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Well, I will throw my 2 cents in. First off I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, but I think there were some things that hindered it from becoming a great movie.

The biggest problem I have with MOS is a problem that most comic book movies have succumbed too. I call it the Armageddon effect. It probably started before that, but anywho. I am sick and tired of watching cities get destroyed. FF 2, Transformers 1 and 3, TDKR, GI Joe, Avengers, ect. If I want to watch a disaster movie I will go watch 2012 or The day after tomorrow. I feel like this kind of "action" is general and takes away from what most of us want to see. I don't want to watch Shia running around in Transformers trying not to get crushed by buildings and killing decepticons, nor do I want to see Perry white and random people screaming and running away from the 50th crumbling building. Save money by not shooting useless explosions and put that money on better cg and cooler hand to hand combat scenes with Superman. This fad of a city being destroyed is as tired as the "the hero" dying only to be resurrected (Thor, Sue Storm, Optimus, Sam, ect) No one really believes your dead

Another problem I have with this film is that it is called man of steel, yet it feels like the MOS is just one character in a crowded cast. It plays more as an ensemble piece. Between, the Colonel, Perry, Lois, the Scientist, Jor-El, and Zod. The characters seem just as important as Supes rather than being supportive cast.

Finally, I feel like they bit off more than they could chew. This movie had LOTR syndrome and did not know when to end. Clark did not seem to get developed because the movie was in such a rush to squeeze everything in. Ultimately, I think the luster of this film will fade. Eventually this film will be one that we pop in the DVD player and skip to the last hour (although the prologue with Jor-El was awesome and Crowe really is a scene stealer)

All that being said. I enjoyed the movie, but it could have been exceptional rather than good. A lot of this is opinion, but that is my take on Man Of Steel

 

Some great points bud....the only thing im gonna expand on here is when you said Clark was under developed. In the end its Superman, he is a cultural icon. We did a poll for the shop i work at and went to a Casino and a Middle School and asked random people if they knew 6 characters. The list was Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Black Widow ( i know the list was very random we pulled names out of a hat) We asked if they knew who these super heroes were and how. 90% of the Casino goers (ages 22-80) knew who Superman was and were able to give an origin explaination, same with WW. 55% of the Middle School kids (ages 12-15) gave us the same information. Wolverine, BW, and GL were more top of mind due to the movies origins are in thier mind fresh.

 

Here is my point. Superman, Batman, hell even Spiderman do NOT need thier origins retold (exception is the Krytpon scenes they kicked ass and worked for this movie) You can retell certain snippets in flash backs and not involve 45 min to an hour explaining how they got there.

 

But in regards to your Armaggedon Syndrome I never put that together until you pointed it out and you know what your right! that is a trend that keeps being used and used and used!

 

Like you I am fine with snippets of flashbacks to tell his origin story... I really didn't want to sit through an hour of origin story...

 

I don't see the "Armageddon Syndrome" ending anytime soon with everyone trying to sell 3D... In MOS you can at least follow the fights unlike Bayformers...

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Pay attention to Costner's performance when he suggests the possibility that Clark -maybe- should have let the kids on the bus die. He feels guilty as hell for suggesting it, he looks away from Clark and his voice even chokes a little bit. He's a very human character, and Costner managed to give him more depth with his brief screentime than many actors manage with an entire movie. He loves his son and worries over him, and I think every (good) parents' instinct is towards protecting their children above all else. Remember, he doesn't say "Yes, you should've let them die." He says "maybe." In his own way, he's just as confused and searching for the right answer as Clark is. (Of course, this doesn't even get into the part where if he -had- let them drown, then they'd have to explain why he was the only survivor...not to mention dealing with a tremendous degree of survivor's guilt on Clark's part).

 

The argument about using his powers in the open? Well...someone -did- find him out. Lois Lane managed to track him down. I wouldn't be surprised if Lex Luthor does the same in the next movie. In Smallville there seemed to be an unspoken/underlying attitude that some folks know Clark is "different" but the typical small-town mentality kicks in and they just don't talk about it with "out-of-towners." At first I had a problem with Ma Kent apparently spilling the beans to Lois, but as I thought about it, Lois showed up already knowing who and what Clark is...she was just looking for the final confirmation. She'd already seen Clark's face, so all it would have taken was a single photo in the Kent home to confirm that. I think Martha recognized that Lois already knew, so instead of trying to hide it, she was honest and instead tried to shift her towards not taking Clark's ID public (not that we really know for sure, since we don't actually see the conversation, but there's a definite look of resignation on Martha's face when Lois makes her introduction).

 

On Superman killing Zod: I think Cavill sold how torn up Superman was about it in the immediate aftermath. Plus, Superman has killed (a) Zod in the comics in the past. If anything, Superman's "no killing" code has never been quite as strong as Batman's. Plus this is "rookie" Superman. It could well be that killing Zod is part of what drives Superman to being more conscious of avoiding it, and likewise the destruction in Metropolis and Smallville drive him to try to be more protective in the future, though that's material for the sequel, really. Plus on the destruction front: Not much of it really could have been avoided, and given Zod's threat at the end, every second Superman spends trying to save civilians is a second where Zod is potentially slaughtering hundreds/thousands more himself.

 

On the power level of the Krypto-mooks and Superman beating them: The suits blocked out the super-sensory input, but not solar radiation. They were only "powerless" aboard the ship, but with the helmets on, they gained the enhanced strength but not the senses. They may be better trained than Superman (and it shows when Faora and Nam-Ek pound him in Smallville, often using teamwork to do so), but Superman is likely stronger, having had his whole life to suck up that sunshine. Heck, they all but spell out that Zod's training and discipline are the only things that let him go toe-to-toe with Supes at the end.

 

I think I can agree that it's not a "great" movie, but I'd place it "above average" myself. The critics may not agree, but audiences are generally greatly enjoying it (A- Cinemascore), so word of mouth will probably be good, and it'll probably end up with a $300M+ domestic box office haul. It isn't as if much worse movies haven't made tons of money (Looking at you, Bayformers).

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Well, I will throw my 2 cents in. First off I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, but I think there were some things that hindered it from becoming a great movie.

The biggest problem I have with MOS is a problem that most comic book movies have succumbed too. I call it the Armageddon effect. It probably started before that, but anywho. I am sick and tired of watching cities get destroyed. FF 2, Transformers 1 and 3, TDKR, GI Joe, Avengers, ect. If I want to watch a disaster movie I will go watch 2012 or The day after tomorrow. I feel like this kind of "action" is general and takes away from what most of us want to see. I don't want to watch Shia running around in Transformers trying not to get crushed by buildings and killing decepticons, nor do I want to see Perry white and random people screaming and running away from the 50th crumbling building. Save money by not shooting useless explosions and put that money on better cg and cooler hand to hand combat scenes with Superman. This fad of a city being destroyed is as tired as the "the hero" dying only to be resurrected (Thor, Sue Storm, Optimus, Sam, ect) No one really believes your dead

Another problem I have with this film is that it is called man of steel, yet it feels like the MOS is just one character in a crowded cast. It plays more as an ensemble piece. Between, the Colonel, Perry, Lois, the Scientist, Jor-El, and Zod. The characters seem just as important as Supes rather than being supportive cast.

Finally, I feel like they bit off more than they could chew. This movie had LOTR syndrome and did not know when to end. Clark did not seem to get developed because the movie was in such a rush to squeeze everything in. Ultimately, I think the luster of this film will fade. Eventually this film will be one that we pop in the DVD player and skip to the last hour (although the prologue with Jor-El was awesome and Crowe really is a scene stealer)

All that being said. I enjoyed the movie, but it could have been exceptional rather than good. A lot of this is opinion, but that is my take on Man Of Steel

 

Some great points bud....the only thing im gonna expand on here is when you said Clark was under developed. In the end its Superman, he is a cultural icon. We did a poll for the shop i work at and went to a Casino and a Middle School and asked random people if they knew 6 characters. The list was Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Black Widow ( i know the list was very random we pulled names out of a hat) We asked if they knew who these super heroes were and how. 90% of the Casino goers (ages 22-80) knew who Superman was and were able to give an origin explaination, same with WW. 55% of the Middle School kids (ages 12-15) gave us the same information. Wolverine, BW, and GL were more top of mind due to the movies origins are in thier mind fresh.

 

Here is my point. Superman, Batman, hell even Spiderman do NOT need thier origins retold (exception is the Krytpon scenes they kicked ass and worked for this movie) You can retell certain snippets in flash backs and not involve 45 min to an hour explaining how they got there.

 

But in regards to your Armaggedon Syndrome I never put that together until you pointed it out and you know what your right! that is a trend that keeps being used and used and used!

 

I don't have any interest in delving into the origin story again either. I was referring to developing Clark in regards to him finding his real parents. An event like this is tramatic and paramount in anyone's life and I think they could have explored that deeper. To me it came across as "O sweet. Well, I will just put on this cool suit and be awesome now.All my identity problems are solved. Finding out where you come from changes everything. It answers a lot of questions, but it also introduces new questions. It changes your relationship with others. It is not a simple event in one's life and I thought the approach used in MOS was a little cavalier

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also, if you haven't seen it already...Birthright's Mark Waid on Man of Steel: http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/

 

I really wish I could say I like this movie more than I did. Waid's review echoes my thoughts on this movie completely. The one word to sum it all up? "Cold". To me, that's not Superman.

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even with it's faults, the 78 Superman nails the heart and soul of the character...Goyerman had no heart, or soul

 

I respect trying to give us something different, but those foundations must be solid. MOS is a muddled mess...yet, as a strange positive, its still a better spectacle and effort than any of the Marvel films

 

Aaaaaaand he's outted himself, ladies and gentlemen! @smilepunch@ I've suspected you of being a Marvel hater but this proves it :) MOS, better effort than ANY Marvel movie? Wow, that's bold. Is there even one superhero movie in the last 13 years that you've enjoyed thoroughly? I ask because I'm genuinely interested, not trying to be s smart @$$. I agree with a lot of you comments on various subjects (even the first sentence of this quote) and the one's I don't agree with are at least.....interesting, most of the time.

 

Just give me one superhero movie title that you like, you don't even have to tell me why. Then we can get back to talking MOS @supes@

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even with it's faults, the 78 Superman nails the heart and soul of the character...Goyerman had no heart, or soul

 

I respect trying to give us something different, but those foundations must be solid. MOS is a muddled mess...yet, as a strange positive, its still a better spectacle and effort than any of the Marvel films

 

Aaaaaaand he's outted himself, ladies and gentlemen! @smilepunch@ I've suspected you of being a Marvel hater but this proves it :) MOS, better effort than ANY Marvel movie? Wow, that's bold. Is there even one superhero movie in the last 13 years that you've enjoyed thoroughly? I ask because I'm genuinely interested, not trying to be s smart @$$. I agree with a lot of you comments on various subjects (even the first sentence of this quote) and the one's I don't agree with are at least.....interesting, most of the time.

 

Just give me one superhero movie title that you like, you don't even have to tell me why. Then we can get back to talking MOS @supes@

 

The Dark Knight...though its impact is lessened by its bookends.

 

Iron Man...lessened by all that followed.

 

I did enjoy Spidey 2, even if I already saw Superman 2...but Spidey 3 killed it all. Almost the same for X-Men.

 

The Incredibles...yup, a kiddie toon might be the best. And DC's got a few animated film entries that rival any live action effort.

 

 

You dont agree that the fx/spectacle in MOS was better executed than any Marvel film? I mean, we got pretty similar "alien" invasions 3 summers in a row now (Transformers 3 Chicago invasion, Avengers' Shitauri invasion, MOS kryptonian invasion) and new Krypton even gives Asgard a run...It's all just eye candy, but i felt that MOS was clean and the least cartoony so far. And, as I said before, WETA outdid themselves...so much that the Hobbit 2 trailer FX looked instantly outdated 10+ years.

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I liked it, but had a problem with some of the Metropolis battle scenes... it seemed a bit overboard, especially since, you know, it was Metropolis and it plays a major part in the Superman stories. One of my favorite parts was picking out a ton of my favorite actors from different shows sprinkled in here and there. From Flashpoint, BSG and Law & Order.. I think there were a couple more, but those were the stand outs.

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I liked the movie!

 

My only comment is that if its my life or a dog, then bye, bye rover...

 

that's usually the case with the Hollywood writer...animal life = human life

 

Anyone else find any strange irony, maybe even discomfort, with the pointlessly used-because-it's-different or used-because-it's-one-of-3-things-people-recognize-about-Kansas twister? Here in the Midwest, very shortly after another devastating twister season...First, that a highway over/underpass is a tornado blocker: how many people huddling together with do-nothing Clark were killed by debris after Pa disappeared/scenes end? True Kansans might know better. Secondly, and this is bit of a reach, but with the recent devastation in Oklahoma and seeing this scene, I couldn't help but think about gut reactions to gun violence immediately following the Colorado Dark Knight tragedy. "PULL THE GANSTER SQUAD TRAILER! AMERICA IS NOT READY!" And here we are in on the edge of tornado alley, watching another Hollywood twister..."What? Tornados are real? Huh? Kansas? That's between New York and San Francisco, right?

 

sorry, but the heart attack would suffice...and be more meaningful...

 

 

on second though, if Pa died in 97, I gotta cut em some slack...I mean, this was our only tornado instructional video past the Wizard of Oz:

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You dont agree that the fx/spectacle in MOS was better executed than any Marvel film? I mean, we got pretty similar "alien" invasions 3 summers in a row now (Transformers 3 Chicago invasion, Avengers' Shitauri invasion, MOS kryptonian invasion) and new Krypton even gives Asgard a run...It's all just eye candy, but i felt that MOS was clean and the least cartoony so far. And, as I said before, WETA outdid themselves...so much that the Hobbit 2 trailer FX looked instantly outdated 10+ years.

 

I'll agree that the FX in MOS were great but no more, really than any Marvel film. These days, really great special effects are the rule rather than the exception. I've become numb to it. And I'll also say that I'm getting very tired of seeing building topple, get cut in half, or have super powered beings thrown through them. Yawn! We've seen it before. But I will give it to you, FX in MOS were great. Krypton looked good, and I liked the moving pictures that came with holo-Jor-El's history lesson.

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Sooo i loved the movie but it has no heart. The original showed that a lot. The connection between these characters was amazingly done but not so in man of steel. Why should superman care about metropolis? He was never there. Same goes for all the ones that worked at ???? I suppose it is the daily planet because it didnt got a proper introduction. Half of metropolis is destroyed at the end. Really thought superman would prevent that. Then instead of looking for survivors he prefers to kiss lois. Thats sweet. 30 buildings just collapsed dude. Then it goes on. Fights zod at the other end of town where everything is still standing. I really loved the action and the actors but it misses a lot. When perry and the other 2 characters were about to die i was like why should i care for them? 1000 of people allready died around them and all we know about them is that they work with lois. Thats it? The connection between these guys is missing. I hope they do a better job with part 2. where did clark even know where to find this spaceship in the ice? A lot of questions instead of answers.

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Redlettermedia's Half in the Bag reviews Man of Steel...

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-man-of-steel/

...spoiler: They hated it!

 

Yeah, every time I want to write more about why I didn't like this movie I see a review like this that just nails it and I think, "Why bother"?

 

They're right about everything. Especially about Iron Man 3 being more enjoyable (get over Mandarin, people) and Superman Returns looking GOOD in comparison. Correct, correct!

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and Superman Returns looking GOOD in comparison. Correct, correct!

 

I understand MOS may not have been your cup of tea, but I can't even remotely fathom SR looking good in comparison by any stretch.

 

Sorry to disagree with you but this movie blew Reeves efforts out of the water IMO.

 

Besides superior special effects, what was ONE THING that this new monstrosity did better than the first two Reeves films?

 

Well for one, MOS's approach to Zod made him a bit more fascinating foe than the one dimensional villain Zod in S2. A Zod

who's primary concern was the preservation of his people and culture as oppose to the Zod that simply wanted revenge and to dominate earth.

I also believe that MOS had a much deeper exploration of Clark's relationship with the Kents a bit more than the Donner films

did. Krypton and Kryptonian tech appeared to be far more compelling. With that being said, there is room for improvement with sequels, but a bit of leeway

can be given considering that this is the first outing to a more expansive cinematic DC universe. There are things that MOS did better than the

Reeve films and vice versa, however unlike the Donner series MOS has the potential to be a well rounded and satisfying film franchise overall than

what its predecessor was.

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Sorry to disagree with you but this movie blew Reeves efforts out of the water IMO.

 

If your refering to the origional I will have to disagree..Remember they only thing he had to go by was the comics the toons and the 50's tv show...Plus the 70's were a totally different time

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