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I was continuing through DS9 and realized ath Jadzia was wearing blue. She is listed as the cheif science officer, like Spock. Didn't data fill that role too? I'm not sure what Data's official role was, he wasn't reporting to Geordi or Forge, but to the captain, so i'd guess he was Cheif science officer. Anyone know for sure?

 

I'm also curious as to why some of them like Troy and Six of 9 got to wear specaility uniforms. I always figured Uhara was some kind of "space pentecostal" and didn't believe women should wear pants. But I don't see any reason why the other two ladies named got special uniforms.

 

Anyone else catch any weird uniform questions? or maybe could answer mine?

 

Data was 3rd officer and the head operations officer.

 

Troi was allowed to wear "special" cloathjing because of her role as councilor.Civilian apparel makes patients feel more at ease.

 

70f9 was not a member of Starfleet.

 

Actually you mean he was the second officer.Riker was first he was second

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data is a robot servant and should have no higher rank

 

 

LMAO A servant? Picard wasn't going to treat him like that :rolleyes:

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data is a robot servant and should have no higher rank

 

 

LMAO A servant? Picard wasn't going to treat him like that rolleyes.gif

 

like Ripley you can't trust androids whether its Data or Bishop. if i had it my way Data would be more useful serving chips and dips on the bridge.

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data is a robot servant and should have no higher rank

 

 

LMAO A servant? Picard wasn't going to treat him like that rolleyes.gif

 

like Ripley you can't trust androids whether its Data or Bishop. if i had it my way Data would be more useful serving chips and dips on the bridge.

 

 

It looks like your confusing Data with Lore

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like Ripley you can't trust androids whether its Data or Bishop. if i had it my way Data would be more useful serving chips and dips on the bridge.

 

 

@loll@

 

(lol) I love it...

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Illogic movie or not, it was one he'll of an opener and what the franchise sorely needed!!! I'm only hoping they don't try to bring in yet another original series actor into the movie!!! Spock was fine, let's just focus on the new actors!!! No more bridging old with new!!!

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I was continuing through DS9 and realized ath Jadzia was wearing blue. She is listed as the cheif science officer, like Spock. Didn't data fill that role too? I'm not sure what Data's official role was, he wasn't reporting to Geordi or Forge, but to the captain, so i'd guess he was Cheif science officer. Anyone know for sure?

 

I'm also curious as to why some of them like Troy and Six of 9 got to wear specaility uniforms. I always figured Uhara was some kind of "space pentecostal" and didn't believe women should wear pants. But I don't see any reason why the other two ladies named got special uniforms.

 

Anyone else catch any weird uniform questions? or maybe could answer mine?

 

Data was 3rd officer and the head operations officer.

 

Troi was allowed to wear "special" cloathjing because of her role as councilor.Civilian apparel makes patients feel more at ease.

 

70f9 was not a member of Starfleet.

 

Actually you mean he was the second officer.Riker was first he was second

 

 

Yes, that was a typo

 

2. Why did Nero just wait for x years while in the past ?

 

He didnt wait.

 

He was locked in a Klingon prison.

3. and how on earth, regardless of performance did one man get captain in one day? Acting maybe but awarded his hwole ship with so little experience? the best in the fleet? completely illogical.

 

 

He also had a few years of the academy...which includes field work on other ships.

 

 

Thanks for the info. But didn't 7 of 9 wear a star fleet comm badge?

 

Yes she had a communicator badge.

 

But no, she was not a member of Starfleet.

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--Why have a window on the bridge? The human eye cannot discern at the distances that the ship engages objects at--which is why the need a viewscreen in the first place--so why have a window? Its like putting a window on a submarine--you cannot see anything to begin with.

 

It wasnt a regular window.

 

It had digital properties.

 

-Why is that someone standing on Delta Vega can see Vulcan implode, but you cannot see Delta Vega from Vulcan???

 

Who says you cant see Delta Vega from Vulcan??

 

Maybe it can only be seen from a pRTICULAR PART OF THE PLANET vULCAN DURRING CERTIN SEASONS.

 

--How is it possible that Chekhov can be a Star Fleet Ensign at age 17, and presumably have gone through 4 years of the Academy. That would mean we was 13 years old when he enlisted in Star Fleet. He's not old enough to masturbate, but he's old enough to actually become an astronaut?

And then he's assigned a command position which involves using voice-activated devices......and he has a speech impediment?

 

Same way there are college students at the age of 12.

 

He's a prodigy.

 

-Why would Spock waste ship resources and maroon Kirk on an ice-world ( Delta Vega), when the Enterprise supposedly has a brig?

 

He was having an emotional outburst.

 

It was part of the story.

 

-Why would Spock Prime emphatically state that young Spock must never learn of the elder's existence to Kirk, and then go meet young Spock directly himself?????

 

It was part of his ploy to get them together.

-Why is Scotty allowed full access to the Enterprise's systems, when he's been reprimanded to a backwater outpost just prior? Does that mean if a ship's crew LIKES YOU, then you get to be part of the crew.......the command crew????

 

They didnt have many options at the time.Regardless of that "reprimand" he was the most qualified.

 

-Why is that the Enterprise can, with a simple programming upgrade via Spock Prime to Scotty, transport someone from Saturn to near Earth orbit? Bear in mind that all prior literature on Star Trek says that the transporter is a device with a practical limitation from ground to orbit-a maximum distance of maybe 1000 miles. Saturn is an average of about 800 MILLION miles distance from Earth.

 

I believe they explained that by saying the universe is moving as well.

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I was continuing through DS9 and realized ath Jadzia was wearing blue. She is listed as the cheif science officer, like Spock. Didn't data fill that role too? I'm not sure what Data's official role was, he wasn't reporting to Geordi or Forge, but to the captain, so i'd guess he was Cheif science officer. Anyone know for sure?

 

I'm also curious as to why some of them like Troy and Six of 9 got to wear specaility uniforms. I always figured Uhara was some kind of "space pentecostal" and didn't believe women should wear pants. But I don't see any reason why the other two ladies named got special uniforms.

 

Anyone else catch any weird uniform questions? or maybe could answer mine?

 

Data was 3rd officer and the head operations officer.

 

Troi was allowed to wear "special" cloathjing because of her role as councilor.Civilian apparel makes patients feel more at ease.

 

70f9 was not a member of Starfleet.

 

Actually you mean he was the second officer.Riker was first he was second

 

 

Yes, that was a typo

 

 

 

 

That was you?

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It wasnt a regular window.

 

It had digital properties.

Submarines use digital "windows" too......but they don't have actual windows for the same reason, there's nothing to see unless its REALLY close. Furthermore, there's not a whole lot to see close by ( say, for docking at a space station)at that location on the ship ( top of the saucer). Its one of those carry-over affectations that make no sense, and its exacerbated by the size of the window.

 

Same way there are college students at the age of 12.

 

He's a prodigy.

12 yr old college students, sure........12 year old astronauts? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

So this new Star Trek Universe is conjoined with the Doogie Howser Universe too? :rolleyes:

Prodigies don't mean maturity--I just do not buy that with the character.

 

I believe they explained that by saying the universe is moving as well.

Me thinks the Universe ain't moving THAT much in that short period of time to grant them that kind of stretch for the technology.

 

He was having an emotional outburst.

 

It was part of the story.

And yet Starfleet has regulations out the yin yang for all manner of situations ( including emotionally compromised commanders), but they "best" option is to maroon someone on a alien world via an escape pod, and no-one on the command crew questions that? As "part of the story" that's incredibly contrived and sloppy writing.

 

They didnt have many options at the time.Regardless of that "reprimand" he was the most qualified.

Aaah, so the "best and the brightest" that Starfleet has to offer (see the Chekhov problem again) are all these dysfunctional types and they crew up with whatever they have on hand on the flagship of the fleet???

If they are so hard up for skilled people , then why is Scotty relegated to a backwater outpost? If messing with Archer's dog is that big of a transaction that a engineer THAT skilled is to be wasted in such a posting, why wouldn't someone come and get the guy for the ship in the first place???

 

And while we are on Scotty, let's talk about Sulu.......he's the guy they pick --OUT OF ALL THE CREW--to go on a combat mission because he says he has some "hand-to-hand training"?? On the whole crew there's no security specialists?

That's kind of an important crew posting for a ship, especially the flagship.

 

Oh, I'm not done yet............Spock sucking face with Uhura.....y'know, if there's regs for command crew being "emotionally compromised", then wouldn't it follow for two command crew to be forbidden to be in a intimate relationship? Even if they are doing it behind everyone's back, that kind of infraction would be a career-ender for both because intimate relationship in command circles create compromising situations.

 

See, this is my problem with what was done with Star Trek...in order to make it hip and happening again, they upped the bullsh!t and dropped the logic. It IS Star Trek 90210--all the fluff, and none of the "stuff".

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I was continuing through DS9 and realized ath Jadzia was wearing blue. She is listed as the cheif science officer, like Spock. Didn't data fill that role too? I'm not sure what Data's official role was, he wasn't reporting to Geordi or Forge, but to the captain, so i'd guess he was Cheif science officer. Anyone know for sure?

 

I'm also curious as to why some of them like Troy and Six of 9 got to wear specaility uniforms. I always figured Uhara was some kind of "space pentecostal" and didn't believe women should wear pants. But I don't see any reason why the other two ladies named got special uniforms.

 

Anyone else catch any weird uniform questions? or maybe could answer mine?

 

Data was 3rd officer and the head operations officer.

 

Troi was allowed to wear "special" cloathjing because of her role as councilor.Civilian apparel makes patients feel more at ease.

 

70f9 was not a member of Starfleet.

 

Actually you mean he was the second officer.Riker was first he was second

 

 

Yes, that was a typo

 

 

 

 

That was you?

 

 

Yep.

 

That was the old usename.

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Submarines use digital "windows" too......but they don't have actual windows for the same reason, there's nothing to see unless its REALLY close. Furthermore, there's not a whole lot to see close by ( say, for docking at a space station)at that location on the ship ( top of the saucer). Its one of those carry-over affectations that make no sense, and its exacerbated by the size of the window.

 

I'll agree the size of the window was a mistake.

 

But the use of one wasnt.

 

It was just a creative choise.

 

12 yr old college students, sure........12 year old astronauts? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

Their not astronauts.

 

And the academy is set up like a college.Its a school one enters after high school.

 

 

Me thinks the Universe ain't moving THAT much in that short period of time to grant them that kind of stretch for the technology.

 

Me thinks that given what we actually know about the universe and the fictional tech your making a bad assumption.

 

And yet Starfleet has regulations out the yin yang for all manner of situations ( including emotionally compromised commanders), but they "best" option is to maroon someone on a alien world via an escape pod, and no-one on the command crew questions that? As "part of the story" that's incredibly contrived and sloppy writing.

 

Ever make a bad desision when you were pissed off??

 

Ever say or do something you regretted while you were pissed???

 

Thats what they were trying to convey here.Spock was so emotinally charged that he was making bad decisions.....and his pride and logic wouldnt allow him to see it himself.

 

Aaah, so the "best and the brightest" that Starfleet has to offer (see the Chekhov problem again) are all these dysfunctional types and they crew up with whatever they have on hand on the flagship of the fleet???[/qCheckov problem".

 

Pavel may have been a wonder child......but he wasnt an Engineer, nor did he have the experience that Scotty had.

 

And Scotty seemed to be a genius in the field.

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If they are so hard up for skilled people , then why is Scotty relegated to a backwater outpost?

 

He made a mistake and everyone thougt his theroies were wrong.

 

It was a political move, not one based on incompetance.

 

If messing with Archer's dog is that big of a transaction that a engineer THAT skilled is to be wasted in such a posting, why wouldn't someone come and get the guy for the ship in the first place???

 

Think about it.

 

Its not soly that it was Archer's dog...but the fact that it was a life.What do you think they would do with a guy that risked someones life, on an un-authorized test, and then lost the person???

 

He's lucky he wasnt booted out of the fleet all together.

And while we are on Scotty, let's talk about Sulu.......he's the guy they pick --OUT OF ALL THE CREW--to go on a combat mission because he says he has some "hand-to-hand training"?? On the whole crew there's no security specialists?

 

Did you watch the early part of the film??

 

The ship was full of training cadets.

 

The ship and crew were not due to go into full service for quite some time.They were forced into full service.And werent expecting any kind of conflict.

 

Its not un-common for training ships to only have a few regular officers.

 

Although their should have been a few at command they could have transferred.

That's kind of an important crew posting for a ship, especially the flagship.

Oh, I'm not done yet............Spock sucking face with Uhura.....y'know, if there's regs for command crew being "emotionally compromised", then wouldn't it follow for two command crew to be forbidden to be in a intimate relationship? Even if they are doing it behind everyone's back, that kind of infraction would be a career-ender for both because intimate relationship in command circles create compromising situations.

 

Picard and Crusher

Riker and Troi

Worf and Troi

Data and Yar

Word and Dax

Bashier and Dax

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Their not astronauts.

They work in space, onboard spacecraft--what does that make them? Gynaecologists??? @loll@

 

Me thinks that given what we actually know about the universe and the fictional tech your making a bad assumption.

 

Oh, you do, do you?

Going by their own internal logic, in the ORIGINAL Star Trek series the transporter had a range of about 100 miles, give or take a couple hundred miles.

That is about the distance from the current ISS down to the ground.

The Moon is about 250,000 miles distance, and there's never been a indication in canon that transporters can work that range. Even in the Next Gen stories, the practical max range is about 9300 miles ( 15000 km), a minimal improvement in range considering the distances starships travel.

There was no other indication they can beam someone much further than that.

 

But now, in this new storyland, all that gets tossed out the window, they can beam from Earth orbit to Saturn's rings, at will. That's not just diverging from the internal logic of the original, its ignoring it completely.

Think about it, they now have the technical capability to beam to a planet's surface and not even orbit the planet--not even enter that part of the system the planet is in. THAT starts changing the paradigm of what Star Trek is. Do they even need to travel to these strange new worlds at all anymore?

Not according to the internal logic of the new movie--they can just beam you around to where you want to go.

 

 

Ever make a bad desision when you were pissed off??

 

Ever say or do something you regretted while you were pissed???

 

Thats what they were trying to convey here.Spock was so emotinally charged that he was making bad decisions.....and his pride and logic wouldnt allow him to see it himself.

 

That's poor story reasoning there. See, that kind of thing is why the chain of command has checks and balances in it to prevent that kind of command dysfunction. The analogy is supposed to be like a modern aircraft carrier, the guy in charge might make the decision to do something half-cocked, but there's other competent officers around him to check his decision to make sure its sound. The ship is too much of an asset to risk operating any other way.

Your excuse is going to be that there's not enough competent officers to have that decision circle? Uh-uh.......again, the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet, an asset that cannot be risked managed by incompetent staffing. If they cannot crew the ship properly, then launching it is foolhardy and irresponsible. Sure the way it is in the movie is dramatic, and drama is what drives the story.........but logic is what makes the story digestible.....and this story makes so little sense that it cannot be stomached. It puts drama ahead of internal logic....and that is a bad call.

 

See, this is the reason for my negative stance--they are trying to sex up the franchise and in doing so they are foregoing all the attributes that made it unique the first place. Maybe this is what audiences want--I don't know because I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what people like in this film- or maybe its because its so different from the original.

I don;t care if its different, but I DO care if its congruent, and this movie is about as incongruent as any I have seen.

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They work in space, onboard spacecraft--what does that make them? Gynaecologists??? @loll@

 

I see the point your trying to make but come on, astronauts???

 

Not everyone that works on a ship is a sailor.

 

Their Starfleet officers.....therir more akin to military or air force.And their are cadets in those accadamys as earlir as 12 as well.

 

Oh, you do, do you?

 

Yep

Going by their own internal logic, in the ORIGINAL Star Trek series the transporter had a range of about 100 miles, give or take a couple hundred miles.

 

Actually your incorrect.Even in the original series they were transporting from high to mid obit to planet side and thats at about 22236 miles.

 

Most transporters from Spock Primes time had a rang of 15,000km, which equals to about 9,320.568 miles [if my math is right]

There was no other indication they can beam someone much further than that.

 

There was an indication given by Spock prime.

 

He said Scotty figured out the formula in the future.And it seems possible since we have seen other races figure out different ways to long distance transport.

But now, in this new storyland, all that gets tossed out the window, they can beam from Earth orbit to Saturn's rings, at will. That's not just diverging from the internal logic of the original, its ignoring it completely.

 

Not at all, because they explained it.

 

Had they not explained that they could do it because of info from the future then I would agree with you.

 

Now you may not like how they explained it, but that doesnt mean the explanation was illogical.

 

That's poor story reasoning there. See, that kind of thing is why the chain of command has checks and balances in it to prevent that kind of command dysfunction.

 

Such check's and blanmces werent available.

 

Spock was the only full officer still on bord.

 

The Captain was off ship

The chief medical officer was dead.

The Chief engineer was dead.

 

And , as I pointed out before.the ship was strafed with cadets for a training mission.

 

There was no one to imploy the chain of command blance system.

 

Granmted, there should have been some officers at command they should have transferred to the ship.

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Actually your incorrect.Even in the original series they were transporting from high to mid obit to planet side and thats at about 22236 miles.

 

Most transporters from Spock Primes time had a rang of 15,000km, which equals to about 9,320.568 miles [if my math is right]

 

 

I think thats wa overboard 22,000 miles? The Enterprise orbits were way closer than that

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Actually your incorrect.Even in the original series they were transporting from high to mid obit to planet side and thats at about 22236 miles.

 

Most transporters from Spock Primes time had a rang of 15,000km, which equals to about 9,320.568 miles [if my math is right]

 

 

I think thats wa overboard 22,000 miles? The Enterprise orbits were way closer than that

 

Thats possible.

 

I was just guessing by high obits.Still far more then a few 100 miles.

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Actually your incorrect.Even in the original series they were transporting from high to mid obit to planet side and thats at about 22236 miles.

 

Most transporters from Spock Primes time had a rang of 15,000km, which equals to about 9,320.568 miles [if my math is right]

 

So what is it? 40,000 km or 15,000 km--because there's a big difference between the two?? Worse, the latter number is from the later, more technologically sophisticated time which makes no sense.

IIRC the info I gave was in the Making of Star Trek, by Steven Whitfield--and probably has been superseded by later canon. I'd swear it was 100 miles range to the point I'm certain of it.

 

 

I see the point your trying to make but come on, astronauts???

 

Not everyone that works on a ship is a sailor.

 

Someone posted to a military ship, yep, they are considered sailors.

In our current space services, anyone that works in space is considered an astronaut-even if their specific job title is "mission specialist"--the catch-all term for them all is astronaut--or in Russia; cosmonaut.

The carry-over to the fictional future makes anyone, in Starfleet operating in space, an astronaut.

What else would they be called?

 

 

Now you may not like how they explained it, but that doesnt mean the explanation was illogical.

The reason I don't like the explanation is because its illogical. To me, its like saying the new Enterprise could do warp 20--its a change for the sake of change, something that the new Trek seem to have recklessly embraced.

 

Make no mistake, in a divergent view, change is inevitable--but change THAT RADICAL is incongruent with what has gone before. Its not a divergence in that case, its an abrogation......a total abandonment of what's gone on before. Simply put, this new Star Trek is not my thang and to quote Mr Horse: " No sir, I don't like it".

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So what is it? 40,000 km or 15,000 km--because there's a big difference between the two?? Worse, the latter number is from the later, more technologically sophisticated time which makes no sense.

 

According to some tech manuals ,which I know arent really canon, the transporters of TNG tru DS9 have a max rang of 15,000 km during optimal conditions.

 

And I would say the fact that its from a more advanced time tech wise is irrelevant.

 

LaForge said in the TNG episode "Relics" that basic transporter tech hadnt changed much from Scotty's time.

IIRC the info I gave was in the Making of Star Trek, by Steven Whitfield--and probably has been superseded by later canon. I'd swear it was 100 miles range to the point I'm certain of it.

 

Again, to transport for even low obit it had to be far more then 100 miles range.

 

 

Someone posted to a military ship, yep, they are considered sailors.

In our current space services, anyone that works in space is considered an astronaut-even if their specific job title is "mission specialist"--the catch-all term for them all is astronaut--or in Russia; cosmonaut.

The carry-over to the fictional future makes anyone, in Starfleet operating in space, an astronaut.

What else would they be called?

 

Just seems to small a title to me.

 

 

The reason I don't like the explanation is because its illogical. To me, its like saying the new Enterprise could do warp 20--its a change for the sake of change, something that the new Trek seem to have recklessly embraced.

 

Sorry but it makes perfect sence to me.

 

Its not the first time we've seen tech from the future or from an other race do what was said could not be done in a particular time period.

 

And I really dont see this advancement causing a big change to how starfleet explores the universe.....at least not for some time.

 

So far they have only stated that this new capability only works within a starsystem.

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Do they ever actually state what time period Spock Alpha came from in reference to the original timeline? I know it is post TNG/DS9/Voyager time, but how far? Vulcans are a race with longevity, and Spock's age here appears to be quite a bit older than he had aged in the time between Star Trek 6 and his appearance on TNG. Perhaps there were breakthroughs in tranporter technology after that timeframe. Scotty was still alive post TNG/DS9/Voyager, so perhaps that was when he originally figured out how to transport that great of a distance.

 

Also, his formula was based on the target ship being in warp, which bends space, so perhaps that is what allowed transporting such great distances. Both times we see them transport such distances, the target ships are in warp. Enterprise was in warp from Vulcan to Earth, and Nero's ship was in warp to Earth. At least I think it still was at the time they transported, but i might be mistaken.

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Do they ever actually state what time period Spock Alpha came from in reference to the original timeline? I know it is post TNG/DS9/Voyager time, but how far? Vulcans are a race with longevity, and Spock's age here appears to be quite a bit older than he had aged in the time between Star Trek 6 and his appearance on TNG.

 

Spock Alpha said, in his mind meld with Nu Kirk, that he traveled from 129 years in the future.

 

Which would make it from the year 2387, which would make it 8 years after Star Trek Nemisis.

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