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or will Disney "acquire" and let Yoda rot in a drawer for an unspecified length of time like his "acquired" Muppet brothers? let it die...

Yeah, first the comic book movie replaces the action-adventure genre, and now we can have Star Wars replace the Sci-fi genre with no challenge!   One Star Wars a summer...no wait...multiple spin-off

the worst part of this mess? not the usage of "Marvel business" plan in conjunction with "Star Wars"...not "giving Star Wars to a new generation of filmmakers (keep that turd, Whedon out of this)...b

Like I said, they will get the best writers and directors because most of the good ones that are out there grew up on these films!!! They would definitely do justice to the mythos!!! They are ready to jump at the chance!!! I would if I was a director or writer!! He'll, I bet treatments are already being written!!

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i dont know if episode 7 is needed. i mean anakins story is told. if luke comes back then yes but otherwise i see no point in calling it episode 7.

except Star Wars isn't about Anakin's story, so his story arc being complete is irrelevant to any new movies. Luke Skywalker is the protagonist of the original trilogy and that is who the OT's story is about. Just because Anakin is redeemed at the end of ROTJ doesn't make the story of the OT or the entire series about him. His redemption isn't even a sub plot that is pursued throughout the OT; it is a subplot of ROTJ only.

 

And Anakin isn't even the protagonist of the prequels. he is a supporting character like Han Solo in the OT. The protagonist propels the story, and the story of the prequels is about the Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute which turns into a much larger and more deadly conflict. Qui Gon is the protagonist of TPM, and Obi Won is the protagonist of the next two films, as he is the character actively pursuing the plot. Anakin is merely a sub plot of both films. sure, his story arc stretches across the prequels and the OT, but only as a sub plot (and not even a sub plot of the OT but just of ROTJ).

 

a 7th film doesn't need to have anything to do with Anakin.

 

I do agree that it has to have something to do with Luke Skywalker, though, even if he is relegated just as a subplot that bridges episode 7 to the rest of the series.

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Like Han said, "What WOULD you like?"

 

No more theatrical Star Wars outings except for rereleases.

 

...and no more stormtroopers at holiday parades.

 

 

most everything else is too far gone on the "would have liked" list...like I wish George Lucas could keep it straight...

except Star Wars isn't about Anakin's story, so his story arc being complete is irrelevant to any new movies.

 

"I get asked all the time, 'What happens after "Return of the Jedi"?,' and there really is no answer for that," he said. "The movies were the story of Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker, and when Luke saves the galaxy and redeems his father, that's where that story ends." - George Lucas, LA Times 2008

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/07/entertainment/et-lucas7

 

And looking to a future "would have"...would have liked for the events of "heir to the empire" to not have been wiped from continuity by the new movies

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I know this might not be popular but What if Disney brings Star Wars back to its origional Glory?

 

I mean most of here watch Disney Movies and don't realize its Disney..All Disney movies aren't goody two shoes like the crap shows on its networks

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except Star Wars isn't about Anakin's story, so his story arc being complete is irrelevant to any new movies.

 

"I get asked all the time, 'What happens after "Return of the Jedi"?,' and there really is no answer for that," he said. "The movies were the story of Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker, and when Luke saves the galaxy and redeems his father, that's where that story ends." - George Lucas, LA Times 2008

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/07/entertainment/et-lucas7

 

the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

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Wow I ever thought about Dark Horse Comics

 

you had to get that from the soon to be defunct Attack of the Show and not by reading posts by your fellow members a page back? Cmon, Wheeljack, getcha getcha getch head in the game man! :)

 

Oh well..

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I think this is a good thing. I have said for a long time Lucas lost touch with what most of us wanted anyway. I think Disney is the best possible landing spot for the propertry!

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I've just been on cloud nine the last couple of days over this news. It's so ironic because for the past few months I had kinda neglected Star Wars in general. Maybe it was a lull, or perhaps I had a touch of burn-out. But I've been all about superhero-related stuff lately, and I just hadn't bought anything Star Wars-related in awhile, although I've never stopped getting and reading Star Wars Insider magazine...

 

I was stunned by the double-whammy announcement Tuesday. Then I realized I had also gotten my Vintage Collection Wave 5 case in the mail the same day. Riding high on the news, I cracked open the case, and I had such a rush of excitement and nostalgia. It reminded me all over again why I was a Star Wars fan and collector. The one figure that probably stood out to me the most was not the awesome Republic Trooper, not the wonderful Nein Numb that I was looking so forward to, because all my brother and I had back in the day was the mail-away version, and not the sweet realistically-sculpted version of my favorite character, General Kenobi from the Clone Wars...it was Weeequay. (lol)

 

Why Weequay? Why was I thrilled to get a new version of one of the mute and minor background characters from Return of the Jedi? It just took me all the way back to the spring of 1983, back when my brother and I had gotten some early Return of the Jedi trading cards before the movie came out, and we'd see all these new characters that we wanted to know more about. Who the heck was Palpatine? What's the deal with all of those little bear-like characters? Those new stormtroopers with the square helmets are cool!! (lol)

 

But I also remember getting those first few ROTJ figures, and Weequay was one of them. I guess he was one of my first secondary characters that seem so commonplace now that get their own figure, name, and background. I didn't know who or what he was, friend or foe, but he was so interesting-looking. I remember thinking even as a ten-year-old kid that Kenner's sculpting had improved by leaps and bounds with the new ROTJ figures. Weequay's face just had so much character and detail in it. I didn't know at the time he was simply one of the secondary thugs that tries to push Luke into the Sarlacc pit, and he's on-screen for about 2.5 seconds. (lol) I guess that early fascination with the character makes him one of my favorites, and to get the new one on the classic cardback just takes me back in a big way...

 

Anyway, I'm so looking forward to see where this all goes. I think the biggest thing I'm excited about is the fact that my little girl will be just old enough to enjoy the new trilogy with me when Episode VII comes out. (I can't believe I just typed that sentence!!) (lol) It will be the Star Wars trilogy for her generation. My wife and I couldn't have children for a very long time, then all of a sudden we got pregnant with our little girl. I had regretted not having any kids to enjoy this stuff with, and now I'm going to have the opportunity at last to have fun with it all with my little girl. I can't wait.

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At this point there doesn't seem to be any franchise that is sacred where lotsa money is involved or could be at stake....Star W, GI Joe, Transformers, LOTR, Marvel, DC, Terminator, Predator, Voltron, Thundercats, ect. most anything is for sale including our favorite commercial childhood memories......it was just a matter of time before Star Wars picked up again. Hell they couldn't wait to re-introduce Indiana Jones and at this point the Hollywood Types aren't interested in what we find kool or accurate. They have test audiences w/money to spend and children to buy toyz for to please. It's like that point where Vegas, NFL, NBA, WNBA, WWF realized that if you include the whole family then you can reap 4 times the profits for all those involved....at this point we just have to cross our fingers and hope whatever comes next is a fun ride for our inner children & our own childrens....I don't think another Star Wars Movie is necessary but as w/every generation there will always be new heroes and villains waiting for their stories to be told....

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I guess I'll be THAT GUY and go ahead and play the Avengers card since no one else has yet. That movie came out under the Disney banner and was an all around croud pleaser. They got creators and actors who were IN TO the material and they put good work into it, turned out good product. I don't see why that can't happen with SW.

 

 

The same goes for Pixar. The company refused to do a Toy Story 3, so Disney made an in-house studio to make one. The original story was somewhat a rehash of the original. Anyway, when Disney bought Pixar, they announced that Pixar will do Toy Story 3. The in-house one was cancelled. They announced that the guy in charged of the Disney is the guy who made the Pixar films. I think I was iffy with the news that Disney bought Pixar considering how they fought in the past. That was until Arrow, who used to post here, told me it was a good thing since the buy out and the announcement that the Pixar director leads the Disney animation dept would give Pixar more control than before. He was right. Toy Story 3 actually did well despite being under the Disney banner - I think it is the best out of the three.

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the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

 

I dont get it...i remember, look up, and spoon feed you a direct quote from the creator all this intellectual property to date, and you just keep going like you know better than even he does. Are you writing for the new films? Because it sounds like you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas and maybe 50% of all fandom.

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I'm wondering if this will have any kind of impact on Hasbro.

 

I was thinking about that as well, but given that Disney owns Marvel and Hasbro produces the majority of their toys, I'd say the things will probably just stay the same.

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the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

 

I dont get it...i remember, look up, and spoon feed you a direct quote from the creator all this intellectual property to date, and you just keep going like you know better than even he does. Are you writing for the new films? Because it sounds like you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas and maybe 50% of all fandom.

you don't get it because either you do not understand story and structure or are so confused by movies that you have no idea how to identify who the main characters are of a movie and a movie's plot unless you are told.

 

the rest of the movie going public can go see a movie and identify by the events of the movie who the main character is and what the plot is. and when watching Star Wars Anakin Skywalker is not the protagonist of any of the movies and the plots of the movies are not about him.

 

 

the Star Wars movies exist completely independent of anything George Lucas says. that is a fact. when you go to the theater and watch them, you aren't watching George Lucas' opinion, you are watching the events as they exist on film. what Lucas says is irrelevant, especially when what he says contradict the actual events of the movie.

 

so, either you are conceding that you have never watched a movie and were able to identify the plot of the movie and who the main character and the antagonists were, or you are conceding you can watch a movie and identify the plot and main character without being told. and if you can do the latter, what the writer says about it is irrelevant. the movie itself dictates who the main characters are and what the story is about, not the writer's opinion of it. like I said, Lucas may have intended the moves to be about Anakin, but the actual movies he made are not.

 

I don't get it. I made that point very clear and gave a simple example. it has nothing to do with knowing more about the property, it is simply about understanding what you have actually watched on screen. and the same ability it takes to watch Die Hard and know the plot is about terrorists taking over an office building and identifying that John McClane is the main character that the story is about, not Sgt. Powell, is the same ability that identifies that Anakin Skywalker is not the main character of Star Wars and who the story is about.

 

I am talking about the movies. you can talk about Lucas' intent, but it is completely meaningless.

 

or enlighten me. please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

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the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

 

I dont get it...i remember, look up, and spoon feed you a direct quote from the creator all this intellectual property to date, and you just keep going like you know better than even he does. Are you writing for the new films? Because it sounds like you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas and maybe 50% of all fandom.

you don't get it because either you do not understand story and structure or are so confused by movies that you have no idea how to identify who the main characters are of a movie and a movie's plot unless you are told.

 

the rest of the movie going public can go see a movie and identify by the events of the movie who the main character is and what the plot is. and when watching Star Wars Anakin Skywalker is not the protagonist of any of the movies and the plots of the movies are not about him.

 

 

the Star Wars movies exist completely independent of anything George Lucas says. that is a fact. when you go to the theater and watch them, you aren't watching George Lucas' opinion, you are watching the events as they exist on film. what Lucas says is irrelevant, especially when what he says contradict the actual events of the movie.

 

so, either you are conceding that you have never watched a movie and were able to identify the plot of the movie and who the main character and the antagonists were, or you are conceding you can watch a movie and identify the plot and main character without being told. and if you can do the latter, what the writer says about it is irrelevant. the movie itself dictates who the main characters are and what the story is about, not the writer's opinion of it. like I said, Lucas may have intended the moves to be about Anakin, but the actual movies he made are not.

 

I don't get it. I made that point very clear and gave a simple example. it has nothing to do with knowing more about the property, it is simply about understanding what you have actually watched on screen. and the same ability it takes to watch Die Hard and know the plot is about terrorists taking over an office building and identifying that John McClane is the main character that the story is about, not Sgt. Powell, is the same ability that identifies that Anakin Skywalker is not the main character of Star Wars and who the story is about.

 

I am talking about the movies. you can talk about Lucas' intent, but it is completely meaningless.

 

or enlighten me. please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

 

As much as I think Feat is overreacting over the announcement that Disney is buying Lucasarts, he is right in regards to the films being about Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker.

 

The original trilogy follows the Hero's (Luke) story where the Hero sets off to a journey to not only save the world, but to understand, and eventually save himself; Lucas used Joseph Campbell's monomyth, or the hero's journey, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#Freedom_to_Live) as the basis for the SW films. I watched an art history documentary about Star Wars and the Hero's Journey years ago.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#George_Lucas_and_Star_Wars

 

398px-Heroesjourney.svg.png

 

 

please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

I can easily explain this. Anakin also fits in the Hero's Journey mold, abeit his stages are in different lengths than his son. For instance, his death and rebirth is quite obvious - his death and rebirth, which leads to his transformation is his "death" as Anakin and his "rebirth" as Vader. His return (where it comes to full circle) is when the emperor tries to kill Luke. In that moment, Vader returns as Anakin and saves Luke's live.

 

The plot of the three prequel movies are Anakins call for adventure, the challenges and trials he faces as a jedi, and his transformation as Vader. Short story - the prequel films about Anakin becoming Vader; movie one is about Anakin's freedom of tatoonie and becoming a padawan. Movie two is his training as a Jedi, his little taste of the dark side, and trying to get in Padme's pants. Part 3 is his descent to the dark side and his transformation as Vader. That was the main reason behind the prequels; the films is basically an origin story of Darth Vader.

 

And Anakin isn't even the protagonist of the prequels. he is a supporting character like Han Solo in the OT. The protagonist propels the story, and the story of the prequels is about the Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute which turns into a much larger and more deadly conflict. Qui Gon is the protagonist of TPM, and Obi Won is the protagonist of the next two films, as he is the character actively pursuing the plot. Anakin is merely a sub plot of both films. sure, his story arc stretches across the prequels and the OT, but only as a sub plot (and not even a sub plot of the OT but just of ROTJ).

 

Remember that Qui Gon was added to the Phantom Menace later in pre-development. Like it or not, The Prequel films were all about Anakin becoming Vader, not Qui Gon and Obi Wan. Obi Wan isn't the main protagonist in any of the films. His role in the films is merely being the mentor to the protagonist (Anakin.) The whole Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute is a backdrop for Vader's story - Anakin isn't the subplot, but the Jedi's pursuit behind the trade dispute is. When I was a teen, I remember the number one reason everyone wanted to watch the prequel films was because the movies were about Vader slowly becoming Vader.

 

Why else is Anakin the only character ages in the prequels? It is to see him grow as Vader.

 

As for the trilogies, I have a feeling that they will be about Leia's and/or Luke's kids. There were rumors long ago when episodes 7,8, and 9 were films revolving around the Skywalker kids. Makes since it is continuing the Hero's Journey, but with new protagonist(s).

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the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

 

I dont get it...i remember, look up, and spoon feed you a direct quote from the creator all this intellectual property to date, and you just keep going like you know better than even he does. Are you writing for the new films? Because it sounds like you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas and maybe 50% of all fandom.

you don't get it because either you do not understand story and structure or are so confused by movies that you have no idea how to identify who the main characters are of a movie and a movie's plot unless you are told.

 

the rest of the movie going public can go see a movie and identify by the events of the movie who the main character is and what the plot is. and when watching Star Wars Anakin Skywalker is not the protagonist of any of the movies and the plots of the movies are not about him.

 

 

the Star Wars movies exist completely independent of anything George Lucas says. that is a fact. when you go to the theater and watch them, you aren't watching George Lucas' opinion, you are watching the events as they exist on film. what Lucas says is irrelevant, especially when what he says contradict the actual events of the movie.

 

so, either you are conceding that you have never watched a movie and were able to identify the plot of the movie and who the main character and the antagonists were, or you are conceding you can watch a movie and identify the plot and main character without being told. and if you can do the latter, what the writer says about it is irrelevant. the movie itself dictates who the main characters are and what the story is about, not the writer's opinion of it. like I said, Lucas may have intended the moves to be about Anakin, but the actual movies he made are not.

 

I don't get it. I made that point very clear and gave a simple example. it has nothing to do with knowing more about the property, it is simply about understanding what you have actually watched on screen. and the same ability it takes to watch Die Hard and know the plot is about terrorists taking over an office building and identifying that John McClane is the main character that the story is about, not Sgt. Powell, is the same ability that identifies that Anakin Skywalker is not the main character of Star Wars and who the story is about.

 

I am talking about the movies. you can talk about Lucas' intent, but it is completely meaningless.

 

or enlighten me. please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

 

As much as I think Feat is overreacting over the announcement that Disney is buying Lucasarts, he is right in regards to the films being about Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker.

 

The original trilogy follows the Hero's (Luke) story where the Hero sets off to a journey to not only save the world, but to understand, and eventually save himself; Lucas used Joseph Campbell's monomyth, or the hero's journey, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#Freedom_to_Live) as the basis for the SW films. I watched an art history documentary about Star Wars and the Hero's Journey years ago.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#George_Lucas_and_Star_Wars

 

398px-Heroesjourney.svg.png

 

 

please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

I can easily explain this. Anakin also fits in the Hero's Journey mold, abeit his stages are in different lengths than his son. For instance, his death and rebirth is quite obvious - his death and rebirth, which leads to his transformation is his "death" as Anakin and his "rebirth" as Vader. His return (where it comes to full circle) is when the emperor tries to kill Luke. In that moment, Vader returns as Anakin and saves Luke's live.

 

The plot of the three prequel movies are Anakins call for adventure, the challenges and trials he faces as a jedi, and his transformation as Vader. Short story - the prequel films about Anakin becoming Vader; movie one is about Anakin's freedom of tatoonie and becoming a padawan. Movie two is his training as a Jedi, his little taste of the dark side, and trying to get in Padme's pants. Part 3 is his descent to the dark side and his transformation as Vader. That was the main reason behind the prequels; the films is basically an origin story of Darth Vader.

 

And Anakin isn't even the protagonist of the prequels. he is a supporting character like Han Solo in the OT. The protagonist propels the story, and the story of the prequels is about the Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute which turns into a much larger and more deadly conflict. Qui Gon is the protagonist of TPM, and Obi Won is the protagonist of the next two films, as he is the character actively pursuing the plot. Anakin is merely a sub plot of both films. sure, his story arc stretches across the prequels and the OT, but only as a sub plot (and not even a sub plot of the OT but just of ROTJ).

 

Remember that Qui Gon was added to the Phantom Menace later in pre-development. Like it or not, The Prequel films were all about Anakin becoming Vader, not Qui Gon and Obi Wan. Obi Wan isn't the main protagonist in any of the films. His role in the films is merely being the mentor to the protagonist (Anakin.) The whole Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute is a backdrop for Vader's story - Anakin isn't the subplot, but the Jedi's pursuit behind the trade dispute is. When I was a teen, I remember the number one reason everyone wanted to watch the prequel films was because the movies were about Vader slowly becoming Vader.

 

Why else is Anakin the only character ages in the prequels? It is to see him grow as Vader.

 

As for the trilogies, I have a feeling that they will be about Leia's and/or Luke's kids. There were rumors long ago when episodes 7,8, and 9 were films revolving around the Skywalker kids. Makes since it is continuing the Hero's Journey, but with new protagonist(s).

 

YES! YES! To Doom Saber you listen!

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*this is Yoda. He plays an important part in, but is not the central focus of Star Wars.

 

this might help...http://www.amazon.com/Story-Darth-Vader-Reader-Level/dp/1405329734

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the movies are also the story of Han Solo, Princess Leia and Yoda, but that isn't the same as those characters being the main characters of the movies who the plots are about. and who the main characters that the plots are about aren't a matter of opinion, not even Lucas', they are based on the specifics of what the stories are and how they are told in regards to plot, protagonists, antagonists, etc. a writer can intend a character to be the main character but fail in writing him as it. and Lucas did not write a single Star Wars film with Anakin Skywalker as the protagonist of the plot, so his claim that the story is about Anakin has no validity to it. Anakin certainly has a story within the films, but if that was Lucas' intent he failed.

 

I dont get it...i remember, look up, and spoon feed you a direct quote from the creator all this intellectual property to date, and you just keep going like you know better than even he does. Are you writing for the new films? Because it sounds like you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas and maybe 50% of all fandom.

you don't get it because either you do not understand story and structure or are so confused by movies that you have no idea how to identify who the main characters are of a movie and a movie's plot unless you are told.

 

the rest of the movie going public can go see a movie and identify by the events of the movie who the main character is and what the plot is. and when watching Star Wars Anakin Skywalker is not the protagonist of any of the movies and the plots of the movies are not about him.

 

 

the Star Wars movies exist completely independent of anything George Lucas says. that is a fact. when you go to the theater and watch them, you aren't watching George Lucas' opinion, you are watching the events as they exist on film. what Lucas says is irrelevant, especially when what he says contradict the actual events of the movie.

 

so, either you are conceding that you have never watched a movie and were able to identify the plot of the movie and who the main character and the antagonists were, or you are conceding you can watch a movie and identify the plot and main character without being told. and if you can do the latter, what the writer says about it is irrelevant. the movie itself dictates who the main characters are and what the story is about, not the writer's opinion of it. like I said, Lucas may have intended the moves to be about Anakin, but the actual movies he made are not.

 

I don't get it. I made that point very clear and gave a simple example. it has nothing to do with knowing more about the property, it is simply about understanding what you have actually watched on screen. and the same ability it takes to watch Die Hard and know the plot is about terrorists taking over an office building and identifying that John McClane is the main character that the story is about, not Sgt. Powell, is the same ability that identifies that Anakin Skywalker is not the main character of Star Wars and who the story is about.

 

I am talking about the movies. you can talk about Lucas' intent, but it is completely meaningless.

 

or enlighten me. please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

 

As much as I think Feat is overreacting over the announcement that Disney is buying Lucasarts, he is right in regards to the films being about Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker.

 

The original trilogy follows the Hero's (Luke) story where the Hero sets off to a journey to not only save the world, but to understand, and eventually save himself; Lucas used Joseph Campbell's monomyth, or the hero's journey, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#Freedom_to_Live) as the basis for the SW films. I watched an art history documentary about Star Wars and the Hero's Journey years ago.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_hero%27s_journey#George_Lucas_and_Star_Wars

 

398px-Heroesjourney.svg.png

 

 

please explain what the plot of the three prequels are and how Anakin Skywalker is the protagonist of those films (who the films are about). go ahead.

 

I can easily explain this. Anakin also fits in the Hero's Journey mold, abeit his stages are in different lengths than his son. For instance, his death and rebirth is quite obvious - his death and rebirth, which leads to his transformation is his "death" as Anakin and his "rebirth" as Vader. His return (where it comes to full circle) is when the emperor tries to kill Luke. In that moment, Vader returns as Anakin and saves Luke's live.

 

The plot of the three prequel movies are Anakins call for adventure, the challenges and trials he faces as a jedi, and his transformation as Vader. Short story - the prequel films about Anakin becoming Vader; movie one is about Anakin's freedom of tatoonie and becoming a padawan. Movie two is his training as a Jedi, his little taste of the dark side, and trying to get in Padme's pants. Part 3 is his descent to the dark side and his transformation as Vader. That was the main reason behind the prequels; the films is basically an origin story of Darth Vader.

 

And Anakin isn't even the protagonist of the prequels. he is a supporting character like Han Solo in the OT. The protagonist propels the story, and the story of the prequels is about the Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute which turns into a much larger and more deadly conflict. Qui Gon is the protagonist of TPM, and Obi Won is the protagonist of the next two films, as he is the character actively pursuing the plot. Anakin is merely a sub plot of both films. sure, his story arc stretches across the prequels and the OT, but only as a sub plot (and not even a sub plot of the OT but just of ROTJ).

 

Remember that Qui Gon was added to the Phantom Menace later in pre-development. Like it or not, The Prequel films were all about Anakin becoming Vader, not Qui Gon and Obi Wan. Obi Wan isn't the main protagonist in any of the films. His role in the films is merely being the mentor to the protagonist (Anakin.) The whole Jedi's pursuit of who is behind the trade dispute is a backdrop for Vader's story - Anakin isn't the subplot, but the Jedi's pursuit behind the trade dispute is. When I was a teen, I remember the number one reason everyone wanted to watch the prequel films was because the movies were about Vader slowly becoming Vader.

 

Why else is Anakin the only character ages in the prequels? It is to see him grow as Vader.

 

As for the trilogies, I have a feeling that they will be about Leia's and/or Luke's kids. There were rumors long ago when episodes 7,8, and 9 were films revolving around the Skywalker kids. Makes since it is continuing the Hero's Journey, but with new protagonist(s).

I certainly appreciate your well thought out argument, but it suffers from one fatal flaw -- the hero's journey is not exclusive to just the main character of a story, even if it is predominantly used just for the main character. that is simply a choice of the storyteller. but if a story has a rich enough subplot for a supporting character, that supporting character can have his own hero's journey as well. the issue is that most stories do not create such rich subplots because the "space" for the story is limited and the focus is on the major conflict of the story. the Star Wars prequels, on the other hand, because it stretches over three films, has the space to do so, and it does.

 

so the existence of the hero's journey does not define who the protagonist of the story is.

 

beyond that, your assertion that the plot of the prequels is about a young slave that escapes and becomes an evil Sith Lord is incorrect. First you have to look at the films individually for their individual plots, and then identify who is the main character within those plots that is seeking to solve the problem. you have started with a character in mind as the protagonist and then simply stated his journey is the plot of the films. you have it backwards.

 

The Phantom Menace's plot is not about a slave boy that is rescued, which is Anakin's story in the movie. The plot is the Jedi's investigation of the trade dispute that leads them to the discovery of the Sith. And it is that plot that grows throughout all three films, culminating in the Sith's plan to destroy the Jedi. the protagonist of that plot in TPM is Qui Gon, not Anakin. Anakin is a supporting character in this movie whose story is just a subplot.

 

Attack of the Clones is about the further investigation of the events of the first film which leads to the discovery of the Clones of the title. The protagonist of that story is Obi Won. Anakin's role in the film is to protect Padme, who he in turn falls in love with, which is, again, just the subplot of the actual conflict -- the Jedi's versus the separatist. plots are defined by the conflicts of the story, and although Anakin has internal conflict as a character it is not the actual conflict of the story being told.

 

Revenge of the Sith's plot is about the Jedi's continued fight with the Separatists, which culminates with Palpatine finally unveiling his master plan and destroying the Jedi. again, Obi Won is the protagonist of this story, with Anakin's journey to the dark side a subplot of it. now, it is a major subplot, but a subplot none the less.

 

The plot of the prequels are not Anakin's journey. no description of any of the prequels plots actually discuss primarily any element of Aankin's hero journey, it is always about the Jedi's and the conflict of the Separatists, and then Anakin's subplot is mentioned.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_(narrative)

Plot is the series of events that occur in a cause and effect pattern, with rising action and a climax. that is the Jedi versus Separatist conflict in the prequels.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subplot

Subplots are side stories that exist alongside the main plot, and even connect to it. that is Anakin's journey in the prequels. Specifically:

 

"Subplots are distinguished from the main plot by taking up less of the action, having less significant events occur, with less impact on the 'world' of the work, and occurring to less important characters.

 

the main action of the prequels is not Anakin's journey. that takes up far less of the movies than the Jedi's investigation and conflict with the Separatists, thus is inherently the subplot. this is why you have to start with identifying the plots, not simply the concept of the Hero's Journey, because the main plot involves the main character, which is not Anakin. Sideous did not need Anakin to execute Order 66 and execute the Jedi's. he had everyone in place before hand and the majority of the Jedi's were not executed by or because of Anakin. you can eliminate Anakin ever becoming Vader in ROTS and still have the rest of the events occur, further proof of the lack of significance to the overall plot and why it is the subplot and thus Anakin not the protagonist.

 

 

beyond that, the easiest way to determine who the main character is which character's journey reveals the conflict and the plot to the audience. In the prequels it is not Anakin, because his journey only reveals to the audience his personal journey, not the plot and the conflict of the Separatits vs the Jedi.

 

this is in complete contrast to the original prequels, in which the audience discovers the plot about the Rebels vs the Empire through Luke Skywalker.

 

again, good discussion.

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