DCU Club Subscription @ mattycollector.com

[Flounnderr]

I hate this hostage-taking Mattel always pulls with their products.

 

"Hey, Guys! You want 'X?' Well, we need everyone to sign contracts and commit to buying a certain number of 'X' before we decide if it's worth our while to even make it!"

 

Whatever happened to building your market with good service and a good product?

 

This is very true, was greatly annoyed when I realized the line was not going away and now I have incurred an extra monthly bill. I came here to write that I hope the subscription thing actually fails so that we can still get figures the standard way.....considering the line isn't moving from retail.

 

I agree. Why does everyone think that a hostage subscription is the only option. Mattel should be able to offer these at retail, if they're having problems then add in an anchor to the series, ie batman or Superman. Hasbro doesn't seem to have a problem getting large size figures to retail (ie MU Giantman). If the line is only being picked up by collectors, why not go the DC Direct route, they seem to be able to sell well enough and get fans what they want.

[TrekkerGI]

What Wolvie 62 has said is unfortunately correct. If this subscription fails, Mattel will NOT be offering these figures, and all that will be at retail will be "New Coke DC" garbage, and the occasional classic figure, which I doubt very much will include the likes of Jay Garrick and Atrocitus.

 

Someone on another board speculated that Mattel might have gotten blindsided by this relaunch, that they had no intention of ending DC Universe Classics as it presently exists, until this nonsense came out of the ether and they have to go along with it. While there's no specific proof of that, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

At the same time, I think Mattel realizes there's still a generous number of fans for classic-type product, and they want to accomodate us if at all possible. They probably also had product almost ready to go -- LIKE Jay Garrick and Atrocitus -- and they'd like to do something with it.

 

Personally, I am hopeful that the DC Relaunch fails, and fails miserably, and that those most responsible for it are shown the door in short order. But until that happens and the DC Universe can recover -- and hopefully DC Universe Classics with it -- we've got to do what we can.

 

I'm not that crazy about the idea of a subscription. I collect Masters of the Universe Classics figures, but I don't subscribe. However, if this is the only way to assure some continuance of what I believe to be the finest action figure line presently going -- then so be it. I wasted no time in subscribing.

 

I urge every fan of DC who has ever bought any number of DC Universe Classics figures -- PLEASE -- SUBSCRIBE! It's the only way to really keep the line going.

[Flounnderr]

What Wolvie 62 has said is unfortunately correct. If this subscription fails, Mattel will NOT be offering these figures, and all that will be at retail will be "New Coke DC" garbage, and the occasional classic figure, which I doubt very much will include the likes of Jay Garrick and Atrocitus.

 

 

Really? Jay Garrick and Atrocitus are already tooled. If the subscription fails (as it should) those figure will still be made and released to stores (and they still might even with the subscription).

 

What you're worried about is that fan geared figures will ONLY be made through the subscription. Well I don't believe that either, just look at how long JLU has been at retail. The Fan support is there for this. Mattel is trying to cut out their distribution problems and move into the direct sales business, and they're trying to do it at a premium.

 

Don't fall for the subscription scam, DCUC isn't going away.

[shokker]

people will never be happy. on facebook i read what a guy writes about the sub and he is mostly angry because they arent at retail anymore and because the big figs are to expensive. later on i noticed that he is interested in a cnc figure that costs 65usd and that he always orders the dc waves on bbts??? so he is just making things up to create a world of his own i guess. it makes no sense at all. things like this just makes me angry. then this constant excuse ohh i have to buy a figure or two i may not want. ohh buhu i have tons of figures i had to buy to get the baf or cnc piece. well guess what, in the end i kept them all and learned all about them. try something new, you may like some of it and if not, then try to sell it to a comic shop for a lower price or trade it or bring it at walmart, they dont seem to care anyway so they will take it back lol. you have so manny options what to do with it. i was skeptic at first but in the end, the motuc figs are perfect and i am fine with everything i get and so will be it with dcuc sub. no difference, just different franchises and look at how great the masters line is today.

[cjflan32]

people will never be happy. on facebook i read what a guy writes about the sub and he is mostly angry because they arent at retail anymore and because the big figs are to expensive. later on i noticed that he is interested in a cnc figure that costs 65usd and that he always orders the dc waves on bbts??? so he is just making things up to create a world of his own i guess. it makes no sense at all. things like this just makes me angry. then this constant excuse ohh i have to buy a figure or two i may not want. ohh buhu i have tons of figures i had to buy to get the baf or cnc piece. well guess what, in the end i kept them all and learned all about them. try something new, you may like some of it and if not, then try to sell it to a comic shop for a lower price or trade it or bring it at walmart, they dont seem to care anyway so they will take it back lol. you have so manny options what to do with it. i was skeptic at first but in the end, the motuc figs are perfect and i am fine with everything i get and so will be it with dcuc sub. no difference, just different franchises and look at how great the masters line is today.

 

Well said.

[cjflan32]

Really? Jay Garrick and Atrocitus are already tooled. If the subscription fails (as it should) those figure will still be made and released to stores (and they still might even with the subscription).

 

True blue DCUC fan right here people.

 

What you're worried about is that fan geared figures will ONLY be made through the subscription. Well I don't believe that either, just look at how long JLU has been at retail.

 

You're right, lets look at JLU. A line that's been been sold primarily at one store in one country riddled with repacks and repaints with very few "fan geared" figures at retail.

 

The only reason this line has stuck around is because it's one of the easiest toy lines to produce in the history of action figures. How they suckered Target into selling these things is beyond me.

 

The Fan support is there for this. Mattel is trying to cut out their distribution problems and move into the direct sales business, and they're trying to do it at a premium.

 

Oh yeah, the fan support is there.

 

I'm just curious, are the majority of people here done urinating on waves 17-19?

 

Don't fall for the subscription scam, DCUC isn't going away.

 

Yeah "champ," it is. This DC reboot is aimed at kids, what stops them from aiming any new toylines at the same demo?

 

I doubt you'll be so receptive If/when the first wave features Batman/Superman/Cyborg repaints and the second wave includes The Savage Hawkman and I, Vampire. You know, assuming those comics haven't been cancelled yet.

[cjflan32]

Masters of the Universe can get enough support for a subscription.

 

Ghostbusters can get enough support for a subscription.

 

But the DC Universe can't. Some fans we got here.

[MasterJailer]

I decided to open a restaurant in my town. I didn't have the patience to build a healthy clientele by offering quality food and exceptional service so before I went ahead and opened the restaurant, I went to every house in the community and made everyone commit to eating at least one meal a day in my restaurant and pay for it up front. I didn't want to build a market. I want that market to be there instantly the moment I offer my services. If not enough people commit to eating at my restaurant sight unseen and food untasted, then I won't open because I guess that community just doesn't want restaurants in their town.

[Wolvie62]

Mattel is a business - it operates to make a profit not to please adult collectors who make up just a small minority of its customer base. I still say they will not continue to produce figures to the mass market that will mainly sit on the shelf, it just doesn't make economic sense.

 

No sub going forward then no classic DCUC, at least as far as the majority of fan requested figures are concerned.

[Mydyingtoys]

Mattel is a business - it operates to make a profit not to please adult collectors who make up just a small minority of its customer base. I still say they will not continue to produce figures to the mass market that will mainly sit on the shelf, it just doesn't make economic sense.

 

No sub going forward then no classic DCUC, at least as far as the majority of fan requested figures are concerned.

 

Then why sell to that base anyways ,their are many who do ie(neca,hot toy,mcfarlane etc).Honestly they are like DC comics of the toy industry they should try to focus on kids and let the others focus on the older audiences.

[cjflan32]

I decided to open a restaurant in my town. I didn't have the patience to build a healthy clientele by offering quality food and exceptional service so before I went ahead and opened the restaurant, I went to every house in the community and made everyone commit to eating at least one meal a day in my restaurant and pay for it up front. I didn't want to build a market. I want that market to be there instantly the moment I offer my services. If not enough people commit to eating at my restaurant sight unseen and food untasted, then I won't open because I guess that community just doesn't want restaurants in their town.

 

Well, that was ridiculous. Looking at who wrote it I'm not surprised.

 

Regardless, what Master Jailer fails to mention is DCUC has had four years to build a market.

 

And somehow, despite extremely poor quality control issues, distribution concerns, terrible Web Site experiences, the Gleek situation, whining about the build-a-figure concept, increased prices and constant "why the f*** are they making him" comments, they made it through TWENTY-TWO WAVES AND NUMEROUS MULTI-PACKS. How is that?

 

This series, with all its problems, still has most of you by the balls and now you're pissed off because after TWENTY-TWO WAVES AND NUMEROUS MULTI-PACKS they're asking you to go to an outlet (the Internet) where most people get these things from anyway and commit to 12 figures a year.

 

And why wouldn't they? Besides the fact that it worked for He-Man and (unbelievably) Ghostbusters, these things could have a self-destruct on them and most of you would still buy them.

 

Whatever business model they've used to get here has clearly worked.

[MasterJailer]

 

Whatever business model they've used to get here has clearly worked.

 

And yet Mattel does not have the confidence in that model to simply go ahead with the subscriptions instead of dangling it like a ridiculous carrot.

 

It's pretty embarrassing when people get pissy after an analogy has gone over their head.

[cjflan32]

Mattel is a business - it operates to make a profit not to please adult collectors who make up just a small minority of its customer base. I still say they will not continue to produce figures to the mass market that will mainly sit on the shelf, it just doesn't make economic sense.

 

No sub going forward then no classic DCUC, at least as far as the majority of fan requested figures are concerned.

 

That's been the problem, they have pleased collectors. Why the hell would they makes characters like Golden Pharaoh?

 

But they didn't please kids. Throwing in an A-Lister in most waves goes a long way. Marvel Legends did this and I haven't seen half the complaints DCUC has received.

 

Again, people like Master Jailer don't want to admit that collectors are what you said, a minority.

 

And Jailer, the staunch conservative that he is, should know all about capitalism as well as what happens when you listen to a fringe group loaded with idiots.

[cjflan32]

Then why sell to that base anyways ,their are many who do ie(neca,hot toy,mcfarlane etc).Honestly they are like DC comics of the toy industry they should try to focus on kids and let the others focus on the older audiences.

 

NECA? Are those the collector figures I see at Toys R Us and nowhere else that are always on discount?

 

McFarlane? The only reason they're still in business is because of sports figures and even they have caved to majority bases (Red Sox, Yankees, Cowboys, etc.).

 

Hot Toys? The extremely expensive adult collector's line sold primarily though online retailers?

 

I think you just answered your own question.

[cjflan32]

Whatever business model they've used to get here has clearly worked.

 

And yet Mattel does not have the confidence in that model to simply go ahead with the subscriptions instead of dangling it like a ridiculous carrot.

 

It's pretty embarrassing when people get pissy after an analogy has gone over their head.

 

I love the people who can't even look at you but can tell your angry. "DON'T TYPE AT ME IN THAT TONE OF VOICE!" I urge everyone to read what I wrote in post #66. Master Jailer selective editing can be harsh.

 

Moving on, I certainly don't condone what they're doing but I understand why they're doing it. They've got to make money or nobody's getting anything.

 

Given the blind loyalty people have shown this company over the years it shouldn't be a problem to fill that meter. But if they don't? Well, they're just canceling an unpopular line.

 

Is that it? You afraid that this will be evidence that the world isn't ruled by comic book geeks? That DCUC isn't as popular as people have made it out to be?

 

Guaran-damn-tee if they didn't have that meter (as stupid as it is) and they canceled it citing "there wasn't enough interest," your argument would be different but you'd still be complaining.

[Mydyingtoys]

Then why sell to that base anyways ,their are many who do ie(neca,hot toy,mcfarlane etc).Honestly they are like DC comics of the toy industry they should try to focus on kids and let the others focus on the older audiences.

 

NECA? Are those the collector figures I see at Toys R Us and nowhere else that are always on discount?

 

McFarlane? The only reason they're still in business is because of sports figures and even they have caved to majority bases (Red Sox, Yankees, Cowboys, etc.).

 

Hot Toys? The extremely expensive adult collector's line sold primarily though online retailers?

 

I think you just answered your own question.

 

opps I think did,So what you think company's should do with the adult market kill it completely or use it only for online stores outlet only.

 

PS I did not now hot toy only sold their lines online.

[cjflan32]

Then why sell to that base anyways ,their are many who do ie(neca,hot toy,mcfarlane etc).Honestly they are like DC comics of the toy industry they should try to focus on kids and let the others focus on the older audiences.

 

NECA? Are those the collector figures I see at Toys R Us and nowhere else that are always on discount?

 

McFarlane? The only reason they're still in business is because of sports figures and even they have caved to majority bases (Red Sox, Yankees, Cowboys, etc.).

 

Hot Toys? The extremely expensive adult collector's line sold primarily though online retailers?

 

I think you just answered your own question.

 

opps I think did,So what you think company's should do with the adult market kill it completely or use it only for online stores outlet only.

 

PS I did not now hot toy only sold their lines online.

 

Actually there's a "home base" (for lack of a better term) that sells them in Hong Kong but I don't think you want to use that option, lol. There's plenty of great online choices where you can get your Hot Toys figures though. And of course there are toy/collectible toy stores that buy them online and sell them in-store.

 

To answer your question in all honesty I think action figure lines directed at adult collectors should be sold online. It's a proven winner, the big chains don't want them and a lot of people here would rather see fan favorites then continued Supermen/Batmen variants.

 

There's certainly no reason to kill them, but a proper market should be found for them.

[cjflan32]

I never had a problem with getting them on-line. It's the whole subscription business that burns me.

 

Well I understand why people don't like it, but if people really love this line they'll sign up. Other people will have to decide if I'm right or wrong.

 

The only thing I know is in its current form the line was going to die at retail.

[MasterJailer]

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Again, people like Master Jailer don't want to admit that collectors are what you said, a minority.

 

 

 

Did Master Jailer EVER say that collectors aren't a minority? I don't think so. That really wasn't his point.

 

Once again... WHOOSH! Right over your head.

[cjflan32]

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Again, people like Master Jailer don't want to admit that collectors are what you said, a minority.

 

 

 

Did Master Jailer EVER say that collectors aren't a minority? I don't think so. That really wasn't his point.

 

Once again... WHOOSH! Right over your head.

 

Speaking of "whoosh," that comment had nothing to do with your restaurant analogy and more with your overall attitude towards comic book fandom. See rants by you or your five-time banned boss for more information.

 

Master Jailer selected editing strikes again.

[Flounnderr]

 

 

True blue DCUC fan right here people.

 

 

 

You're right, lets look at JLU. A line that's been been sold primarily at one store in one country riddled with repacks and repaints with very few "fan geared" figures at retail.

 

The only reason this line has stuck around is because it's one of the easiest toy lines to produce in the history of action figures. How they suckered Target into selling these things is beyond me.

 

The Fan support is there for this. Mattel is trying to cut out their distribution problems and move into the direct sales business, and they're trying to do it at a premium.

 

Oh yeah, the fan support is there.

 

I'm just curious, are the majority of people here done urinating on waves 17-19?

 

Don't fall for the subscription scam, DCUC isn't going away.

 

Yeah "champ," it is. This DC reboot is aimed at kids, what stops them from aiming any new toylines at the same demo?

 

I doubt you'll be so receptive If/when the first wave features Batman/Superman/Cyborg repaints and the second wave includes The Savage Hawkman and I, Vampire. You know, assuming those comics haven't been cancelled yet.

 

So only the subcribers are "true blue" fans...well im not mindless or a completist so i guess you must be right.

Also you really haven't countered anything I wrote, especially that all the tooled figures will be released even if the subscription fails. The only reason people care is b/c they're pissing in their pants over Metron, and possibly not getting him if it fails.

 

Like I said, fan support is there, and much stronger than JLU (which has managed to make just about every character from the cartoon and beyond).

 

Im not really sure how much the reboot will affect dcuc, i'm sure they'll introduce them into the line...maybe 1-2 per wave. I dont see a problem.

 

The subsciption is only good for completists and people who want oddball charachters like "dial H for hero" or whatever his name is.

 

regards

the champ

[shokker]

the sub is not only for one person its for a lot. if the first figure is not your thing maybe the next one is. its not only you you you but we are a comunity. some love lanterns and some dont and thats the case with the whole dc universe. some you love, some you hate. it is not you and me who counts, its the whole, the collection of dcuc can go on or you can stay where you are and get the next rererelease of superman and batman and cry about that mattel did not do the right thing because you did not know what to do. join the club, you will love to discover every figure they do.

[Superpowers1980]

One thing I have noticed is that DC as an entitiy is completely disposable by their fans or a large majority of them. CJFAN pointed out in contrast how Marvel Legends had some similar structuring in waves and how they don't get half the complaints. It seems from movies to toys people continue to buy DCUC and DC products but it seems they complain and awful lot more than normal.

 

I for one do not like the sub and I don't believe in the reasons Mattel is giving. DCUC is not a perfect selling entity but they are a huge line, they push tons of product at retail and online, they are a large moving entity and the oddball characters have moved........who would of thought the ridiculous version of Killer Moth would of been such the hit it was, or how about Golden Pharoah, people hated him until they saw him on the pegs and people bought him just because of how he looked. Despite the response on Wave 18, they have moved a great deal of them already online before they have hit retail. Mattel is a very cunning and demanding company, as much as I like their product I do believe they think that success only comes in the form of making toy collecting a monthly staple in conjunction with your rent, mortgage, and utiltities.

 

I think offering only large 12 inch or 15 inch figures on Mattycollector is a good idea, the sub only appealed to me when I thought DCUC was going away from retail. People the line isn't leaving or rebranding because of poor sales they are just changing gears because DC Comics is changing gears (for better or worst, looking at the new costumes it is for the worst) but DCUC is hardly the failure line people make it out to be. IMO still the better than Marvel Legends was,

[cjflan32]

So only the subcribers are "true blue" fans...well im not mindless or a completist so i guess you must be right.

Also you really haven't countered anything I wrote, especially that all the tooled figures will be released even if the subscription fails. The only reason people care is b/c they're pissing in their pants over Metron, and possibly not getting him if it fails.

It's not just about being a completist. See what shokker wrote. And I don't see anyone going crazy over the subscription because of Metron. Me? I just want to see Metron, don't really care how it comes about. And I'm just curious how you "know" those figures will be released.

Like I said, fan support is there, and much stronger than JLU (which has managed to make just about every character from the cartoon and beyond).

"Fan support?" The same fans that are pissed off because Mattel made a special figure for its employees, a figure that has absolutely no bearing on a complete JLU lineup, and have held it over their head for five years?

 

Whatever. So you didn't say this:

 

What you're worried about is that fan geared figures will ONLY be made through the subscription. Well I don't believe that either, just look at how long JLU has been at retail.

 

Oh wait, you did. I didn't see Giganta, the Gotham Criminals, the LOSH, the Doom Patrol, Lobo, Darkseid, Kalibak, Parademons, Abin Sur, Hal Jordan, the Marvel Family and the Justice Guild, all fan requested figures, at Target. Maybe your Target was lucky. But more than likely you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

I don't deny that there were fan favorites at retail, but few of them were on single cards and most of them were in packs where you had to buy yet ANOTHER of the big four.

 

Again, the only reason JLU has survived this long is because its dependent on repacks, repaints and a s*** load of Supes, Bats, WW and GL.

 

They wouldn't need dozens of the those four characters in the lineups if the "fan support" was there. I didn't think that last part had to be brought up but for some reason I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt.

 

And DCUC? Are you talking about the same "fan support" that's been trashing the last three waves?

 

Im not really sure how much the reboot will affect dcuc, i'm sure they'll introduce them into the line...maybe 1-2 per wave. I dont see a problem.

 

The subsciption is only good for completists and people who want oddball charachters like "dial H for hero" or whatever his name is.

 

Actually, it's for people who want DCUC to continue. Which clearly isn't you.

[cjflan32]

The subsciption is only good for completists and people who want oddball charachters like "dial H for hero" or whatever his name is.

I'm baffled as to why you give a s*** about the subscription either way. Didn't you say this:

 

Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

and this:

 

Well if you actually collected DCUC, you would know i'm talking about like 10 more figures. JSA is missing sandman,Flash, Starman, maybe atom. Super Powers is missing Robin, Manhunter, Golden PHaroah, Titans is missing Aqualad, speedy. LOD is missing Toyman.

 

http://forums.toynew...owtopic=2072837

 

I believe there's three figures left on that list of yours, which I'm sure you'll be able to find by yourself.

 

Anyway, that discussion I found was about the BAF concept, which will be abandoned with this method.

 

Doesn't all this make you happy? "No more BAF 'scam'! The Champ was right! BIF! POW! BANG!" They changed the way they do business, all their asking is for a commitment from fans that you claim are here to support it.

 

Or is this another "scam" like the BAF concept. I'm just curious Champ, is everything that requires you to spend money on toys a "scam"?