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Star Wars did or does BAF. Hasbro abandoned it for MLs because they all but abandoned MLs.

 

You keep saying that we are defending and rationalizing. Maybe we like the BAF concept. Isn't that possible? I like most of the BAFs and most of the figs. I don't mind buying an extra fig here or there. Of course, I think of this as partly an investment and realize that a complete BAF can be worth as much as the entire wave. If I really hated a fig, I'd probably sell it on ebay or trade it away.

 

As for people being furious over other toy lines, perhaps you should visit the MOTU forum.

 

But again, the complainers (of nearly every toy line) are louder, but smaller in number than the non-complainers.

 

So as i said in the post above, that Hasbro tried the baf concept (Star Wars BAD) and abandoned it within a year. I would cite that as support that its not a viable marketing strategy.

 

Second, I'm not against Mattel making the larger figures, but the BAF format is not the right venue as they currently conduct it. Either there needs to be changes made for availability or scrap the idea and come out with a 30-35 price oversized figure line.

 

Third, So there's this argument that when you buy the whole wave, you can just sell the figures you don't like and get a chunk of the money back. The only thing is, most of the time nobody wants these figures so they end up selling for almost nothing ie, Kid flash, barda, Blue Aquaman ect.

 

Finally, Looks like Mattel either doesn't know how to run an action figure line or doesn't care. MOTUC is unbelievable in its management. I'm glad i was satisfied with the vintage collection. I don't think i've ever heard so many of the same complaints on major issues from any collecting toyline than Mattel and DCUC and MOTUC. Nothing on this level ever happened with Gi Joe or Star Wars.

 

Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

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Joshua

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

regards

Joshua

 

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is that all?

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

I agree. Every line has its limit. There are far fewer major, strong-selling characters to be released than there were several years ago. Now they're mining the Golden Age characters. There aren't a lot of heavy sellers there, and some have already been made (Spectre, Wildcat, etc). So we're quickly reaching a point where there are far fewer characters that people are going to want, and even fewer BAF/C&C possibilities (unless they go back to normal-sized ones like Metamorpho). It's also going to be harder to sell BAF/&C stuff because there are so few "needed" characters left. People won't buy 6 relatively obscure figures they don't want in order to get a BAF. The extortion days are coming to an end for Mattel.

 

If they tackle the Legion of Superheroes, that alone will give them 2 years worth of releases and several decent BAF/C&Cs (Mordru, Validius, Computo, etc). Give them another 2 years to mine the rest of the Golden Age characters, the Fawcett characters, and the few odds and ends they haven't made yet (Martian Manhunter, etc). After that, they have few choices. They can release tons of variants, but people quickly sicken from being peddled the same stupid characters umpteen number of times. So that route won't work. There will be a few drones who will continue buying every tiny variant made, but nowhere near enough to support the line. Or, they can start doing obscure characters like Libra (the JLA villain), Korge (a great BAF!), Sensei, Replikon, and so on. Now those I would buy because I love so many of the obscure, forgotten characters. But again, not enough to support the line in general. How many people even remember these characters, much less want them? Or, they can discontinue the line.

 

I think the last option is most likely. So I give it 5 years tops.

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

I agree. Every line has its limit. There are far fewer major, strong-selling characters to be released than there were several years ago. Now they're mining the Golden Age characters. There aren't a lot of heavy sellers there, and some have already been made (Spectre, Wildcat, etc). So we're quickly reaching a point where there are far fewer characters that people are going to want, and even fewer BAF/C&C possibilities (unless they go back to normal-sized ones like Metamorpho). It's also going to be harder to sell BAF/&C stuff because there are so few "needed" characters left. People won't buy 6 relatively obscure figures they don't want in order to get a BAF. The extortion days are coming to an end for Mattel.

 

If they tackle the Legion of Superheroes, that alone will give them 2 years worth of releases and several decent BAF/C&Cs (Mordru, Validius, Computo, etc). Give them another 2 years to mine the rest of the Golden Age characters, the Fawcett characters, and the few odds and ends they haven't made yet (Martian Manhunter, etc). After that, they have few choices. They can release tons of variants, but people quickly sicken from being peddled the same stupid characters umpteen number of times. So that route won't work. There will be a few drones who will continue buying every tiny variant made, but nowhere near enough to support the line. Or, they can start doing obscure characters like Libra (the JLA villain), Korge (a great BAF!), Sensei, Replikon, and so on. Now those I would buy because I love so many of the obscure, forgotten characters. But again, not enough to support the line in general. How many people even remember these characters, much less want them? Or, they can discontinue the line.

 

I think the last option is most likely. So I give it 5 years tops.

 

It makes sense. I just want they would find a way to re-release these C&C figures.

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I kind of agree with Xorr and Flounderr with this, while like Eldest son mentioned they're not forcing you to buy anything they sort of blackmail you into it. The CnC or BAF whatever you want to call it is a double edged sword on one hand like Pooda mentioned you get a big character that you wouldn't have normally gotten carded in a wave and the fact that they didn't packaged it and charge you X price for it but instead got it as a "bonus" piece with other figure is good. On the other hand if you don't get the entire wave of figures you either won't get the figure or you'll have to resort to other methods to find it. It has it Pros and Cons and NO ONE here can deny that, I seriously doubt anyone here(I could be wrong)loves each and every character of the DC universe so odds are that you have bought an unwanted character to get complete another one that you did wanted. Since I don't collect the DCUC I'll use ML as an example. BAF as many of you know was one of the selling points of MLs line, now in my case some of them worked but others didn't, I'll explain....the Sentinel(quite possibly the best BAF ever) worked for me as the wave was composed of characters I like and wanted and when I got them all I could build the Sentinel cool, huh? But then we have Galactus which is one of my favorite Marvel characters in order to build him I had to get Deathlok which I couldn't care less about, Ares wave:Ultimate War Machine, Annihilus wave:movie figs, Giant Man wave:AOA weapon X so on and so forth. So the C&C/BAF concept is a curse and a blessing. Sure you can always get the piece on ebay but most of the time it can cost you with shipping what you would've paid for the figure in the first place and trading it can be a good thing when it works but sometimes people are so untrusting no one wants to ship first. So to conlcude IMO no one here is wrong (except the ones who don't think that the C&C is a marketing tool). The C&C part is both a good thing and a bad depends who you are. I honestly think most of the time is a curse.

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If Mattel cared about this you would think they would sell individual parts on their website. Most people would pay 6.00 a part to get missing pieces, ebay has these parts going for almost as much as the figures.

 

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Joshua

 

 

Mattel is probably well aware that the C&C piece is the only way to generate interest in unwanted F-listers like Kamandi, J'emm, Omac and repeatedly released repaints like their thirtieth version of Batman. If there were an alternate way of acquiring the C&C piece then Kamandi would be damned to certain peg warming.

 

Having said this, I remain a supporter of the C&C concept. I don't think that we would've gotten the spectacular Kilowog, Chemo, and Kalibak without it. Without the C&C, this line would either be devoid of larger characters or they would be made on an incompatible scale and everyone would be screaming for the C&C. Look at all those requests for a C&C Doomsday and Bane. I know I'd love to see Mongol and Killer Croc revisited as C&C's.

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made.

 

regards

Joshua

 

 

I think four years is pretty optimistic. Ridiculously increasing prices, inexcusably poor quality control and shaky character choices like J'emm and OMAC ( Good God! Can we give the Kirby stuff a rest? Is the Newsboy Legion next???) are rapidly squashing enthusiasm for this line.

 

Mattel will probably eek out a few more years by making this line a Matty exclusive offering. Then they can bleed the fans for twenty bucks a figure and get away with making only a handful of figures that they will be sure to sell out of. Yeah. It's the MOTUC model.

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

regards

Joshua

 

lol

 

is that all?

 

Well if you actually collected DCUC, you would know i'm talking about like 10 more figures. JSA is missing sandman,Flash, Starman, maybe atom. Super Powers is missing Robin, Manhunter, Golden PHaroah, Titans is missing Aqualad, speedy. LOD is missing Toyman.

 

regards

Joshua

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Mattel is probably well aware that the C&C piece is the only way to generate interest in unwanted F-listers like Kamandi, J'emm, Omac and repeatedly released repaints like their thirtieth version of Batman. If there were an alternate way of acquiring the C&C piece then Kamandi would be damned to certain peg warming.

 

Having said this, I remain a supporter of the C&C concept. I don't think that we would've gotten the spectacular Kilowog, Chemo, and Kalibak without it. Without the C&C, this line would either be devoid of larger characters or they would be made on an incompatible scale and everyone would be screaming for the C&C. Look at all those requests for a C&C Doomsday and Bane. I know I'd love to see Mongol and Killer Croc revisited as C&C's.

 

I think its the combination of the CnC problems and the continuous price hikes. I would pick up some of the obscure characters like Kamandi or Omac if we're talking $10-12. But with the price reaching $20 in NY, I'm skipping out on alot of figures I otherwise would have gotten, like the Question. The only figures i collect are the ones i consider the utmost important. I also substitute DCD figures in place of DCUC, when i feel they have a better design and retain the same or similar articulation, ie Justice Toyman and Justice Plastic Man.

 

Don't you remember the days when you bought the figures for the figure? I know there are whole waves of starwars i skip, but then there are some that I buy up completely and i feel great collecting it.

 

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done.

 

regards

Joshua

 

lol

 

is that all?

 

Well if you actually collected DCUC, you would know i'm talking about like 10 more figures. JSA is missing sandman,Flash, Starman, maybe atom. Super Powers is missing Robin, Manhunter, Golden PHaroah, Titans is missing Aqualad, speedy. LOD is missing Toyman.

 

regards

Joshua

 

i have almost every fig up to wave 12. Those figs are going to be spread out over 15 waves.

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Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made.

 

regards

Joshua

 

 

I think four years is pretty optimistic. Ridiculously increasing prices, inexcusably poor quality control and shaky character choices like J'emm and OMAC ( Good God! Can we give the Kirby stuff a rest? Is the Newsboy Legion next???) are rapidly squashing enthusiasm for this line.

 

Mattel will probably eek out a few more years by making this line a Matty exclusive offering. Then they can bleed the fans for twenty bucks a figure and get away with making only a handful of figures that they will be sure to sell out of. Yeah. It's the MOTUC model.

 

It's more likely they'll do what they did with MOTU and change line completely and start over with different bucks, sculpts ect.

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It's more likely they'll do what they did with MOTU and change line completely and start over with different bucks, sculpts ect.

 

I doubt very much that Mattel will do that.

 

First of all, if there's one thing Mattel has repeatedly shown is that they'll never make a new body when there's already a body out there that they could just repaint. New bodies and sculpts cost money!

 

Secondly, they would greatly risk alienating all the fans who've been supporting their DC products thus far. One of the factors that added to DCUC's success early on was how compatible the line is with all those DC Super Heroes figures a lot of us had been buying up until then. I can't imagine the online rage if Mattel suddenly announced, "Okay. You know all those figures you've been shelling out about fifteen bucks a piece for? All those exclusives and variants? Throw 'em out! We're starting over. First up... a new Superman and Batman. Exciting right?"

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It's more likely they'll do what they did with MOTU and change line completely and start over with different bucks, sculpts ect.

 

I doubt very much that Mattel will do that.

 

First of all, if there's one thing Mattel has repeatedly shown is that they'll never make a new body when there's already a body out there that they could just repaint. New bodies and sculpts cost money!

 

Secondly, they would greatly risk alienating all the fans who've been supporting their DC products thus far. One of the factors that added to DCUC's success early on was how compatible the line is with all those DC Super Heroes figures a lot of us had been buying up until then. I can't imagine the online rage if Mattel suddenly announced, "Okay. You know all those figures you've been shelling out about fifteen bucks a piece for? All those exclusives and variants? Throw 'em out! We're starting over. First up... a new Superman and Batman. Exciting right?"

 

But didn't they put out a MOTU line and then they started over with completely new sculpts based on the classic series?

 

and who said anything about throwing out your old figs? why would they ask people to do that?

 

there are some people buying DCUC and DC Direct. there are those who bought Super Powers, then DCSH, then DCUC.

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But didn't they put out a MOTU line and then they started over with completely new sculpts based on the classic series?

 

 

 

There was about an eight or nine year gap in between the 200X series and the current MOTU line.

 

 

 

 

and who said anything about throwing out your old figs? why would they ask people to do that?

 

 

Very few collectors are likely to fuse their existing collections with a new line unless that line is very compatible in terms of scale and sculpts.

 

If Mattel were to restart the DC line with new sculpts and bodes they most likely will not be very compatible with the current DCUC line. As it is, people often ask for characters from DCSH like Killer Croc to be remade in order so that they'll fit in better with their DCUC collections. You can also be sure that if Matter were to relaunch a DC line, that new line would have to include a new Superman and Batman and who really wants to go down that road again?

 

Some collectors do incorporate DC Direct figures into their DCUC collections due to a preference for the DCD sculpt but in those cases very often the DCD figure is very close in scale to the DCUC line. If Mattel were going to be THAT close in scale, they'd save themselves a few bucks and simply re-use existing molds and bodies.

 

I'm sorry but anyway you slice it, it's a very unlikely idea.

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But didn't they put out a MOTU line and then they started over with completely new sculpts based on the classic series?

 

 

 

There was about an eight or nine year gap in between the 200X series and the current MOTU line.

 

 

 

 

and who said anything about throwing out your old figs? why would they ask people to do that?

 

 

Very few collectors are likely to fuse their existing collections with a new line unless that line is very compatible in terms of scale and sculpts.

 

If Mattel were to restart the DC line with new sculpts and bodes they most likely will not be very compatible with the current DCUC line. As it is, people often ask for characters from DCSH like Killer Croc to be remade in order so that they'll fit in better with their DCUC collections. You can also be sure that if Matter were to relaunch a DC line, that new line would have to include a new Superman and Batman and who really wants to go down that road again?

 

Some collectors do incorporate DC Direct figures into their DCUC collections due to a preference for the DCD sculpt but in those cases very often the DCD figure is very close in scale to the DCUC line. If Mattel were going to be THAT close in scale, they'd save themselves a few bucks and simply re-use existing molds and bodies.

 

I'm sorry but anyway you slice it, it's a very unlikely idea.

 

Hey Everyone,

 

Mattel has already shown a willingness to change scales in the middle of a toyline.

 

I started collecting the DC animated figures in 1998. Hasbro had the rights and made their figures in the same scales. When Mattel got the rights to the DC animated lines, they also got the Hasbro molds. Instead of continuing the same scale of the animated look, they created a new scale just out of scale smaller than the Hasbro. In order to keep the scale people had to rebuy an entire collection.

 

I chose the more selective route and only bought newer jlu figures that fit the scale of the older figures (Aquaman, Martian Manhunter ect..) or could be easily customized to fit in scale. Most other people bought the chicken legged superman. Dems da breaks.

 

If Mattel changes the scale of DCUC or radically changes the aesthetic look, people are going to have to make their choices. (Just like Toybiz ML and Hasbro ML).

 

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Joshua

 

 

regards

Joshua

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OMAC ( Good God! Can we give the Kirby stuff a rest? Is the Newsboy Legion next???) are rapidly squashing enthusiasm for this line.

 

Not my enthusiasm! ;) I'd love an OMAC figure. No, I don't want a Newsboy Legion set, but from the Kirby stuff we still need Highfather, Metron (with chair), Black Racer, Granny Goodness, and perhaps Infinity Man in order to have a decent New Gods collection. I also wouldn't mind a Forever People wave, if they can complete it. If these never get made, my collection will always be inferior and incomplete in my eyes. :(

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God bless the block button.

 

Anyway, let's rip a little:

 

"These CnC's are terrible. Right now, a figure costs more than $18.00 with tax in NY. Buying 6 figures, in order to get the baf is a scam."

 

Dear Flounnderr,

 

You're right. We suck.

 

Sincerely,

 

Kilowog, Darkseid, Giganta, Atom Smasher, Grodd, Grundy, Metamorpho, Kalibak and Metallo.

 

"Some people are finding illegal ways around the problem with switching out parts or returning w/o the baf altogether."

 

Take it up with management. Since you don't like the CnC concept why do you care?

 

"Yes, I agree with that statement and most by Xorr on this subject."

 

Another one who needs to look up the definition of extortion.

 

"Buying an entire wave just for the baf is ridiculous and is going to limit people from continuing involvement in the hobby."

 

You said collecting is an "addiction". Is buying figures you don't want to get the one you do really gonna stop ya?

 

"People are not buying the figures because they like them, only because they want the baf. DCUC is less than 4 years old. It won't last another 4, if this problem isn't resolved."

 

DCUC is two and a half years old and all I read on this board is people can't find the figures they want, including you. But they only buy them for the CnC right?

 

"Hasbro tried the baf concept and abandoned it after a year b/c it was obviously not viable for a long term collecting vision."

 

Do you even know what that BAF concept was? DROIDS. Most of them background astromechs. How many do you think they could make before they "abandoned" it?

 

If anything, repainting the same droid over and over again was cheap.

 

"Either there needs to be changes made for availability or scrap the idea and come out with a 30-35 price oversized figure line."

 

What a joke. The minute they do that it gets scrapped because people like you will b*tch that you can't get them. You obviously need a toy marketing 101 class.

 

"Nothing on this level ever happened with Gi Joe or Star Wars."

 

What an embarrassing comment. You're actually comparing G.I. Joe and Star Wars, THE MOST POPULAR BOYS ACTION FIGURE LINES OF ALL TIME, to the DCUC line. Delusional.

 

When are you people going to get it through your head that lines with TV shows and movies stand a much better chance at retail than a collection for fans?

 

I haven't heard any of these complaints labeled towards Mattel's WWE line. I wonder why?

 

"Anyway my prediction stands, this line won't last another 4 years unless changes are made. I know i'm jumping ship after Super Powers, the 1960's titans, golden age JSA, and Legion of Doom are done."

 

Is that all? How 'bout the Metal Men and Doom Patrol?

 

It the line folds it will be because of distribution/retailer carrying issues or because Mattel doesn't retain the license. There's more to this than DCUC.

 

"Well if you actually collected DCUC, you would know i'm talking about like 10 more figures. JSA is missing sandman,Flash, Starman, maybe atom. Super Powers is missing Robin, Manhunter, Golden PHaroah, Titans is missing Aqualad, speedy. LOD is missing Toyman."

 

Yeah Eldest Son, what's wrong with you? lol

 

"I think its the combination of the CnC problems and the continuous price hikes."

 

You spend the entire time saying CnC is the biggest problem but NOW it's also the price hikes. oooookay.

 

"When Mattel got the rights to the DC animated lines, they also got the Hasbro molds."

 

DISHONESTY! Kenner-bought out by Hasbro-made most of those molds, making Hasbro the sole owners of them, unless another company bought them. Mattel bought SOME of them, mainly the Batcave, Batmobile and Batplane.

 

Though at this point it's not a shock you have no idea what you're talking about. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

Regards,

 

Screw it. None of you really care who I am anyway.

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cjflan32,

 

I'm glad that you line edited all my comments. That's shows alot of determination and knowledge. You must be completely right. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

 

That's pretty much as far as the conversation is going to get, so i'm not going to continue repeating myself.

 

If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand. Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet.

 

I believe there are better ways to handle the CnC program that continue to be profitable for Mattel and enjoyable for Fans. Why can't both be satisfied?

 

DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe. THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye.

 

I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base. Creating division in the base through specific policies doesn't sound like a smart way to go about business, especially for a long term plan.

 

regards,

Joshua

 

PS- It's amazing and comical that you assume that nobody else on this site has any experience in marketing or business.

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cjflan32,

 

I'm glad that you line edited all my comments. That's shows alot of determination and knowledge. You must be completely right. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

 

That's pretty much as far as the conversation is going to get, so i'm not going to continue repeating myself.

 

If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand. Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet.

 

I believe there are better ways to handle the CnC program that continue to be profitable for Mattel and enjoyable for Fans. Why can't both be satisfied?

 

DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe. THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye.

 

I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base. Creating division in the base through specific policies doesn't sound like a smart way to go about business, especially for a long term plan.

 

regards,

Joshua

 

PS- It's amazing and comical that you assume that nobody else on this site has any experience in marketing or business.

 

What's comical is the sarcasm you used to hide the fact that you don't have a clue about anything instead of telling me why I was wrong. And I didn't line edit your comments. Those are all word-for-word sentences cut where they weren't relevant anymore. It really wasn't hard. You're welcome to point out my errors.

 

Let's review what you've said in this thread:

 

You lied about the Kenner molds.

 

You're another collector who cries about being "forced" to buy toys.

 

I lost count how many times you contradicted yourself.

 

Then there's this post. Feel free to tell me what I edited:

 

"DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe."

 

DCUC WILL NEVER BE G.I. JOE OR STAR WARS. G.I. Joe is the pinnacle of an action figure line and Star Wars is a phenomenon no other fan base can reach.

 

"THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye."

 

There are two major DC movies scheduled right now. Green Lantern and Batman 3. That's it. More dishonesty.

 

EDIT: I forgot. Brave and The Bold already has a toy line. Teen Titans will as well.

 

"I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base."

 

Do you know why parents can't get behind this line? Because kids can't get behind this line. Why can't kids get behind this line? Because it's aimed at collectors. If it was aimed at kids there'd be a Bats and Supes in every wave, like there were a Spidey, Wolverine, etc. in every ML wave.

 

Now you're gonna tell me Kamandi and Dr. Mid-Nite are aimed at kids.

 

"If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand."

 

Like what? You're only beef is you think it's "extortion", which is one of the dumbest things I've heard on this board.

 

"Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet."

 

That's all you guys do, keep it a "vibrant topic". Have any of you actually done anything to force Mattel to change its business model? Let's not forget you're another one of these hypocrites who can't say anything good about Mattel but can't stop buying it's product.

 

And I apologize if I made it sound like all of you guys are unaware of marketing strategies. I just meant the guy who needs to tell us who he is in every post.

 

Now Flounnderr, you're more than welcome to point out any errors or "editing" I made in this comment or the previous one. You couldn't do it last time so I doubt you can do it now.

 

But you keep on making the topics vibrant.

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Flounnderr, since you're a marketing expert perhaps you could explain why putting a piece of a larger item inside each figure in a wave is a bad strategy?

 

Perhaps you could also explain how 98 percent of the DC Universe or He-Man are more marketable to kids than Chris Jericho or Jake Sully?

 

I mean really, just give us a semblance that you know what you're talking about.

 

 

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cjflan32,

 

I'm glad that you line edited all my comments. That's shows alot of determination and knowledge. You must be completely right. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

 

That's pretty much as far as the conversation is going to get, so i'm not going to continue repeating myself.

 

If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand. Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet.

 

I believe there are better ways to handle the CnC program that continue to be profitable for Mattel and enjoyable for Fans. Why can't both be satisfied?

 

DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe. THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye.

 

I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base. Creating division in the base through specific policies doesn't sound like a smart way to go about business, especially for a long term plan.

 

regards,

Joshua

 

PS- It's amazing and comical that you assume that nobody else on this site has any experience in marketing or business.

 

What's comical is the sarcasm you used to hide the fact that you don't have a clue about anything instead of telling me why I was wrong. And I didn't line edit your comments. Those are all word-for-word sentences cut where they weren't relevant anymore. It really wasn't hard. You're welcome to point out my errors.

 

Let's review what you've said in this thread:

 

You lied about the Kenner molds.

 

You're another collector who cries about being "forced" to buy toys.

 

I lost count how many times you contradicted yourself.

 

Then there's this post. Feel free to tell me what I edited:

 

"DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe."

 

DCUC WILL NEVER BE G.I. JOE OR STAR WARS. G.I. Joe is the pinnacle of an action figure line and Star Wars is a phenomenon no other fan base can reach.

 

"THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye."

 

There are two major DC movies scheduled right now. Green Lantern and Batman 3. That's it. More dishonesty.

 

"I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base."

 

Do you know why parents can't get behind this line? Because kids can't get behind this line. Why can't kids get behind this line? Because it's aimed at collectors. If it was aimed at kids there'd be a Bats and Supes in every wave, like there were a Spidey, Wolverine, etc. in every ML wave.

 

Now you're gonna tell me Kamandi and Dr. Mid-Nite are aimed at kids.

 

"If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand."

 

Like what? You're only beef is you think it's "extortion", which is one of the dumbest thing I've heard on this board.

 

"Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet."

 

That's all you guys do, keep it a "vibrant topic". Have any of you actually done anything to force Mattel to change its business model? Let's not forget you're another one of these hypocrites who can't say anything good about Mattel but can't stop buying it's product.

 

And I apologize if I made it sound like all of you guys are unaware of marketing strategies. I just meant the guy who needs to tell us who he is in every post.

 

Now Flounnderr, you're more than welcome to point out any errors or "editing" I made in this comment or the previous one. You couldn't do it last time so I doubt you can do it now.

 

But you keep on making the topics vibrant.

 

Thank you for your comments. I like them so much, I've given you plus 1's, Unfortunately i reached my quota today.

 

Do you see any problems with CnC? I mean, if you're completely satisfied about how Mattel operates the CnC program then there's really nothing to discuss with you. If you do see problems with it, What are they? What do you think Mattel or the fan base should do about it?

 

regards

Joshua

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btw, i just came from TRU. It looks like Hasbro released another Star Wars Build a Droid wave. Guess they aren't done with that concept.

 

And my kid keeps bugging me to buy him four more star wars figs to complete a droid. I guess that proves what a horrible marketing strategy it is.

 

And yes, I was FORCED TO BUY THEM. /sarcasm. I told my son he would have to save money if he wanted to complete it. he seemed ok with it.

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Flounnderr, since you're a marketing expert perhaps you could explain why putting a piece of a larger item inside each figure in a wave is a bad strategy?

 

Perhaps you could also explain how 98 percent of the DC Universe or He-Man are more marketable to kids than Chris Jericho or Jake Sully?

 

I mean really, just give us a semblance that you know what you're talking about.

 

1) I think I've already covered my problems with CnC

 

2) DC Universe has incredible reach for multi-media, toys ect... they are a foundation of Global Pop culture. Same for Marvel. He Man has a more limited reach for 80's Nostalgia and the 200X cartoon. Dc has a constant presence in animation and is increasing their efforts in Movies.

 

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Joshua

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cjflan32,

 

I'm glad that you line edited all my comments. That's shows alot of determination and knowledge. You must be completely right. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

 

That's pretty much as far as the conversation is going to get, so i'm not going to continue repeating myself.

 

If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand. Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet.

 

I believe there are better ways to handle the CnC program that continue to be profitable for Mattel and enjoyable for Fans. Why can't both be satisfied?

 

DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe. THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye.

 

I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base. Creating division in the base through specific policies doesn't sound like a smart way to go about business, especially for a long term plan.

 

regards,

Joshua

 

PS- It's amazing and comical that you assume that nobody else on this site has any experience in marketing or business.

 

What's comical is the sarcasm you used to hide the fact that you don't have a clue about anything instead of telling me why I was wrong. And I didn't line edit your comments. Those are all word-for-word sentences cut where they weren't relevant anymore. It really wasn't hard. You're welcome to point out my errors.

 

Let's review what you've said in this thread:

 

You lied about the Kenner molds.

 

You're another collector who cries about being "forced" to buy toys.

 

I lost count how many times you contradicted yourself.

 

Then there's this post. Feel free to tell me what I edited:

 

"DCUC has the potential to be as great a line as Star Wars or Gi joe."

 

DCUC WILL NEVER BE G.I. JOE OR STAR WARS. G.I. Joe is the pinnacle of an action figure line and Star Wars is a phenomenon no other fan base can reach.

 

"THere are some major DC Movies coming up that can be used to hype the toys as well as cartoon series that keep obscure characters like, Gentleman Ghost, in the public eye."

 

There are two major DC movies scheduled right now. Green Lantern and Batman 3. That's it. More dishonesty.

 

"I think the price point and the CnC program inhibit parents from getting behind the line, so what's left is the collector base."

 

Do you know why parents can't get behind this line? Because kids can't get behind this line. Why can't kids get behind this line? Because it's aimed at collectors. If it was aimed at kids there'd be a Bats and Supes in every wave, like there were a Spidey, Wolverine, etc. in every ML wave.

 

Now you're gonna tell me Kamandi and Dr. Mid-Nite are aimed at kids.

 

"If you don't recongnize that there are problems with CnC, then i think you're just putting your head in the sand."

 

Like what? You're only beef is you think it's "extortion", which is one of the dumbest thing I've heard on this board.

 

"Keeping it a vibrant topic on forums is much more proactive than shutting down and staying quiet."

 

That's all you guys do, keep it a "vibrant topic". Have any of you actually done anything to force Mattel to change its business model? Let's not forget you're another one of these hypocrites who can't say anything good about Mattel but can't stop buying it's product.

 

And I apologize if I made it sound like all of you guys are unaware of marketing strategies. I just meant the guy who needs to tell us who he is in every post.

 

Now Flounnderr, you're more than welcome to point out any errors or "editing" I made in this comment or the previous one. You couldn't do it last time so I doubt you can do it now.

 

But you keep on making the topics vibrant.

 

Thank you for your comments. I like them so much, I've given you plus 1's, Unfortunately i reached my quota today.

 

Do you see any problems with CnC? I mean, if you're completely satisfied about how Mattel operates the CnC program then there's really nothing to discuss with you. If you do see problems with it, What are they? What do you think Mattel or the fan base should do about it?

 

regards

Joshua

 

"Do you see any problems with CnC? I mean, if you're completely satisfied about how Mattel operates the CnC program then there's really nothing to discuss with you."

 

Would that be because you couldn't debate it? I'm not surprised.

 

DCUC and MOTUC are collector's lines consumed mostly by hardcore DC and MOTU fans. I'm willing to believe that there are more people who buy entire waves than those who buy individual figures.

 

How do I come to that conclusion? Mattel sells full waves of DCUC and MOTU subscriptions on its Web Site.

 

Build a Figure/Collect n Connect are the best thing to happen to toys in the decade. Galactus, Sentinels, Pitt, Grundy, on and on. Do you really think your collection is worse because of this concept? Mine sure as hell wasn't.

 

Still waiting to hear about those errors.

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