to speak your mind.

For the record, she didn't quit...she got fired...for speaking her mind.  So she's out of work, because she couldn't find something else to do with her thoughts and shared that stupidity with the world.

Even more laughable is she then tried to delete it.  But the internet is gangsta and people screenshotted it.

So it will always be out there. 

So who REALLY got egg of their face lol?

But if it takes incels away from the fandom because they want to stand with Gina and  they cancel their Disney+ , sell all their SW stuff, and move on....good riddance.

But man, there are waaayyyy better hills to die on.

[JayC]

Just to summarize my final thoughts on the Cara Dunn situation (PLEASE READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH BEFORE COMMENTING).  Also I will keep this thread open and allow debate to continue as long as it remains civil. The moment it goes off the rails the thread will be locked. So consider this the only warning.

Some are seemingly thinking she was fired for one specific comment she posted on social media. I don’t think she was fired for any ONE specific comment, I think Disney cut her loose because she had developed a pattern going back to November of saying things on social media that knowingly would be deemed by many as inflammatory.  I can’t speak to her reasoning or motivations for doing that, and I don’t think any of us here can. I can say from my own personal experiences that I have more than once come across people online who appear to like to post things with the sole purpose of pissing people off, and if you have someone working for you who becomes a representative for your company or brand (and make no mistake that is what Gina Carano was to Disney, a representative to one of their most valuable brands in Star Wars) I think you can understand why they would no longer want to be associated with that person.  If I had someone working for me on TNI who was saying things constantly pissing off my readers and driving them away from my sites I would let them go in a heartbeat, and I think anyone being honest in a similar type situation would do the same.

Some Keep trying to make this a “Freedom of Speech” issue. In my view It is not. Freedom of Speech gives you certain protections from legal prosecution to a certain degree, but it doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want in public without the possibility of facing repercussions. No one is sending Carano to jail for her comments, but expecting anyone can say anything they want in a public forum, especially someone who has been given a powerful megaphone like we tend to give with celebrities in our society is crazy. “Freedom of Speech” very much is a right in this country, but like any right it can and sometimes is abused.

As a totally separate issue, If you want to argue that perhaps we as a society shouldn’t be giving these celebrities such powerful megaphones, I might agree with you there. But I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

As for the final comment that is being reported for being the one that got her fired, which is the following:

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views,”

No I don’t think this was a anti-Semitic statement. The definition of anti-Semitic is “hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.”

There was nothing in her comment that fits that definition. The point she was seemingly trying to make is that Nazi’s used brainwashing propaganda techniques to brainwash everyday German citizens during WWII to hate Jews. The Nazi’s did this so that they could then do the horrible things to Jewish people without facing repercussions from the German people for it. That in its own right is a pretty historical factual statement.

She then however tried to make a comparison to what happened during WWII  and say people in this country today are using similar brainwashing techniques in order turn people again one another and divide us as a country. Now I am not going to sit here and say to a certain extent that isn’t happening, however I would argue that these techniques being used today to divide us, are being used on both sides of the political spectrum. Carano is a known conservative, so I think most assume she was referring to only liberals using these techniques, which if that is the case then I would call BS. If you want to call out that kind of crap, then make sure you are willing to point it out on both sides, not just the side that fits your own political narrative and views.  In fact I would argue that if that kind of thing really pisses you off, and your known for having certain kinds of political views, its more effective if your willing to call it out when your own side does it than always trying to call it out on the other side.

Anyway, as for  WHY Carano’s comment might be deemed upsetting to some people. If you are Jewish and/or have family members or friends who grew up during WWII who were persecuted and tortured by Nazi’s, or lost their lives to Nazi’s. I think you can pretty easily see how trying to compare that to what we see today as being offensive and hurtful. Yes there is a lot of BS that goes on today with our politicians and media, but its no where near the level of what Nazi’s did to Jewish people. While there might be some merits to the points Carano was trying to make with how some people in this country are trying to turn us against one another, there were sure as hell a lot better ways of going about making those points than what she did.

Finally to the point of “Cancel Culture”. There are those who have said what Carano said was not bad and people should not be upset by it. What I think you mean to say is that the comment doesn’t upset you, which certainly is your right, but why do you think you get to speak for everyone else? “Cancel Culture” generally happens when enough people get upset about something that it causes a backlash. For that to happen, obviously whatever it was that caused the backlash upset enough people that it allowed that backlash to happen. My observations are that when someone gets upset about  “Cancel Culture”, what they are really upset about is that  more people didn’t see it the same way they  did. When something or someone gets “Canceled” that they agree with then they are all for it.

 I’m not going to say that mob mentality doesn’t play a role in “Cancel Culture” to a degree due to some people who will hop on these anger bandwagons without truly bothering to learn all the facts of the situation, or even sometimes  will do so with some kind of ulterior motives. Yes,  It’s unfortunate when that happens. That’s why when you are a public figure, and with social media we can all be public figures, you have to choose your words carefully, and when you don’t there can and often are consequences.

[kILLMonger]

12 minutes ago, DrLava said:

yes, this is america, and youre right nobody has to work anywhere they dont want to.

you are confused about the facts though, she didnt quit her job, she got fired. and i dont know about the company you work for, but everywhere i worked had very strict policies on what you can and cannot say and where stuff could be said. when you represent a company you have to act in their best interests, not your own. like you said, america, when you own a company you can dictate the rules of your employees.

and why are you congratulating her? she just got fired from the best paying job shes ever had and is actually gonna struggle to get work now, due to her own stupidity and youre acting like this was a great career move for her. 

Man we know why they making this chick their hero....

Sadly she has deprived them and even others of the opportunity to have her be an inspiration and example to people.  She was something new...beautiful but also a force to be reckoned with.

She didn't get fired because she was a conservative.  She's not a victim of "cancel culture."  Her own inability to be quiet got her fired.  Her "revelation" that conservatives are somehow the modern day representation of Jews (and posting it for the world to see) got her canned.

While her historical context is correct (about what happened before WWII)...using it as an analogue for a political position that now has 4 years of nastiness and a seditious act under it's belt isn't going to get anything but scorn from people.

And everyone one cheering her  and acting like she's a hero just outed yourselves (but we already knew).

Maybe a case study in free speech vs. responsible speech is in order.  JayC summed it up very nicely in his post above.

Y'all need to catch up.

 

[Belmont13]

Eh, it looked like the character was on her way out the show and into a spinoff anyway so I don't think the show will suffer much from her absence. Now if Pedro Pascal was gone, that would upset me.

[kILLMonger]

1 hour ago, Belmont13 said:

Eh, it looked like the character was on her way out the show and into a spinoff anyway so I don't think the show will suffer much from her absence. Now if Pedro Pascal was gone, that would upset me.

Now we are looking at it as if Cara Dune (as portrayed by Gina) doesn't exist.  Gina could of been set for life.  Maybe they'll recast the character (certainly hope so).  Maybe they'll just move on.   But hey, you'd think people would have learned that riding with the sideways nonsense will get you hemmed up (looks around here)...but I guess not

 

[silverback77346]

Hmmm, wonder what will happen with her action figure? Will the price go up or down? Will they discontinue the figure and make the price go up or down? I don't see people throwing away the figure because of what the actor said or did. The character of Cara Dune is what's important or should be. A lot of Hollywood actors and types are weird as hell in real life and should not be any type of role models at all. I think they will re cast the actor for the part. After all, the show must go on. I will continue to watch despite this unfortunate incident.

[kILLMonger]

Cara Dune merch is gonna take off.  Glad I got my SW Black fig and Funko Pop.  I agree I hope for a recast.  Cara Dune had an awesome backstory and skillset.  I hate to see it all go away.

Gina did that to herself...I don't want Cara to suffer because of it.

 

[memocromatico]

It saddens me that she had to be let go, she had an interesting character and was doing a great job. But you just can't compare those 2 completely different situations and expect no consequences.

I had a similar thought back in 2015 when "he who has been impeached" got elected. He was rallying so much hate toward latin and mexican people that it made me think about how fascism was rallying hate towards jews and gypsies. Not living in the US made me look at Mexico as if it could've been Poland, and it scared me. It scared me for friends and family living in the US, it scared me for the plans and hopes and dreams I had of traveling since going to any country in the world means setting foot on the US, it scared me because immigrants are a minority that faces oppression, harassment and violence everyday. 

I'm grateful this wasn't the case and I was just being exaggerated and paranoid. What I'm saying is, how can someone in power truly feel endangered to holocaustic proportions when the opposition seeks equality? That's what some people are failing to grasp.

A friend and I who are constantly bickering and making jokes have a strict policy of laughing at what is our equal or an authority to us, never at a person or group that is still rallying up in society due to hundreds of years of oppression. We also only make fun of what people choose, not what they are.  Political views are chosen, religion is chosen. Nationality, ethnicity, sexuality aren't. You are not born republican, you are born jew. Besides, I haven't seen any violence towards republicans other than when they provoke it.

[Satam]

59 minutes ago, DrLava said:

i like what you said, and understand what youre trying to say in this sentence too, but i just have to point out that nobody is born jewish. judaism is a religion not an ethnicity. i know some families and countries may make it seem it like youre born into a certain religion, but nobody is. religious choice is about the person and whatever connection they wanna have to whatever higher power they want to believe in or not believe in.

Judaism is a religion, and no one is born following it, but due to centuries of diaspora and isolation, Jews have become a genetically identifiable Semitic ethnicity tracing back to the Levant. So people are born Jewish, and then they choose to either follow Judaism, something else, or nothing.

[memocromatico]

31 minutes ago, Satam said:

Judaism is a religion, and no one is born into it, but due to centuries of diaspora and isolation, Jews have become a genetically identifiable semitic ethnicity tracing back to the Levant. So people are born Jewish, and then they choose to either follow Judaism, something else, or nothing.

Thank you for clarifying my point. This is exactly what I meant, I believe there is a difference between jew (of semite appearance), and jewish (follower of judaism). I may be wrong, but I don't think there is as much discrimination against jewish people as there is against semites, and that's where my point may have been lost.

[memocromatico]

1 hour ago, DrLava said:

i like what you said, and understand what youre trying to say in this sentence too, but i just have to point out that nobody is born jewish. judaism is a religion not an ethnicity. i know some families and countries may make it seem it like youre born into a certain religion, but nobody is. religious choice is about the person and whatever connection they wanna have to whatever higher power they want to believe in or not believe in.

Yes, I agree, as another has clarified already. I believe there is a difference between jew and jewish. A jew is a person of semite ethnicity, and a jewish is a follower of judaism. I may be wrong and that is why my point is not clear. But I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say.

[Satam]

34 minutes ago, memocromatico said:

Thank you for clarifying my point. This is exactly what I meant, I believe there is a difference between jew (of semite appearance), and jewish (follower of judaism). I may be wrong, but I don't think there is as much discrimination against jewish people as there is against semites, and that's where my point may have been lost.

There's been a ton of discrimination against Jewish people, which resulted in the diaspora and isolation I talked about, as well as the Holocaust.  Semantically, Jews can be both followers of Judaism or ethnic Jews. The waters are muddied somewhat, because, I believe aside from the Tutsis in Rwanda and a some other small groups whose names escape me right now, there aren't many ethnicities that are so closely tied to a religion. If it helps you to say "Jews" for the ethnicity and "Jewish" for the religion, go for it, but that's a gross oversimplification.

[Satam]

21 minutes ago, DrLava said:

no one is born a practicing member of an organized religious sect. no one has a passport with jewish citizenship. its a religion. there is no country on the map named Judaism, Jewish, or anything relating to the religion that can make someone have an ethnicity of jewish.

You missed that whole middle part, didn't you? I'm not gonna re-explain it or go deeper into it because you didn't get what I said. Go read some books. Take a class. Or go ahead and google "Ashkenazi Jews" or "Sephardic Jews" and have yourself a deep dive. It could prove enlightening.

[Satam]

19 minutes ago, DrLava said:

perhaps you need to retake the theology "class" you clearly failed. in every religion there are many, many, many various sects that branch off with their own teachings and have their own followers. just because youre descended from a man that followed the teachings of ashkenazi and spoke yiddish, does not make you born jewish. most likely, youre born at least part german or croatian, but not born jewish.

religion is a choice. it seems you missed the part where i said that in some countries and families it may seem like people are born into a religion, but no one is.

and just a tip for the future, youre not better than anyone else here, youre definitely not smarter than anyone else here, and youre clearly smaller than everyone else here. watch how you type boy. when you tell someone to "read some books" while you embarass yourself by claiming you can be a native jewish citizen, its beyond laughable. 

Don't put words in my mouth, don't call me "boy," and don't threaten me.

[Satam]

20 minutes ago, DrLava said:

1st, you typed those words, i just quoted you. 2nd, where's the threat boy? i gave you a helpful tip cause you lack respect and think youre better than everyone else on this forum.

you are attempting to argue that judaism is a nationality. im guessing its cause of when your idol, donald trump, added the anti-semite law to a rights act. and because trump believes judaism is a nationality, you do to. again boy, keep amusing us and embarass yourself further by continuing this debate.

You think you're amused? This $#!+ right here is just plain funny. You could not be more wrong about anything--anything at all--that you've typed in the last hour or so. I'm not a Trump supporter, I never claimed "Jewish citizen" or "Native Jewish Citizen" was a thing, and I'm not the one confusing nationality with ethnicity. Just because it's the same thing in your head doesn't mean it is. And I take "you better watch what you type boy" as a threat.

[kILLMonger]

43 minutes ago, Satam said:

There's been a ton of discrimination against Jewish people, which resulted in the diaspora and isolation I talked about, as well as the Holocaust.  Semantically, Jews can be both followers of Judaism or ethnic Jews. The waters are muddied somewhat, because, I believe aside from the Tutsis in Rwanda and a some other small groups whose names escape me right now, there aren't many ethnicities that are so closely tied to a religion. If it helps you to say "Jews" for the ethnicity and "Jewish" for the religion, go for it, but that's a gross oversimplification.

We also have to take into account the other 11 tribes that were carted off into bondage in the OT.  Arguably there are more Hebrews than we know.  The "Jews" we know of today come from the tribe of Judah (Jew is essentially the first three words of Judah).. but even that is sketchy as many modern day Jews look more European that Middle Eastern/ Black/darker skinned. But its still a culture/religion that anyone can join.

So yes the waters are muddy.  Hebrew are a more defined group.  Jews are a much looser grouping that people consider a "race" but aren't.  They just hold distinct cultural practices based on their faith.  The closest counterparts would be Muslims (since they trace their origins from Ishmael while it's Isaac for Hebrews) but we don't look at Muslims as an ethnicity.

The difficult part is separating where their faith and their cultural practices begin and end 

 

[Satam]

18 minutes ago, DrLava said:

whose making up stuff now boy? after you edit your posts too lol. cant edit it when its already been quoted by another user, we got the original.

i posted:

"watch how you type boy"

what you are making up or you have a reading comprehension issue or a disability perhaps?:

"you better watch what you type boy"

clearly 2 very different sentences.

and no one said you were jewish or claiming to be jewish. what was written:

"when you tell someone to "read some books" while you embarass yourself by claiming you can be a native jewish citizen"

what you apparently read:

"satam is jewish"

please read whats written and then reply to those words and only those words, dont reply to what you want others to say instead.

I would ask you to do exactly the same thing. Please read what's written and then reply to those words and only those words, because you've missed a lot of it and seriously just flat out made up other parts. And I've at least had the courtesy to recognize that I misread a thing that you posted and edited my response in kind.

[Satam]

Seriously, @DrLava, I invite you to go back and reread what I've written and what you've written. I've done the same just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Because you sure did, buddy.

[Satam]

10 minutes ago, DrLava said:

i didnt misread anything. i get what youre trying to say, people claim to be of jewish ethnicity. you can claim to be anything you want, doesnt make it reality.

when you fill out a job application it asks for your ethnicity, its multiple choice. jewish isnt one of the choices. it is illegal to ask someone if they are jewish because its a religion not an ethnicity.

You've been conflating religion, ethnicity, and nationality. You don't get why I'm saying at all. And you conveniently glossed over what I said about a "genetically identifiable ethnicity due to diaspora and isolation." There are studies. Lots of them. Some of them are kind of disturbing, but that part in quotes there is a scientifically provable fact. There are categories for Jewish ethnicities on 23 and Me, Ancestry D&A, etc. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the fact remains that there is a Jewish religion and there is a Jewish ethnicity (technically more than one). I've known Jewish atheists, which seems like an oxymoron to you, but it's not.