Bruce Timm's DC Animated Universe

[Dick_Grayson]

I was wondering what you guys thought about Mr. Timm's take on the DC Universe?

 

What did you love about it?

 

What did you hate about it?

 

What was your favorite show?

 

Please share your thoughts in general, about his portrayal of the DC Universe.

[RockthePlank]

Is there anything that can be said about Batman The Animated Series that has not been said? That is THE Batman cartoon and Kevin Conroy IS Batman (with Mark Hammil being the definitive Joker) Everything about the show was great! Visually it was incredibly enticing, with a good mix of modern advances while still keeping that 1930's feel that Gotham should have. The opening credit sequence to the show set the mood perfectly, not one word is spoken, nothing but an incredible score and fast paced action. I cannot think of any other Batman, or DC cartoon for that matter, that could hold a candle to this show. Best. Batman. Ever.

[jjlecaros]

Batman and jlu are the best represntations out there. All the animated movies are better the the dc films except for the last 2 batmans

[RockthePlank]

Batman and jlu are the best represntations out there. All the animated movies are better the the dc films except for the last 2 batmans

 

I dunno man, Mask of the Phatasm was just as good as either Batman movie, if not a little better then Batman Begins

[featofstrength]

 

 

I dunno man, Mask of the Phatasm was just as good as either Batman movie, if not a little better then Batman Begins

 

Agreed. and I would say better than Begins as far as origin stories go.

[Lady Jaye]

BTAS was perfect, until they switched designs!! I mean WTF, a bodyless Mr. Freeze?? The only good re-design was Penguin!!

 

But before, the story's, setting, characters, everything was perfect!!! In fact, let me go pop in my DVD, feelin nostalgic!!!

 

don't know what it was, but never got into the Supes show!! I think a hero is only as good as his villains!! Superman needs better villains??

 

Never saw JLU in it's first run, don't have cable!! I think they need to broaden appeal of new cartoons by airing them on major networks and not cable!!!

[RockthePlank]

I never had a chance to watch JLU but I always thought it looked interesting. I have seen an episode here or there, but not enough to make a judement call. I wish netflix would go ahead and release BTAS and JLU on streaming...

[Wheeljack35]

I get the retro channel in my area so I get to see Masters of the Universe and She-Ra.While watching the end crdits on MOTU I was surprised to see that Bruce Timm also worked on MOTU also

[Dick_Grayson]

I get the retro channel in my area so I get to see Masters of the Universe and She-Ra.While watching the end crdits on MOTU I was surprised to see that Bruce Timm also worked on MOTU also

 

Yea he actually got his start with Filmation.

[JayCueBatman]

Is there anything that can be said about Batman The Animated Series that has not been said? That is THE Batman cartoon and Kevin Conroy IS Batman (with Mark Hammil being the definitive Joker) Everything about the show was great! Visually it was incredibly enticing, with a good mix of modern advances while still keeping that 1930's feel that Gotham should have. The opening credit sequence to the show set the mood perfectly, not one word is spoken, nothing but an incredible score and fast paced action. I cannot think of any other Batman, or DC cartoon for that matter, that could hold a candle to this show. Best. Batman. Ever.

 

 

Could not have put it any better myself! TNBA was to be my favorite...check out Over the Edge, and Old Wounds. 2 of the BEST Batman Episodes IMO besides the BTAS Season 1

[Lady Jaye]

My all time favorite episode is "Beware the Grey Ghost."

[Superpowers1980]

I was wondering what you guys thought about Mr. Timm's take on the DC Universe?

 

What did you love about it?

 

What did you hate about it?

 

What was your favorite show?

 

Please share your thoughts in general, about his portrayal of the DC Universe.

 

Timm's universe is awesome, he has made animated movies that are better than the live films which says a whole lot. He took the material serious and made it so that adults and kids could be taken in. All his shows have stood the test of time.

 

The one thing I do not like is how the animated shows don't gel together, I wish all the animated shows and movies were in one continuity but they are not.

 

My fav show hands down is JLU. Sorry guys but the last two seasons of JLU exceed Batman TAS

 

I think he handled the DCU with the respect it deserves, DC is a rich company and its characters are amazing and he took the material and brought all it had to offer forward. DC had been muted by the "marvel is more realistic" crap and he shattered that barrier completely.

[featofstrength]

Could not have put it any better myself! TNBA was to be my favorite...check out Over the Edge, and Old Wounds. 2 of the BEST Batman Episodes IMO besides the BTAS Season 1

 

Over the Edge was great...loved the Scarecrow redesign. He was pretty creepy.

 

 

What is everyones least favorite episode of the series?

 

Id say The Terrible Trio. Sure it was doing an old school story right from the books, but it just didnt work. The mystery of 3 rich socialites masquerading as 3 animal headed crooks...and it took Batman that long to figure it out? kind of an insult to the World's Greatest Detective's intelligence. The animation was real crappy in that one, too

[Dick_Grayson]

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree he did a great job with the animated universe in terms of animation, voice actors that he used, and most of the writing on the shows. But here is where the irony comes in with me.... Dick Grayson is my favorite character of all time, its a childhood attachment that I have with that character. But my second favorite has always been Superman. Sometimes I get annoyed when everything in DC usually becomes about "Bruce Wayne/the Batman"....

 

Ive always liked Superman more than the Batman. I like Batman's world, because I kind of have to...since Grayson is from that world-- and Richard is pretty much Bruce's kid. I was a big fan of BTAS and still am to this day. But some of the things that I didn't like was how Timm handled the portrayal for Superman... I don't mean the voicing or animation, I think the voicing was great for both Daly and Newbern. But I do prefer Daly's take on the character a lot more. The animation was great (they could have given him blue eyes though, like they did Bruce in the New Bats Adventures). But I didn't like that Superman was portrayed like some push-over p*ssy... I also didnt like that Grayson was never seen again after the New Bats Adventures...with only a few blink and miss, shots on JL/JLU, and that his and Bruce's relationship wasn't mended.... I also missed the animation quality of BTAS, when New Bats Adventures adapted a different kind.

 

But what I really didn't like the most about the DCAU was that Timm centered almost all of the DCAU, around Bruce Wayne/The Batman... Look at the cartoons, Batman has had a bunch of animations made exclusively about him, while Superman and other characters just get one or two series tops. Look at the JL/JLU cartoon, Batman was always portrayed as being the one with all the answers... He was portrayed as being the smartest, the toughest, and the most special out of the whole league. Batman seemed to be getting all the action too, since he was getting all the p*ssy in the DCAU-- Batman was a true meaning of the word "cherry picker"....if there ever was one. Bruce Wayne got to date Lois Lane, while Superman ended up with the sloppy seconds. It was also implied that Wonder Woman and Batman had something.... I think that he even got to date Barbara Gordon in the DCAU, but I could be wrong on that one... From my understanding Lois never dated Bruce in the comics, and Wonder Woman has always been attracted to Superman... Being that "Superman is the only male that she sees different from the rest" shes said like that once in the comics... That's like if Superman started banging Catwoman, or Talia Al Ghul...it would just never happen... Batman even got the last camera shot, at the end of the JLU/DCAU finale...haha. Even with the way that Bats would act all bossy, even towards Superman with his "Kent, I need you-- Now!" Man if Batman ever spoke to Golden Age or any other pre-crisis Superman that way-- Batman would've gotten a hard smack on the mouth from Superman.... It was always implied in the "Pre-Frank Miller" comics and in the old school animations, that Superman was the leader of the Justice League...with Batman and Wonder Woman being his second in command.

 

Why is everything in the DC universe, Animated universe, toy lines, movies, and comics, other media always have to lead back to Batman??? Just look at the comic book world of the past 25 years-- its always "Batman can beat Superman" or "Batman is the smartest hero", or "Batman is the best fighter" or "Batman is unbeatable".... And Superman just gets tossed to the side like "oh he just has super powers, but that's it..." as if that's all that Superman brings to the table.

 

I understand that Bats is Mr. Timm's favorite comic book character, but if he was going to create the DCAU-- then there should have been more of a balance among the characters. I know that many people seem to favor Batman the most, out of all the DCU characters... But In my opinion the Bruce Wayne/Batman is not the be all and all of DC Superheroes... Not everything should be centered around Batman all the time, there should be a balance among all characters. Mr. Timm created and was in charge of the DCAU... He had every right to handle it his way... But I just wanted to share some of my opinions on his DCAU.

[Lady Jaye]

It's just oversaturation, exactly like Wolverine for Marvel Comics!!! People prefer dark heroes!!

 

Growing up Wolverine was one of my faves, but then they just put him In everything!! It got annoying!!!

 

I presume that's how u feel about Bats!!

[Dick_Grayson]

It's just oversaturation, exactly like Wolverine for Marvel Comics!!! People prefer dark heroes!!

 

Growing up Wolverine was one of my faves, but then they just put him In everything!! It got annoying!!!

 

I presume that's how u feel about Bats!!

 

Exactly. Dont get me wrong I love the Batman too-- he was one of the earliest characters that I was exposed to as a toddler. But it gets old after a while, when you see the same character always being the one to fix everything, all the time. The one thats always portrayed as the one that no one can outsmart or beat... And the one that's portrayed as having no weaknesses, other than he's a human being (which his being human can go either way as a pro or a con). It just gets stale, when you have hundreds of heroes, but yet the Batman is always portrayed as being the center of it all.

[JayCueBatman]

but yet the Batman is always portrayed as being the center of it all.

 

 

Because he is, and is that bad arse!

[CaptainTriumph]

I loved the JLU and would have liked to seen atleast another 13 episodes before it ended.

[Toysniper]

My Favorite episode or show out of Bruce Timm's Universe is my introduction to The Question!

 

I never really heard of him until I saw him on JLU and once I saw him I did some research on him because he was cool as hell. I loved the whole conspiracy thing with Cadmus and his showdown with Lex Luthor was PRICELESS!!! When he told off Superman in the Watchtower it was awesome too! The Question was just as good as or better than Batman at getting to the bottom of some sh*t! The relationship he developed with The Huntress was a nice touch also.

[Superpowers1980]

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree he did a great job with the animated universe in terms of animation, voice actors that he used, and most of the writing on the shows. But here is where the irony comes in with me.... Dick Grayson is my favorite character of all time, its a childhood attachment that I have with that character. But my second favorite has always been Superman. Sometimes I get annoyed when everything in DC usually becomes about "Bruce Wayne/the Batman"....

 

Ive always liked Superman more than the Batman. I like Batman's world, because I kind of have to...since Grayson is from that world-- and Richard is pretty much Bruce's kid. I was a big fan of BTAS and still am to this day. But some of the things that I didn't like was how Timm handled the portrayal for Superman... I don't mean the voicing or animation, I think the voicing was great for both Daly and Newbern. But I do prefer Daly's take on the character a lot more. The animation was great (they could have given him blue eyes though, like they did Bruce in the New Bats Adventures). But I didn't like that Superman was portrayed like some push-over p*ssy... I also didnt like that Grayson was never seen again after the New Bats Adventures...with only a few blink and miss, shots on JL/JLU, and that his and Bruce's relationship wasn't mended.... I also missed the animation quality of BTAS, when New Bats Adventures adapted a different kind.

 

But what I really didn't like the most about the DCAU was that Timm centered almost all of the DCAU, around Bruce Wayne/The Batman... Look at the cartoons, Batman has had a bunch of animations made exclusively about him, while Superman and other characters just get one or two series tops. Look at the JL/JLU cartoon, Batman was always portrayed as being the one with all the answers... He was portrayed as being the smartest, the toughest, and the most special out of the whole league. Batman seemed to be getting all the action too, since he was getting all the p*ssy in the DCAU-- Batman was a true meaning of the word "cherry picker"....if there ever was one. Bruce Wayne got to date Lois Lane, while Superman ended up with the sloppy seconds. It was also implied that Wonder Woman and Batman had something.... I think that he even got to date Barbara Gordon in the DCAU, but I could be wrong on that one... From my understanding Lois never dated Bruce in the comics, and Wonder Woman has always been attracted to Superman... Being that "Superman is the only male that she sees different from the rest" shes said like that once in the comics... That's like if Superman started banging Catwoman, or Talia Al Ghul...it would just never happen... Batman even got the last camera shot, at the end of the JLU/DCAU finale...haha. Even with the way that Bats would act all bossy, even towards Superman with his "Kent, I need you-- Now!" Man if Batman ever spoke to Golden Age or any other pre-crisis Superman that way-- Batman would've gotten a hard smack on the mouth from Superman.... It was always implied in the "Pre-Frank Miller" comics and in the old school animations, that Superman was the leader of the Justice League...with Batman and Wonder Woman being his second in command.

 

Why is everything in the DC universe, Animated universe, toy lines, movies, and comics, other media always have to lead back to Batman??? Just look at the comic book world of the past 25 years-- its always "Batman can beat Superman" or "Batman is the smartest hero", or "Batman is the best fighter" or "Batman is unbeatable".... And Superman just gets tossed to the side like "oh he just has super powers, but that's it..." as if that's all that Superman brings to the table.

 

I understand that Bats is Mr. Timm's favorite comic book character, but if he was going to create the DCAU-- then there should have been more of a balance among the characters. I know that many people seem to favor Batman the most, out of all the DCU characters... But In my opinion the Bruce Wayne/Batman is not the be all and all of DC Superheroes... Not everything should be centered around Batman all the time, there should be a balance among all characters. Mr. Timm created and was in charge of the DCAU... He had every right to handle it his way... But I just wanted to share some of my opinions on his DCAU.

 

I agree with how Superman was handled, I think they did good at times but Batman really did dominate when he wanted. To be fair though I would say the final episode of JLU was all about Superman really, in the end Batman can't get over on Darkseid, heck Luthor was the one who managed to stop it all. In a real contest Superman would smear Batman across the planet, because 1 Superman isn't stupid or some yokel.......if he can take on Luthor who is arguable smarter than Batman just more reckless then he certainly can deal with Batman's high intellect, 2 he has the power to simply fly in space, scope out Batman and melt him into a pile of ash. You are right though, in the Golden Age of comics Superman was the stuff and Batman fell in line just like the rest, if not more so. I don't like the idea of WW dating Batman either but there is a nice comic where they teased the idea and WW went into this dream machine to see the possibilities of their relationship and it wasn't worth going through it. Nice as a tease but WW and Superman have always been.

[JayCueBatman]

I think Superman TAS was pretty good. The cross overs were boss...ie Knight Time when Bruce is taken over by Brainiacs nanites and Supes steps in as Batman along with Tim.

 

Truth be told yes pound for pound there is no contest between Supes and Bats powers or strength wise. But thats never the argument as pointed out by Superpowers1980. Batmans true power is in his ability to have a back up plan to back up his back up plan. Also Batman studies his friends and foes (ie Brother Eye) knows what makes them tick and can expoit it when needed. I think Lex and Bruce have a soild similar interlect, Lex may be alittle more advanced by toe to toe Bruce can take him. Lex's cockyness is what is his achillies heel. Bruce knows his and protects it at all cost.

 

Even Batman's Rouges know he will not take a life and that would seem to always one up them to him.

 

WW and Bats as an item only makes sense because Supes will not EVER leave Lois. IMO Selena and Bruce make a MUCH better item, but i digress. Just like everyone wants Dick and Babs to be together but i say Dick and Kori (Starfire) made more sense.

 

The New 52 will (hopefully) spin some new life on some stagnant characters and possibly sweep some bad arcs under the rug and kick start all of imaginations once again!

[apocalypse484]

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree he did a great job with the animated universe in terms of animation, voice actors that he used, and most of the writing on the shows. But here is where the irony comes in with me.... Dick Grayson is my favorite character of all time, its a childhood attachment that I have with that character. But my second favorite has always been Superman. Sometimes I get annoyed when everything in DC usually becomes about "Bruce Wayne/the Batman"....

 

Ive always liked Superman more than the Batman. I like Batman's world, because I kind of have to...since Grayson is from that world-- and Richard is pretty much Bruce's kid. I was a big fan of BTAS and still am to this day. But some of the things that I didn't like was how Timm handled the portrayal for Superman... I don't mean the voicing or animation, I think the voicing was great for both Daly and Newbern. But I do prefer Daly's take on the character a lot more. The animation was great (they could have given him blue eyes though, like they did Bruce in the New Bats Adventures). But I didn't like that Superman was portrayed like some push-over p*ssy... I also didnt like that Grayson was never seen again after the New Bats Adventures...with only a few blink and miss, shots on JL/JLU, and that his and Bruce's relationship wasn't mended.... I also missed the animation quality of BTAS, when New Bats Adventures adapted a different kind.

 

But what I really didn't like the most about the DCAU was that Timm centered almost all of the DCAU, around Bruce Wayne/The Batman... Look at the cartoons, Batman has had a bunch of animations made exclusively about him, while Superman and other characters just get one or two series tops. Look at the JL/JLU cartoon, Batman was always portrayed as being the one with all the answers... He was portrayed as being the smartest, the toughest, and the most special out of the whole league. Batman seemed to be getting all the action too, since he was getting all the p*ssy in the DCAU-- Batman was a true meaning of the word "cherry picker"....if there ever was one. Bruce Wayne got to date Lois Lane, while Superman ended up with the sloppy seconds. It was also implied that Wonder Woman and Batman had something.... I think that he even got to date Barbara Gordon in the DCAU, but I could be wrong on that one... From my understanding Lois never dated Bruce in the comics, and Wonder Woman has always been attracted to Superman... Being that "Superman is the only male that she sees different from the rest" shes said like that once in the comics... That's like if Superman started banging Catwoman, or Talia Al Ghul...it would just never happen... Batman even got the last camera shot, at the end of the JLU/DCAU finale...haha. Even with the way that Bats would act all bossy, even towards Superman with his "Kent, I need you-- Now!" Man if Batman ever spoke to Golden Age or any other pre-crisis Superman that way-- Batman would've gotten a hard smack on the mouth from Superman.... It was always implied in the "Pre-Frank Miller" comics and in the old school animations, that Superman was the leader of the Justice League...with Batman and Wonder Woman being his second in command.

 

Why is everything in the DC universe, Animated universe, toy lines, movies, and comics, other media always have to lead back to Batman??? Just look at the comic book world of the past 25 years-- its always "Batman can beat Superman" or "Batman is the smartest hero", or "Batman is the best fighter" or "Batman is unbeatable".... And Superman just gets tossed to the side like "oh he just has super powers, but that's it..." as if that's all that Superman brings to the table.

 

I understand that Bats is Mr. Timm's favorite comic book character, but if he was going to create the DCAU-- then there should have been more of a balance among the characters. I know that many people seem to favor Batman the most, out of all the DCU characters... But In my opinion the Bruce Wayne/Batman is not the be all and all of DC Superheroes... Not everything should be centered around Batman all the time, there should be a balance among all characters. Mr. Timm created and was in charge of the DCAU... He had every right to handle it his way... But I just wanted to share some of my opinions on his DCAU.

 

I think after a while they fell on the formula that if the villain and or menace could take out Superman at the beginning of JL episode, then they were a real theat. In this process they didn't realize they were making him look weak. BTAS was my favorite piece of Bruce Timm's work though. As far as Superman in the comics. I really got into him a couple years ago after rereading The death of Superman. I thought it showed that his will was just as strong as Batman or even Green Lantern.

[Dick_Grayson]

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree he did a great job with the animated universe in terms of animation, voice actors that he used, and most of the writing on the shows. But here is where the irony comes in with me.... Dick Grayson is my favorite character of all time, its a childhood attachment that I have with that character. But my second favorite has always been Superman. Sometimes I get annoyed when everything in DC usually becomes about "Bruce Wayne/the Batman"....

 

Ive always liked Superman more than the Batman. I like Batman's world, because I kind of have to...since Grayson is from that world-- and Richard is pretty much Bruce's kid. I was a big fan of BTAS and still am to this day. But some of the things that I didn't like was how Timm handled the portrayal for Superman... I don't mean the voicing or animation, I think the voicing was great for both Daly and Newbern. But I do prefer Daly's take on the character a lot more. The animation was great (they could have given him blue eyes though, like they did Bruce in the New Bats Adventures). But I didn't like that Superman was portrayed like some push-over p*ssy... I also didnt like that Grayson was never seen again after the New Bats Adventures...with only a few blink and miss, shots on JL/JLU, and that his and Bruce's relationship wasn't mended.... I also missed the animation quality of BTAS, when New Bats Adventures adapted a different kind.

 

But what I really didn't like the most about the DCAU was that Timm centered almost all of the DCAU, around Bruce Wayne/The Batman... Look at the cartoons, Batman has had a bunch of animations made exclusively about him, while Superman and other characters just get one or two series tops. Look at the JL/JLU cartoon, Batman was always portrayed as being the one with all the answers... He was portrayed as being the smartest, the toughest, and the most special out of the whole league. Batman seemed to be getting all the action too, since he was getting all the p*ssy in the DCAU-- Batman was a true meaning of the word "cherry picker"....if there ever was one. Bruce Wayne got to date Lois Lane, while Superman ended up with the sloppy seconds. It was also implied that Wonder Woman and Batman had something.... I think that he even got to date Barbara Gordon in the DCAU, but I could be wrong on that one... From my understanding Lois never dated Bruce in the comics, and Wonder Woman has always been attracted to Superman... Being that "Superman is the only male that she sees different from the rest" shes said like that once in the comics... That's like if Superman started banging Catwoman, or Talia Al Ghul...it would just never happen... Batman even got the last camera shot, at the end of the JLU/DCAU finale...haha. Even with the way that Bats would act all bossy, even towards Superman with his "Kent, I need you-- Now!" Man if Batman ever spoke to Golden Age or any other pre-crisis Superman that way-- Batman would've gotten a hard smack on the mouth from Superman.... It was always implied in the "Pre-Frank Miller" comics and in the old school animations, that Superman was the leader of the Justice League...with Batman and Wonder Woman being his second in command.

 

Why is everything in the DC universe, Animated universe, toy lines, movies, and comics, other media always have to lead back to Batman??? Just look at the comic book world of the past 25 years-- its always "Batman can beat Superman" or "Batman is the smartest hero", or "Batman is the best fighter" or "Batman is unbeatable".... And Superman just gets tossed to the side like "oh he just has super powers, but that's it..." as if that's all that Superman brings to the table.

 

I understand that Bats is Mr. Timm's favorite comic book character, but if he was going to create the DCAU-- then there should have been more of a balance among the characters. I know that many people seem to favor Batman the most, out of all the DCU characters... But In my opinion the Bruce Wayne/Batman is not the be all and all of DC Superheroes... Not everything should be centered around Batman all the time, there should be a balance among all characters. Mr. Timm created and was in charge of the DCAU... He had every right to handle it his way... But I just wanted to share some of my opinions on his DCAU.

 

I agree with how Superman was handled, I think they did good at times but Batman really did dominate when he wanted. To be fair though I would say the final episode of JLU was all about Superman really, in the end Batman can't get over on Darkseid, heck Luthor was the one who managed to stop it all. In a real contest Superman would smear Batman across the planet, because 1 Superman isn't stupid or some yokel.......if he can take on Luthor who is arguable smarter than Batman just more reckless then he certainly can deal with Batman's high intellect, 2 he has the power to simply fly in space, scope out Batman and melt him into a pile of ash. You are right though, in the Golden Age of comics Superman was the stuff and Batman fell in line just like the rest, if not more so. I don't like the idea of WW dating Batman either but there is a nice comic where they teased the idea and WW went into this dream machine to see the possibilities of their relationship and it wasn't worth going through it. Nice as a tease but WW and Superman have always been.

 

I couldn't agree more with you on everything that you said.

 

To be fair though I would say the final episode of JLU was all about Superman really

 

Haha what I ment about the last episode, was that the camera literally eased out into dark while focusing on the Batman running towards it. I don't know if that was symbolic of Timm and his people, just implying that the DCAU came full circle-- since it started with BTAS. I dont know maybe I'm just getting Batty, and I'm just over-analyzing... Many years in the Bat-cave will do that to someone...

 

 

Batman can't get over on Darkseid, heck Luthor was the one who managed to stop it all. In a real contest Superman would smear Batman across the planet, because 1 Superman isn't stupid or some yokel.......if he can take on Luthor who is arguable smarter than Batman just more reckless then he certainly can deal with Batman's high intellect, 2 he has the power to simply fly in space, scope out Batman and melt him into a pile of ash.

 

Its interesting that you say that about Luthor, cause Ive always thought about it this way too. Ive always seen Luthor as an evil version of Bruce Wayne, or what Bruce would have been, if he had been a bad guy. Both Luthor and Wayne are businessmen so wealthy, that they fart money. Both own their own corporations. Both have access to all kinds of gadgets and toys. But Luthor IS smarter than Bruce Wayne-- Luthor is on the genius level of intellect...even though Bruce is not too far behind him. But the difference between them is, that Luthor is a coward at heart, and Bruce isn't. And yes Superman would be picking pieces of Batman's brains, out of his finger nails-- if they ever threw down...hand to hand.

 

 

Golden Age of comics Superman was the stuff and Batman fell in line just like the rest, if not more so.

 

You can say that again brother. GA Superman didn't f*ck around-- he was a man's man. But he was a hot-head when he didn't get his way.... He would cause all kinds of disasters, until he got his way. And characters did fall in line, when it came to him-- if not, then they would be put in line by him. He also wasn't PC, he would put female characters in their place if he had to as well. Just read Superman #1 which is basically just a rehash of Action Comics #1...he threatens to beat a female villain, after she keeps attacking him. Ironically he does save a battered wife, from her husband...in the same issue. haha.

[Dick_Grayson]

I think Superman TAS was pretty good. The cross overs were boss...ie Knight Time when Bruce is taken over by Brainiacs nanites and Supes steps in as Batman along with Tim.

 

Truth be told yes pound for pound there is no contest between Supes and Bats powers or strength wise. But thats never the argument as pointed out by Superpowers1980. Batmans true power is in his ability to have a back up plan to back up his back up plan. Also Batman studies his friends and foes (ie Brother Eye) knows what makes them tick and can expoit it when needed. I think Lex and Bruce have a soild similar interlect, Lex may be alittle more advanced by toe to toe Bruce can take him. Lex's cockyness is what is his achillies heel. Bruce knows his and protects it at all cost.

 

Even Batman's Rouges know he will not take a life and that would seem to always one up them to him.

 

WW and Bats as an item only makes sense because Supes will not EVER leave Lois. IMO Selena and Bruce make a MUCH better item, but i digress. Just like everyone wants Dick and Babs to be together but i say Dick and Kori (Starfire) made more sense.

 

I agree.

 

Batmans true power is in his ability to have a back up plan to back up his back up plan. Also Batman studies his friends and foes (ie Brother Eye) knows what makes them tick and can expoit it when needed.

 

Yea man no kidding. Just look at Tower Of Babel...they booted his ass from the team, because of that...haha.

[Dick_Grayson]

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree he did a great job with the animated universe in terms of animation, voice actors that he used, and most of the writing on the shows. But here is where the irony comes in with me.... Dick Grayson is my favorite character of all time, its a childhood attachment that I have with that character. But my second favorite has always been Superman. Sometimes I get annoyed when everything in DC usually becomes about "Bruce Wayne/the Batman"....

 

Ive always liked Superman more than the Batman. I like Batman's world, because I kind of have to...since Grayson is from that world-- and Richard is pretty much Bruce's kid. I was a big fan of BTAS and still am to this day. But some of the things that I didn't like was how Timm handled the portrayal for Superman... I don't mean the voicing or animation, I think the voicing was great for both Daly and Newbern. But I do prefer Daly's take on the character a lot more. The animation was great (they could have given him blue eyes though, like they did Bruce in the New Bats Adventures). But I didn't like that Superman was portrayed like some push-over p*ssy... I also didnt like that Grayson was never seen again after the New Bats Adventures...with only a few blink and miss, shots on JL/JLU, and that his and Bruce's relationship wasn't mended.... I also missed the animation quality of BTAS, when New Bats Adventures adapted a different kind.

 

But what I really didn't like the most about the DCAU was that Timm centered almost all of the DCAU, around Bruce Wayne/The Batman... Look at the cartoons, Batman has had a bunch of animations made exclusively about him, while Superman and other characters just get one or two series tops. Look at the JL/JLU cartoon, Batman was always portrayed as being the one with all the answers... He was portrayed as being the smartest, the toughest, and the most special out of the whole league. Batman seemed to be getting all the action too, since he was getting all the p*ssy in the DCAU-- Batman was a true meaning of the word "cherry picker"....if there ever was one. Bruce Wayne got to date Lois Lane, while Superman ended up with the sloppy seconds. It was also implied that Wonder Woman and Batman had something.... I think that he even got to date Barbara Gordon in the DCAU, but I could be wrong on that one... From my understanding Lois never dated Bruce in the comics, and Wonder Woman has always been attracted to Superman... Being that "Superman is the only male that she sees different from the rest" shes said like that once in the comics... That's like if Superman started banging Catwoman, or Talia Al Ghul...it would just never happen... Batman even got the last camera shot, at the end of the JLU/DCAU finale...haha. Even with the way that Bats would act all bossy, even towards Superman with his "Kent, I need you-- Now!" Man if Batman ever spoke to Golden Age or any other pre-crisis Superman that way-- Batman would've gotten a hard smack on the mouth from Superman.... It was always implied in the "Pre-Frank Miller" comics and in the old school animations, that Superman was the leader of the Justice League...with Batman and Wonder Woman being his second in command.

 

Why is everything in the DC universe, Animated universe, toy lines, movies, and comics, other media always have to lead back to Batman??? Just look at the comic book world of the past 25 years-- its always "Batman can beat Superman" or "Batman is the smartest hero", or "Batman is the best fighter" or "Batman is unbeatable".... And Superman just gets tossed to the side like "oh he just has super powers, but that's it..." as if that's all that Superman brings to the table.

 

I understand that Bats is Mr. Timm's favorite comic book character, but if he was going to create the DCAU-- then there should have been more of a balance among the characters. I know that many people seem to favor Batman the most, out of all the DCU characters... But In my opinion the Bruce Wayne/Batman is not the be all and all of DC Superheroes... Not everything should be centered around Batman all the time, there should be a balance among all characters. Mr. Timm created and was in charge of the DCAU... He had every right to handle it his way... But I just wanted to share some of my opinions on his DCAU.

 

I think after a while they fell on the formula that if the villain and or menace could take out Superman at the beginning of JL episode, then they were a real theat. In this process they didn't realize they were making him look weak. BTAS was my favorite piece of Bruce Timm's work though. As far as Superman in the comics. I really got into him a couple years ago after rereading The death of Superman. I thought it showed that his will was just as strong as Batman or even Green Lantern.

 

I agree on everything that you wrote too. Its as if they got too comfortable with that formula, and in the process-- hurt other possible storylines. I remember the Death Of Superman-- I was little kid but I still remember all teh drama on the news, and fans lining up outside the comic shops at odd hours...just to get the latest issue of the storyline. I remember when I got the first issue of that storyline, it was on Halloween of 1992... I remember cause the X-Men series had debuted on FOX kids that day. I remember Doomsday in his all green jumpsuit, just tearing the cover's logo... Ill be honest only four villains have ever actually intimidated me as a child-- the first one is Darkseid... the guy looks like a monster, like someone that has the ability to crush someone else into a fine powder... The next one is Doomsday, the image of him crushing that small little bird-- in his hand, just always stayed with me... Then we all saw what he did to the big guy.... Next one is Marvel's Apocalypse, because the guy seems like he could never die...and he also looks like a monster of biblical proportions... And the last one is the 1992 version of Goro from Mortal Kombat... Even though he was just a clay animation-- his growls, his size (the Goro character stands at like 8' 4"... I was about 4' 2" at the time...) and on top of all that he looks like a freakin demon...

 

But anyway I first got into Superman through the Super Friends show in the 80's, and the Reeve movies. But I started following him in the books, during the Death of Superman story line. I didn't care for his "Martin Riggs" hairdo though (I wonder if him having the mullet after Death, was just another Donner connection to Superman)..but I'm glad that they cut the mullet off.