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NOTE: Edited for tone.  I'm high-functioning autistic, and I was slightly concerned that my post came off as more hostile than intended.  Nothing could be further from the truth, I'm not mad at all at anyone, I'm actually quite excited about this debate and welcome the challenge. 😀 (Also note: I use caps for EMPHASIS, I'm not "shouting.")
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Oh, here we go. *cracks knuckles*  Knew this was coming the moment I saw that interview last night.
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So, right off the bat: thanks for the "well, actually" routine everybody. 😀  The Batmobile comparison was a quick and dirty example.  I am WELL AWARE it wasn't directly 1:1 applicable, it was acting as a baseline.  But since y'all missed the point, fine, we can go in-depth.  Regardless, I'm not an idiot (QUITE the opposite, thanks much) I don't need tooling explained to me.  I know the costs in toy manufacturing.  And nevertheless, you're still incorrect, and my reasoning IS based in reality (which I will explain, AT LENGTH, below).  And moreover, Brian basically admits it in the video.  (Which, by the way, as noted, I watched last night, minutes after it was posted - probably before y'all did, 'cuz I'm a nocturnal nutjob *LOL* - so you know, already got that covered too, thanks again. *chuckle*)
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Now, preface: I'll admit, I'm not a toy exec or a toy journalist or a YouTuber with a million subscribers, or even that high-profile a fan of any major property.  I'm just a toy collector of over 30 years who (thanks to being such a life-long toy fan) just so happens to have some friends who DO work in toy manufacturing, and who also happens to have some experience in marketing and advertising, and through those factors, I will still confidently say that this price is BS for the following reasons:
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1) Indeed, the Batmobile is a solid piece of plastic.  A shell, four wheels, an opening canopy, there's not much to it.  I have no illusions about that.  Nor do I have any misconceptions that the ThunderTank wouldn't (or shouldn't), by definition, have more parts than that.  It's got tank treads, claws, and an opening back chamber.  Yes, it's more complex.  HOWEVER . . . it absolutely COULD work with simpler tooling and engineering than they went with.  Yay, it has lots of gimmicks and bells and whistles.  It doesn't NEED that much.  Toy companies make sacrifices to detail all the time in an effort to make more affordable products.  That could ABSOLUTELY have been part of the design process and philosophy here.  It didn't have to be QUITE as large, it didn't have to be QUITE as tricked out.  They could have TRIED to make something affordable, and they DELIBERATELY DIDN'T.
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And just to be clear: from a fan and artistic standpoint, I think that's awesome.  I applaud them for having passion for the work and wanting to put out a pinnacle product that is the best they could possibly make.  That's great!  But at the same time . . . it is also exclusionary.  Here's a thing that most of you will not be allowed to have.  Thanks.  Like I said, from a fan standpoint, that's cool.  From a consumer standpoint, that kinda sucks.
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2) Now, let's get to the REAL heart of the issue, which (again, if you did watch the video) Brian DIRECTLY AND OPENLY ADMITS: the reason the price is so high is because they're barely making a handful of them.  Because of the SAME OLD EXCUSE that TunderCats has been flogged with for over a decade now: "ThUnDeRcAtS dOnT sElL!!!1!"
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Brian readily acknowledges that, if they produced a higher run of ThunderTanks, they could sell for way less per unit, say into the $350 or $250 range (which is exactly what I said this vehicle should cost).  However, he claims that the reason they can't do that is because they simply don't have the customer base for that volume.  Which is true . . . BECAUSE THEIR FIGURES COST $50 EACH.
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This reasoning is INCREDIBLY disingenuous, because it basically blames the fans for the price, and flatly refuses to acknowledge Super7's own culpability OR the years of mismanagement to which the brand has been subjected to by EVERY company.
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- It's the reason WB and Cartoon Network gave for why TC2011 failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that they completely retooled the entire premise so it was nearly unrecognizable to original fans (it was excellent, don't get me wrong, but it was a harder sell), barely advertised, shuffled the time slot constantly before burying it on Friday nights, released episodes incredibly inconsistently, licensed the toys to friggin' BAN-DAI of all companies, and finally just washed their hands of the whole thing after only a year.
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- It's the reason Ban-Dai gave for why their TC Classics failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that their cartoon-based line was lousy quality and made the collector line look bad, the fact they released in an unheard-of 8" scale that NO ONE else used, only released two figures, made them from shiny, unpainted plastic that made them look cheap, then restarted the line in a DIFFERENT (admittedly better 6") scale, STILL only released two figures (one of them a re-release), and then simply dropped the line.
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- It's the reason Mattel gave for why THEIR TCC line failed.  "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that they released only via a subscription service and not something more accessible, released through a notoriously buggy digital storefront that EVERYONE hated through the ENTIRETY of the MOTUC era, charged OBSCENE shipping prices, released two VITAL MAIN CHARACTERS as SDCC exclusives that you COULD NOT get in the subscription, did not secure the character rights from WB for a long-term run, or that the company as a whole was about to go through a mismanagement crisis that lost them the rights to Thundercats, Ghostbusters, DC Comics, and even (briefly) killed their own MOTU line.
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- It's the reason WB/CN gave for why TC:Roar failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Oh, and also "NOSTALGIA FANS ARE STUPID POOPY HEADS!"  Had nothing to do with the fact that they retooled a more realistic art style action franchise that is mostly loved by modern adults into a bubble art comedy kids show, tried to market a nostalgia property to children who had no connection to it while simultaneously LITERALLY INSULTING those kids adult-fan parents, didn't release it until TWO YEARS after it was announced, STILL shuffled it around the schedule, STILL didn't advertise, STILL released inconsistently, and once again dropped it after a year (less even?).
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- And now Super7, who wants to say the price is so high 'cuz the customers aren't there . . . when the high pricing and lack of advertising to ANY broader audience is the reason there aren't customers.  But no, it's 'cuz Thundercats don't sell.
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The simple reality is that Super7 self-perpetuates a vicious circle of overpricing (and for the record, they do this for ALL their Ultimates and MOTU-based figures, even the hugely popular lines that sell WAY bigger runs, do NOT try to tell me that TMNT have to be that expensive because "they don't sell," if NECA put them in stores for $50 per 2-pack, Super7 could sell them for $25-$30 too).  And do not misunderstand, that is their right, and if their business model works for them, fine.  People can pay whatever they want for toys.  But the price isn't because they can't sell enough.  The price is because they don't make enough, and they don't make enough because they don't make them available at retail and they don't advertise to anyone but ONE singular group of prospective customers.  And the price cuts THAT customer base in half.
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For Thundercats, If the figures weren't $50 a pop, and the entire first wave wasn't just a bunch of re-releases that many of their target customers already have, and it didn't take them an ENTIRE YEAR or more between announcing a set of figures to actually getting them to ship (even if there's still a good reason for that, I am WELL AWARE that Chinese factories are a pain in the @$$ to work with, that's where one of my friends in the toy industry is FROM . . . regardless, those delays STILL turn off customers), and if they broadened their customer base to something bigger than a handful of websites, if they actually TRIED to target more mainstream audiences . . . THEY WOULD HAVE MORE INTEREST. They're enforcing a self-fulfilling prophesy. They're justifying the overpricing model by saying they need to pay for tooling for a small run on a low-interest property, when their own marketing and business strategy is CREATING the low-interest.
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Yes, Thundercats is 100% a smaller property than Star Wars or Marvel or TMNT or even MOTU. But if they made the stuff actually affordable and available? They WOULD sell more.  If they lowered the production values and necessary tooling a couple notches, and produced 25,000 units and sold them at a more affordable price, and actually advertised a LITTLE harder into the broader nostalgia market and more casual toy collectors and enthusiasts (and yes, even kids) rather than JUST the niche high-end expensive toy collector's market, they WOULD sell them all.  And these items WOULD be affordable.
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I know Super7 is a (comparatively) smaller toy company.  I know they are catering to a VERY specific market.  And they are well within their rights to do so, and to make as high-end a product as they want, and charge whatever they like.  No one ever said otherwise.  I merely made a legitimate critical complaint (with the Batmobile, I admit, an initially very loose comparison, but I even said that at the time) that is still completely accurate and valid.  After shipping, this thing cost HALF A GRAND.  And for MOST customers (ESPECIALLY during a pandemic), that's simply absurd.  It's not an attack to say that, or to rightly say that this could ABSOLUTELY be done cheaper with some minor sacrifices in scope and a broadening of the target customer base.
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And frankly, even if it WAS an attack, it's kinda amusing to see a bunch of people jump to the defense of a multi-million dollar company, as if said company doesn't have big-boy pants and can't protect itself or simply ignore the criticism, all on its own. *LOL*  But hey, THAT is purely a subjective take, y'all can object to my assessment however you like. 😀

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32 minutes ago, Batman1701 said:

Oh, here we go. *cracks knuckles*
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So, right off the bat: thanks for the "well, actually" routine everybody. 😀  The Batmobile comparison was a quick and dirty example.  I am WELL AWARE it wasn't directly 1:1 applicable, it was acting as a baseline.  But since y'all missed the point, fine, we can go in-depth.  Regardless, I'm not an idiot (QUITE the opposite, thanks much) I don't need tooling explained to me.  I know the costs in toy manufacturing.  And nevertheless, you're still incorrect, and my reasoning IS based in reality (which I will explain, AT LENGTH, below).  And moreover, Brian basically admits it in the video.  (Which, by the way, I watched last night, minutes after it was posted - probably before you did - 'cuz I'm a nocturnal nutjob, so you know, already got that covered too, thanks again. *eyeroll, chuckle*)
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Now, preface: I'll admit, I'm not a toy exec or a toy journalist or a YouTuber with a million subscribers, or even that high-profile a fan of any major property.  I'm just a toy collector of over 30 years who (thanks to being such a life-long toy fan) just so happens to have some friends who DO work in toy manufacturing, and who also happens to have some experience in marketing and advertising, and through those factors, I will still confidently say that this price is BS for the following reasons:
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1) Indeed, the Batmobile is a solid piece of plastic.  A shell, four wheels, an opening canopy, there's not much to it.  I have no illusions about that.  Nor do I have any misconceptions that the ThunderTank wouldn't (or shouldn't), by definition, have more parts than that.  It's got tank treads, claws, and an opening back chamber.  Yes, it's more complex.  HOWEVER . . . it absolutely COULD work with simpler tooling and engineering than they went with.  Yay, it has lots of gimmicks and bells and whistles.  It doesn't NEED that much.  Toy companies make sacrifices to detail all the time in an effort to make more affordable products.  That could ABSOLUTELY have been part of the design process and philosophy here.  It didn't have to be QUITE as large, it didn't have to be QUITE as tricked out.  They could have TRIED to make something affordable, and they DELIBERATELY DIDN'T.
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And just to be clear: from a fan and artistic standpoint, I think that's awesome.  I applaud them for having passion for the work and wanting to put out a pinnacle product that is the best they could possibly make.  That's great!  But at the same time . . . it is also exclusionary.  Here's a thing that most of you will not be allowed to have.  Thanks.  Like I said, from a fan standpoint, that's cool.  From a consumer standpoint, that kinda sucks.
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2) Now, let's get to the REAL heart of the issue, which (in case none of YOU watched the friggin' video) Brian DIRECTLY AND OPENLY ADMITS: the reason the price is so high is because they're barely making a handful of them.  Because of the SAME OLD EXCUSE that TunderCats has been flogged with for over a decade now: "ThUnDeRcAtS dOnT sElL!!!1!"
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Brian readily acknowledges that, if they produced a higher run of ThunderTanks, they could sell for way less per unit, say into the $350 or $250 range (which is exactly what I said this vehicle should cost).  However, he claims that the reason they can't do that is because they simply don't have the customer base for that volume.  Which is true . . . BECAUSE THEIR FIGURES COST $50 EACH.
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This reasoning is INCREDIBLY disingenuous, because it basically blames the fans for the price, and flatly refuses to acknowledge Super7's own culpability OR the years of mismanagement to which the brand has been subjected to by EVERY company.
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- It's the reason WB and Cartoon Network gave for why TC2011 failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that they completely retooled the entire premise so it was nearly unrecognizable to original fans (it was excellent, don't get me wrong, but it was a harder sell), barely advertised, shuffled the time slot constantly before burying it on Friday nights, released episodes incredibly inconsistently, licensed the toys to friggin' BAN-DAI of all companies, and finally just washed their hands of the whole thing after only a year.
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- It's the reason Ban-Dai gave for why their TC Classics failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that their cartoon-based line was lousy quality and made the collector line look bad, the fact they released in an unheard-of 8" scale that NO ONE else used, only released two figures, made them from shiny, unpainted plastic that made them look cheap, then restarted the line in a DIFFERENT (admittedly better 6") scale, STILL only released two figures (one of them a re-release), and then simply dropped the line.
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- It's the reason Mattel gave for why THEIR TCC line failed.  "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that they released only via a subscription service and not something more accessible, released through a notoriously buggy digital storefront that EVERYONE hated through the ENTIRETY of the MOTUC era, charged OBSCENE shipping prices, released two VITAL MAIN CHARACTERS as SDCC exclusives that you COULD NOT get in the subscription, did not secure the character rights from WB for a long-term run, or that the company as a whole was about to go through a mismanagement crisis that lost them the rights to Thundercats, Ghostbusters, DC Comics, and even (briefly) killed their own MOTU line.
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- It's the reason WB/CN gave for why TC:Roar failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Oh, and also "NOSTALGIA FANS ARE STUPID POOPY HEADS!"  Had nothing to do with the fact that they retooled a more realistic art style action franchise that is mostly loved by modern adults into a bubble art comedy kids show, tried to market a nostalgia property to children who had no connection to it while simultaneously LITERALLY INSULTING those kids adult-fan parents, didn't release it until TWO YEARS after it was announced, STILL shuffled it around the schedule, STILL didn't advertise, STILL released inconsistently, and once again dropped it after a year (less even?).
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- And now Super7, who wants to say the price is so high 'cuz the customers aren't there . . . when the high pricing and lack of advertising to ANY broader audience is the reason there aren't customers.  But no, it's 'cuz Thundercats don't sell.
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The simple reality is that Super7 self-perpetuates a vicious circle of overpricing (and for the record, they do this for ALL their Ultimates and MOTU-based figures, even the hugely popular lines that sell WAY bigger runs, do NOT try to tell me that TMNT have to be that expensive because "they don't sell," if NECA put them in stores for $50 per 2-pack, Super7 could sell them for $25-$30 too).  And do not misunderstand, that is their right, and if their business model works for them, fine.  People can pay whatever they want for toys.  But the price isn't because they can't sell enough.  The price is because they don't make enough, and they don't make enough because they don't make them available at retail and they don't advertise to anyone but ONE singular group of prospective customers.  And the price cuts THAT customer base in half.
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For Thundercats, If the figures weren't $50 a pop, and the entire first wave wasn't just a bunch of re-releases that many of their target customers already have, and it didn't take them an ENTIRE YEAR or more between announcing a set of figures to actually getting them to ship (even if there's still a good reason for that, I am WELL AWARE that Chinese factories are a pain in the @$$ to work with, that's where one of my friends in the toy industry is FROM . . . regardless, those delays STILL turn off customers), and if they broadened their customer base to something bigger than a handful of websites, if they actually TRIED to target more mainstream audiences . . . THEY WOULD HAVE MORE INTEREST. They're enforcing a self-fulfilling prophesy. They're justifying the overpricing model by saying they need to pay for tooling for a small run on a low-interest property, when their own marketing and business strategy is CREATING the low-interest.
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Yes, Thundercats is 100% a smaller property than Star Wars or Marvel or TMNT or even MOTU. But if they made the stuff actually affordable and available? They WOULD sell more.  If they lowered the production values and necessary tooling a couple notches, and produced 25,000 units and sold them at a more affordable price, and actually advertised a LITTLE harder into the broader nostalgia market and more casual toy collectors and enthusiasts (and yes, even kids) rather than JUST the niche high-end expensive toy collector's market, they WOULD sell them all.  And these items WOULD be affordable.
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I know Super7 is a (comparatively) smaller toy company.  I know they are catering to a VERY specific market.  And they are well within their rights to do so, and to make as high-end a product as they want, and charge whatever they like.  No one ever said otherwise.  I merely made a legitimate critical complaint (with the Batmobile, I admit, an initially very loose comparison, but I even said that at the time) that is still completely accurate and valid.  After shipping, this thing cost HALF A GRAND.  And for MOST customers (ESPECIALLY during a pandemic), that's simply absurd.  It's not an attack to say that, or to rightly say that this could ABSOLUTELY be done cheaper with some minor sacrifices in scope and a broadening of the target customer base.
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And frankly, even if it WAS an attack, it's kinda amusing to see a bunch of people jump to the defense of a multi-million dollar company, as if said company doesn't have big-boy pants and can't protect itself or simply ignore the criticism, all on its own. *LOL*  But hey, THAT is purely a subjective take, y'all can object to my assessment however you like. 😀

Here is the thing, your getting mad about reality. Brian is being open with you that sales arent there for ThunderCats to support a wider production run. That's not blaming fans, that just stating the reality of the market.

The fact is, no amount of explaining why things are the way they are is going to make you less mad, and I get that. You want the tank but you don't want to pay $450 for it. Frankly I am in the same boat. The difference is I am not going to get mad about it and insist it should be cheaper and anyone who says otherwise must be wrong  or insinuate they are some kind of a shill or have some kind of ulterior motive to lie.

At the end of the day whether you want to believe the price is justifiable or not, its not going to change.

 

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11 minutes ago, JayC said:

Here is the thing, your getting mad about reality. Brian is being open with you that sales arent there for ThunderCats to support a wider production run. That's not blaming fans, that just stating the reality of the market.

The fact is, no amount of explaining why things the way they are is going to make you less mad, and I get that. You want the tank but you don't want to pay $450 for it. Frankly I am in the same boat. The difference is I am not going to get mad about it and insist it should be cheaper and anyone who says otherwise must be wrong  or insinuate they are some kind of a shill or have some kind of ulterior motive to lie.

At the end of the day whether you want to believe the price is justifiable or not, its not going to change.

Hey, I'm not mad (and in point of fact, I edited my post a bit to note that, because I realized my tone was coming off wrong, I'm autistic, it happens, apologies).  I'm actually quite enjoying this.
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I think it's a genuine point of debate.  And I welcome challenges to it.  So, your assertion that "no amount of explaining is going to make me less mad" is simply not true.  Again, sorry for coming across hostile.
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Now, I AM saying that Brian is incorrect about the realities of the market.  Mostly because Super7 has too narrow a market focus.  Never accused anyone of lying or being a shill either.  Disingenuity is not always deliberate, and honestly, I think that's absolutely the case here.  If you've got your sights 100% set on being JUST a high-end collector brand, you may not actually see the broader potential, and that's a common pitfall in ANY industry, believing your customer base is limited based on your own perception of your product.  That's frustrating to see in this case, but just because he's likely incorrect doesn't mean he's LYING, and I never said that.
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I DO find it curious why it's suddenly so objectionable for people to voice their objections to the price (I did NOT insult anyone about this, but again, I know my tone was initially a bit harsh, and again, apologies), but that, likewise, I do not attribute to anyone being a shill. 🤨  In any case, no I don't think it'll change reality.  But then again . . . reality CAN'T change if people don't at least make their preferences known.  And in point of fact, there have been MANY times in the past when customer feedback has resulted in an altered business strategy ("Sonic The Hedgehog: The Movie" was ONLY a financial success because fans complained and the studio recognized they messed up and weren't going to make money unless they fixed it), ssooooo . . . actually yeah, criticism should be encouraged. *LOL*
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But again, no actual anger or hostility intended, and I'm sorry I came across that way.  Not mad, at all, and no, you aren't liars or shills.

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11 minutes ago, DrLava said:

see the problem youre having is that you keep comparing super 7 and this particular toy to the wrong things. this item would be comparable to the sail barge or razor crest from haslab, not a mass produced batmobile designed for children. its a direct to consumer item made by a very, very small company with a ton of production and shipping issues.

and complaining about the price on a forum of adult collectors does absolutely nothing. tj and brian arent reading your post and saying "oh Batman1701 thinks we're overcharging, lets take a massive loss and charge way less." this isnt a movie whose production team intentionally leaks things to gauge audience feedback. again, another poor example. the only objections super 7 wants to hear is if they show design sketches and they have something done very wrong in regards to how the toy should look. 

That's nice that you think I have a problem. 😘 You'll forgive me if I continue to address my disagreement with the situation in whatever manner I see fit.
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Your first paragraph actually kinda squarely walks into my point while completely missing it: Super7 absolutely COULD broaden their scope to reach a wider market.  The reason the sales numbers aren't there is because they DON'T.  And if that's their preferred business strategy, so be it.  But then to say "the price is so high because not many people will buy it" is reverse rationale.  Not many people will buy it because you keep your customer base small through pricing and limited scope.  Fine.  You do you Super7.  But don't be shocked that people complain the price is too high.

You really illustrated my point with the line about being in an "adult collector forum," I mean . . . last I checked, TNI was as much a general toy news site, not JUST adult collectibles.  Or we wouldn't SEE articles about Spin Masters or a lot of Mattel's output or the kids Ghostbusters line, etc, etc.  This would be an irrelevant side note, but it does speak to my point: Super7 has the same "adult only" mentality that you appear to display, when in point of fact, almost all of their products could SO easily be directed at a mass market, and especially to kids.  Upping visibility, increasing production, driving down costs through bulk, and making them TONS more money.  And THAT, THIS POINT SPECIFICALLY . . . is why I find the "the price is high because we won't sell many" point is flawed.  Because . . . they COULD.  And it would be better for EVERYONE.  But they're too laser-focused on the "adults only" position, and that costs them customers.
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As for the Sonic example, I believe you have likewise thoroughly missed that point.  It is not a case of "this is identical."  It was simply ONE example of "actually, sometimes complaints from potential customers DO effect company decisions." As noted, I had no assumptions that my complaints, in this venue, WILL do so.  Merely that, if enough complaints in are made in enough venues, the potential exists that they CAN change.  Which is a simple fact.
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And finally . . . once again . . . don't particularly see why it's a problem for some people that others make their disapproval known, or that they will defend their position when challenged.  That's the nature of debate. 

But of course, you are always free to continue to disagree.  That's ALSO the nature of debate. :)<P>

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16 minutes ago, DrLava said:

you should really google the company and then you'd see just how small their operation really is. expanding to the what you want this company to be requires massive amounts of money that they just dont have. they would need more staff, more equipment, and multiple manufactoring plants to reach the production levels you want them at. unless youre going to become an investor for them its definitely not possible.

clearly you dont have children. companies dont market toys to children anymore because thats not the customer base anymore. it hasnt been for many years. i also havent seen any articles about a kids ghostbusters line. what company makes that? and i never said anything about "adults only" or anything like that. read what was written, i said this is an adult collectors forum. meaning all of us posting here are grown adults that collect toys. 

and as for complaining about pricing, like i told you, wrong place. we cant help you with that and super 7 isnt reading this. feel free to email them though, im sure they'd love hearing from someone who cant afford their products and doesnt like how they run their company. you should definitely tell them how they should change their business model with the limited capital they have too. who knows they may offer you a job, i mean you seem to know how to make them extremely successful.

1) You do know that EVERY company starts out as a small company, and then grows from that, yes?  Just checking.  Yes, I'm well aware they're a 42-person firm that made $8mil last year.  I'm not going to waste time explaining here how small increases in advertising budgets and production runs can lead to exponential jumps in income, that's just Business 101.
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2) Man, I guess I missed that no toy company anywhere sells toys for kids anymore.  Someone should tell the toy industry that . . . .
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3) The Ghostbusters kids line?  That would be Hasbro.  You know, that company that makes Titans Heroes and 5-POA figures and simplified Transformers and Hero Mashers . . . NOT aimed at kids, 'cuz as established, no one markets toys for kids.
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4) An open, public toy forum is not the place to express an opinion.  Got it!
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8 hours ago, JayC said:

I dont remember if they offered payment options on Snake Mountain or not. My guess it would be more like a layaway kind of thing where you break up payments and have it completed by a certain period of time.

 

Oh ok... I will check with one of the Youtubers that posted video review for it...

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11 minutes ago, DrLava said:

you also missed what was written. again. i wrote, "companies dont market toys to children anymore". somehow you misread that though and made up what you wanted somebody else to say. again.

Uh . . . you mean THIS Gostbusters toyline that Hasbro isn't making?
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https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/21/hasbro-ghostbusters-toy-fair-2020-preview-information-and-images-379507
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Also, you mean THESE hero mashers that Hasbro doesn't sell?
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https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/avengers-hero-mashers-captain-america-vs-iron-skull:126F418F-5056-9047-F528-6C2B7A32C903
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Also, do you not know that when you sell children's toys in retail store toy aisles, you market toys to kids?  Like, are you unaware of what marketing is?
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Also, are you so obsessed with proving me wrong that you're going to keep saying dumber stuff for me to prove you wrong about?
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Actually, scratch that part, I don't actually care anymore.  Haven't for hours, but I thought your latest replies were too funny.  Post whatever you want, I'm sure you'll have plenty to be bothered about, and I'll be in your head for at least long enough for you to post something snide and pointless in your next response. *LMAO* Have a great life!

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5 hours ago, JayC said:

Super7 today released our first look at the boxart done by Jason Edmiston for the upcoming ThunderCats 7" scale Ultimates Thundertank

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Wish the actual size was like that. Maybe the price wouldn't be as high.

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2) Now, let's get to the REAL heart of the issue, which (again, if you did watch the video) Brian DIRECTLY AND OPENLY ADMITS: the reason the price is so high is because they're barely making a handful of them.  Because of the SAME OLD EXCUSE that TunderCats has been flogged with for over a decade now: "ThUnDeRcAtS dOnT sElL!!!1!"
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Brian readily acknowledges that, if they produced a higher run of ThunderTanks, they could sell for way less per unit, say into the $350 or $250 range (which is exactly what I said this vehicle should cost).  However, he claims that the reason they can't do that is because they simply don't have the customer base for that volume.  Which is true . . . BECAUSE THEIR FIGURES COST $50 EACH.
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This reasoning is INCREDIBLY disingenuous, because it basically blames the fans for the price, and flatly refuses to acknowledge Super7's own culpability OR the years of mismanagement to which the brand has been subjected to by EVERY company.
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- It's the reason WB and Cartoon Network gave for why TC2011 failed. "THEY DON'T SELL!" Had nothing to do with the fact that they completely retooled the entire premise so it was nearly unrecognizable to original fans (it was excellent, don't get me wrong, but it was a harder sell), barely advertised, shuffled the time slot constantly before burying it on Friday nights, released episodes incredibly inconsistently, licensed the toys to friggin' BAN-DAI of all companies, and finally just washed their hands of the whole thing after only a year.

Yes, the figures are $50 because of things beyond their control. They have to make money at the end of the day and they have to make a certain percentage of profit compared to the overall cost per unit, so they price something at a certain point to recoup the cost of making the item and then they mark it up a certain percentage to insure they make the amount of profit required to justify the item. This is how every company operates in the toy industry and most other industries that exist. The TC figs are $55 because of an increase in cost of living which includes inflation and an increase in the price of materials (which is also due to inflation among other things).

These higher priced items are made to order, so if 5,349 people preorder the tank then they make 5,349 tanks. They know roughly how many tanks they'll probably sell and I'm sure it's not based on the number of people that buy TC figures. It's a percentage that I'm sure some statistician came up with based on tried and true methods that they trust in, so there's probably an industry standard percent of X percent of customers who buy vehicles like this vs. much cheaper retail options that cost a tenth of the cost. At the end of the day they aren't blaming fans for anything. If you want to blame someone then blame China, since the $10 increase in price is due to everything over there going up. 

EVERYONE needs to prepare for this hobby to get very expensive from here on out and including regular retail options. COVID and COVID relief checks in the USA have resulted in a massive shortage in the workforce which leads to less product being able to be made and also results in a decrease in the stuff used to make the toys we buy. The relief checks aren't free when you look at the big picture, and they will have to be paid for in the future which is where major league inflation comes into play. When it finally happens we'll be looking at major increases in the price of food, gas, and everything else, so $7 per gallon gas or $7 dollar gallons of milk and equivalent increases in everything else aren't out of the question. Around 2/3 to 3/4 of all USA currency (physical money) was printed in the last year which is just frickin' nuts, so we're gonna be wham, bam, thank you ma'am'd at some point in the not too distant future. It has already started with gas going up a quarter since Biden took office (because oil companies knew he would jack with them so they increased prices to stockpile extra cash and what do you know but he shutdown that pipeline and banned fracking on federal land and 70,000 to 80,000 jobs disappeared overnight and all of those people belonged to unions that supported Biden, so there's a bit of voter remorse going on in that world which I find funny because they were warned of this leading up to the election).  Anyway, it's coming and you may have to make some financial decisions about what you want to collect at some point. My point is things go up for a reason, and it isn't the fans not buying it that is the problem.

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On 1/31/2021 at 11:28 PM, DrLava said:

hasbro never made a ghostbusters kids line of toys. hasbro has only made the plasma collection line of figures so far since acquiring the ghostbusters license and thats not a kids line. 

and it seems youre completely unaware of marvel legends and star wars black series. you know, their highly successful lines of 15-30 poa figures aimed at adult collectors. 

its 2021, not 2010. hasbro hasnt made a new masher figure in quite a few years. but when you do finally catch up to the future we'll all be here waiting for you.

Hasbro is making a kids line, just hasnt been released yet due to the movie delay. We say it at Toy Fair last year.

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Super7 has released official images for their upcoming ThunderCats Ultimates Thundertank.

The tank will cost $450 + shipping which here in the US will be a $40 flat rate. Pre-orders open up today on Super7.com and will go until April 2, 2021. Expected delivery Q1 2022.

The rear tank panel opens to fit 4 figures and the included gun station, while the front panel opens to fit a driver and a passanger.

The tank is also now available for pre-order from our sponsor BigBadToyStore.com

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Here's what I'm seeing the cost breakdown as being through Super7's website:

Payment Plan Total USD $545.13
 
ThunderCats ULTIMATES! Vehicle - ThunderTank
Subtotal $450.00
Thundertank Flat (shipping) $40.00
Payment Plan Fee (Ca) $22.50
State Tax $32.63
Order Total

$545.13

Down Payment due today $185.34
Remaining Balance $359.79
Balance paid in 2 months
Frequency 1 month
Number of payments 2
Payment amount USD $179.90
You can't change the amount of months to pay over time =/ And BBTS looks exactly the same, only you have to pay everything all at once:
 

ThunderCats Ultimates Thundertank

Estimated to arrive 1st Quarter 2022
Requires down payment of $50.00
Qty:
1
Price
$499.99
Subtotal
$499.99
Estimated Shipping:
$4.00
Estimated Tax:
$43.14
Pre-order Total:
$547.13
Required Down Payment Due Now:
$50.00
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6 hours ago, DiscoCougar said:

Here's what I'm seeing the cost breakdown as being through Super7's website:

Payment Plan Total USD $545.13
 
ThunderCats ULTIMATES! Vehicle - ThunderTank
Subtotal $450.00
Thundertank Flat (shipping) $40.00
Payment Plan Fee (Ca) $22.50
State Tax $32.63
Order Total

$545.13

Down Payment due today $185.34
Remaining Balance $359.79
Balance paid in 2 months
Frequency 1 month
Number of payments 2
Payment amount USD $179.90
 
You can't change the amount of months to pay over time =/ And BBTS looks exactly the same, only you have to pay everything all at once:
 

ThunderCats Ultimates Thundertank

Estimated to arrive 1st Quarter 2022
Requires down payment of $50.00
Qty:
1
Price
$499.99
Subtotal
$499.99
Estimated Shipping:
$4.00
Estimated Tax:
$43.14
Pre-order Total:
$547.13
Required Down Payment Due Now:
$50.00

Nice breakdown and thanks for sharing...😀👍

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Much like Grayskull, the upcoming Snake Mountain and Hasbro's Sentinel, I just don't see there being any problem getting this thing funded. My issue is not money, or desire to have the thing, I just flat out don't have space for these things, as awesome as they may be. Good on those people who can, but I've gone from a room in my house to a fair half of the family recreation garage and I still have no room to spare. Damn, I wish I did though. This is the one everyone always wanted as a kid.

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1 hour ago, Zerzar999 said:

Much like Grayskull, the upcoming Snake Mountain and Hasbro's Sentinel, I just don't see there being any problem getting this thing funded. My issue is not money, or desire to have the thing, I just flat out don't have space for these things, as awesome as they may be. Good on those people who can, but I've gone from a room in my house to a fair half of the family recreation garage and I still have no room to spare. Damn, I wish I did though. This is the one everyone always wanted as a kid.

Same here and that's why I done have their Castle Grayskull nor the Snake Mountain... I'm still thinking where I will be able to display the Thundertank if I get onboard with the pre-order...🤔

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22 minutes ago, JayC said:

ThunderCats Hooooo! Brian Flynn of Super7 walks you through the enormous made-to-order dream that is ThunderTank and its features.

Pre-Order details (including International partners) for ThunderTank are at this link: https://preorder.super7store.com/coll...
 

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I saw the video and it looks good...😀✌️

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