Who is faster Superman or Flash

[Doom Saber]

Those pages SuperPowers posted made me notice something...

 

The Flash has an smooth aerodynamic mask, a perfectly form-fitting uniform, and treads on his boots and at best, he can keep up with Superman. Superman has an exposed head of full fluffy hair, a big cape, and perfectly smooth-bottom boots and he can still outrun the Flash! Running BACKWARDS, Superman could still outrun the Flash!

 

Even if say, the Flash's costume is coated with Kryptonite

 

 

 

No offense, but all your posts make it out as Superman is unstoppable and is the best at everything. I am sure it isn't true since there are other Kryptonians out there.

[Fanatic]

C'mon, are we really deep into discussion like this? No need, Flash has always been the fastest man alive! FACT!

 

/topic

[I AM SCI-FI]

The Flash, both Barry and Wally.

And, that's a FLASH FACT!

 

In the last issue of Flash: Reborn Wally and Barry were talking about how Wally was able to travel through time without the treadmill, and then they both do it without the blasted thing.

 

With so many voting for Flash, and so few for Supes, MasterJailer seems too biased to look at the evidence that's been presented before him. Not meaning to pick on him, or anything. That's just how it seems to me.

[MasterJailer]

 

In the last issue of Flash: Reborn Wally and Barry were talking about how Wally was able to travel through time without the treadmill, and then they both do it without the blasted thing.

 

Well, that certainly is a bit of revisionism. Did this Flash: Reborn explain why in the world the Flash would bother to build a time-traveling treadmill if he really didn't need it? Please don't explain it to me. It is most likely a bit of forced reasoning used to justify the writer arbitrarily discarding an established asect of the character he didn't want to deal with.

 

 

With so many voting for Flash, and so few for Supes, MasterJailer seems too biased to look at the evidence that's been presented before him.

 

Actually, I've explained repeatedly why Superman is faster than the Flash and I've logically supported my position on this. The Flash fanaticss however mostly counter with the empty "The Flash is faster... 'cuz he is!"

[Superpowers1980]

The Flash, both Barry and Wally.

And, that's a FLASH FACT!

 

In the last issue of Flash: Reborn Wally and Barry were talking about how Wally was able to travel through time without the treadmill, and then they both do it without the blasted thing.

 

With so many voting for Flash, and so few for Supes, MasterJailer seems too biased to look at the evidence that's been presented before him. Not meaning to pick on him, or anything. That's just how it seems to me.

 

That is just pushing it a little tooooo far, now they are speeding through time and such, things are a little out of hand with the Flash's. DC needs a good editor to bring things back to the center.

[EldestSon]

 

In the last issue of Flash: Reborn Wally and Barry were talking about how Wally was able to travel through time without the treadmill, and then they both do it without the blasted thing.

 

Well, that certainly is a bit of revisionism. Did this Flash: Reborn explain why in the world the Flash would bother to build a time-traveling treadmill if he really didn't need it? Please don't explain it to me. It is most likely a bit of forced reasoning used to justify the writer arbitrarily discarding an established asect of the character he didn't want to deal with.

 

 

With so many voting for Flash, and so few for Supes, MasterJailer seems too biased to look at the evidence that's been presented before him.

 

Actually, I've explained repeatedly why Superman is faster than the Flash and I've logically supported my position on this. The Flash fanaticss however mostly counter with the empty "The Flash is faster... 'cuz he is!"

 

Actually we (and again, I'm not Flash Fanatic) are pointing at the most recent example where Barry blows Superman away. We are pointing at the list of Flash vs Superman races...wherein all the races are either tied or go to Flash. We are pointing to a quote from an editor in chief saying Flash is faster. These are actual facts.

 

Where are your facts? Oh, yeah, a few frames of a comic where Superman is currently ahead of Flash. Another where Flash and Supes are neck and neck. How did those races end btw?

[EldestSon]

The Flash, both Barry and Wally.

And, that's a FLASH FACT!

 

In the last issue of Flash: Reborn Wally and Barry were talking about how Wally was able to travel through time without the treadmill, and then they both do it without the blasted thing.

 

With so many voting for Flash, and so few for Supes, MasterJailer seems too biased to look at the evidence that's been presented before him. Not meaning to pick on him, or anything. That's just how it seems to me.

 

That is just pushing it a little tooooo far, now they are speeding through time and such, things are a little out of hand with the Flash's. DC needs a good editor to bring things back to the center.

 

I get into arguments about Flash all the time (Flash vs ______). The guy I argue with always brings up all this BS overpower crap that Flash has done in the past. Trust me, from what I've seen, Flash being overpowered is nothing new.

[Moshbot]

Oh,c´mon!!! The writer!?!!? This doesn´t depend of what the writer wants. It´s something that is stablished. Batman is a better fighter than Nightwing, he might win one out of ten fights, but he is better than nightwing. Same thing with Superman / Flash. Flash is just faster.

 

Its "established"? You think that holds water? LOL! They've done this story several times over the past 40 years, and they establishwho wins based off the arbitrary criteria of each story. In other words, it comes from the writer.

 

You can contrive ANY reason for ANY character to trump another. You can construct a story so that Daredevil can fight Galactus, AND WIN.

Flash can beat Superman, if you write the story this way, and Superman can beat the Flash if you write it that way.

 

That's why its considered fiction.

 

Established as in Daredevil CAN´T beat Galactus, the writer would be stupid, established as in general consensus, as in common sense, as in Superman can´t do everything because it would be a boring character. Besides writers taking too much deliberations while writing.

[EldestSon]

Oh,c´mon!!! The writer!?!!? This doesn´t depend of what the writer wants. It´s something that is stablished. Batman is a better fighter than Nightwing, he might win one out of ten fights, but he is better than nightwing. Same thing with Superman / Flash. Flash is just faster.

 

Its "established"? You think that holds water? LOL! They've done this story several times over the past 40 years, and they establishwho wins based off the arbitrary criteria of each story. In other words, it comes from the writer.

 

You can contrive ANY reason for ANY character to trump another. You can construct a story so that Daredevil can fight Galactus, AND WIN.

Flash can beat Superman, if you write the story this way, and Superman can beat the Flash if you write it that way.

 

That's why its considered fiction.

 

Established as in Daredevil CAN´T beat Galactus, the writer would be stupid, established as in general consensus, as in common sense, as in Superman can´t do everything because it would be a boring character. Besides writers taking too much deliberations while writing.

 

Too late. @firedevil@

[ARROW]

Oh,c´mon!!! The writer!?!!? This doesn´t depend of what the writer wants. It´s something that is stablished. Batman is a better fighter than Nightwing, he might win one out of ten fights, but he is better than nightwing. Same thing with Superman / Flash. Flash is just faster.

 

Its "established"? You think that holds water? LOL! They've done this story several times over the past 40 years, and they establishwho wins based off the arbitrary criteria of each story. In other words, it comes from the writer.

 

You can contrive ANY reason for ANY character to trump another. You can construct a story so that Daredevil can fight Galactus, AND WIN.

Flash can beat Superman, if you write the story this way, and Superman can beat the Flash if you write it that way.

 

That's why its considered fiction.

 

Established as in Daredevil CAN´T beat Galactus, the writer would be stupid, established as in general consensus, as in common sense, as in Superman can´t do everything because it would be a boring character. Besides writers taking too much deliberations while writing.

 

 

Just to humour you for 5 minutes:

Yes, Daredevil CAN beat Galactus. You have to have a contrived story, but it can happen. The contrivance is that Galactus has to be reduced to such a low ebb of power that he could be defeated by a invalid granny in a wheelchair. Missing her dentures.

And there is a precedent, Galactus HAS been brought to that low a power level before ( Fantastic Four #243)so all DD needed was an excuse to come along and kick his can.

 

So BY THEIR OWN EXAMPLES, it can be constructed to happen, and the construction is just one many, many possible stories.

 

Just as any other story can happen however the writer wants. @smilepunch@

[CaptainTriumph]

Flash built the cosmic treadmill so he could go to a specific place or time not to help him travel trough time. Its a navigator not an enabler.

 

Even Jay Garrick was shown to be able to time travel in the 40's.

[darthfoley]

I keep waiting for someone to start speaking in third person.

[Wolverine042]

Flash is faster than supes....

 

somebody here is in denial.

[Wolverine042]

Usain Bolt is the fastest. end of argument.

[HarryWildman]

The Whizzer! End of discussion.

[Van Flyheit]

Those pages SuperPowers posted made me notice something...

 

The Flash has an smooth aerodynamic mask, a perfectly form-fitting uniform, and treads on his boots and at best, he can keep up with Superman. Superman has an exposed head of full fluffy hair, a big cape, and perfectly smooth-bottom boots and he can still outrun the Flash! Running BACKWARDS, Superman could still outrun the Flash!

 

And those pages have Wally vs Supes. The earlier page of Flash BLOWING SUPERMAN AWAY is Barry.

 

Also, I think those are pre-Speed Force.

 

Also, also, if you look at one my earlier posts, you'll see a list of their races. What you won't see is that Superman won any of them...vs any of the Flashes.

 

^--- This

 

C'mon, are we really deep into discussion like this? No need, Flash has always been the fastest man alive! FACT!

 

/topic

 

^--- And also this

 

Oh,c´mon!!! The writer!?!!? This doesn´t depend of what the writer wants. It´s something that is stablished. Batman is a better fighter than Nightwing, he might win one out of ten fights, but he is better than nightwing. Same thing with Superman / Flash. Flash is just faster.

 

Its "established"? You think that holds water? LOL! They've done this story several times over the past 40 years, and they establishwho wins based off the arbitrary criteria of each story. In other words, it comes from the writer.

 

You can contrive ANY reason for ANY character to trump another. You can construct a story so that Daredevil can fight Galactus, AND WIN.

Flash can beat Superman, if you write the story this way, and Superman can beat the Flash if you write it that way.

 

That's why its considered fiction.

 

Established as in Daredevil CAN´T beat Galactus, the writer would be stupid, established as in general consensus, as in common sense, as in Superman can´t do everything because it would be a boring character. Besides writers taking too much deliberations while writing.

 

 

Just to humour you for 5 minutes:

Yes, Daredevil CAN beat Galactus. You have to have a contrived story, but it can happen. The contrivance is that Galactus has to be reduced to such a low ebb of power that he could be defeated by a invalid granny in a wheelchair. Missing her dentures.

And there is a precedent, Galactus HAS been brought to that low a power level before ( Fantastic Four #243)so all DD needed was an excuse to come along and kick his can.

 

So BY THEIR OWN EXAMPLES, it can be constructed to happen, and the construction is just one many, many possible stories.

 

Just as any other story can happen however the writer wants. @smilepunch@

 

 

^--- And, this as well

 

There is a fundamental problem in discussions like this because there will always be those who understand that these are comics, and not real life, and there will always be those who don't understand that the writers can do anything they want.

 

And even besides that, some people don't know that Barry is a different Flash than Wally, and also, there was a little thing called Crisis On Infinite Earths (probably before they were born) that changed everything.

 

For instance, pre-Crisis Superman was able to do a lot of things post-Crisis Superman couldn't. Like travel in time with a thought, fly as fast as light, fly through a star, survive without oxygen forever, etc.

 

I believe Byrne retconned all that. Not sure what Supes powerset is post-Infinite Crisis/Final Crisis but I doubt he is Jehovah and Allah all rolled into one the way he was before COIE.

 

Now the Flash (Barry), he has actually been UPGRADED since some of these Crises. He is now basically the be-all and end-all when it comes to speed. Or was, last time I knew.

 

It seems like as someone said, THE WRITERS nowadays want him to "have speed", since it's his "thing". And they want Superman to have some limts.

 

Call it being overpowered if you want (and actually, I believe that 90% of comic book char. powers are so unrealistic that comics are only really useful to read for the dramatic element, not the technical details) but that is the way DC Comics stands atm.

[MasterJailer]

 

Actually we (and again, I'm not Flash Fanatic) are pointing at the most recent example where Barry blows Superman away. We are pointing at the list of Flash vs Superman races...wherein all the races are either tied or go to Flash. We are pointing to a quote from an editor in chief saying Flash is faster. These are actual facts.

 

Where are your facts? Oh, yeah, a few frames of a comic where Superman is currently ahead of Flash. Another where Flash and Supes are neck and neck. How did those races end btw?

 

Most Flash-Superman races ended inconclusively. This is irrelevant. Modern Superman-Flash races can be dismissed because they are terrible stories written by lousy writers who buy into that philosophy where the Flash has one power so he should be the best at it. Aquaman's power is to swim. Is he also faster than Superman when he's swimming?

 

Superman once used his super-speed to create a water-spout that connected the Earth's oceans to an ocean on another planet. This allowed a city full of Atlantean mermen to swim to this other planet that Superman had given to them as a gift. Can the Flash do this? Noooo! The Flash slips and falls down when Captain Cold shoots ice at his feet.

 

Here's some more bad news for the Flash-heads. Not only is the Flash NOT the fastest man in the DC Universe, he isn't even THIRD!!! He's outclassed by Superman (and we can add the whole Superman Family as well as the Bizarros here), Captain Marvel (and the whole Marvel Family) and Green Lantern (And he brings the whole GL Corps with him too!)

[MasterJailer]

The Whizzer! End of discussion.

 

Well, now I'll sit down. No way a Kryptonian or a man doused in lightning struck chemicals can be faster than a man with mongoose blood flowing in his veins! The Whizzer all the way!

[RockthePlank]

Actually we (and again, I'm not Flash Fanatic) are pointing at the most recent example where Barry blows Superman away. We are pointing at the list of Flash vs Superman races...wherein all the races are either tied or go to Flash. We are pointing to a quote from an editor in chief saying Flash is faster. These are actual facts.

 

Where are your facts? Oh, yeah, a few frames of a comic where Superman is currently ahead of Flash. Another where Flash and Supes are neck and neck. How did those races end btw?

 

Most Flash-Superman races ended inconclusively. This is irrelevant. Modern Superman-Flash races can be dismissed because they are terrible stories written by lousy writers who buy into that philosophy where the Flash has one power so he should be the best at it. Aquaman's power is to swim. Is he also faster than Superman when he's swimming?

 

Superman once used his super-speed to create a water-spout that connected the Earth's oceans to an ocean on another planet. This allowed a city full of Atlantean mermen to swim to this other planet that Superman had given to them as a gift. Can the Flash do this? Noooo! The Flash slips and falls down when Captain Cold shoots ice at his feet.

 

Here's some more bad news for the Flash-heads. Not only is the Flash NOT the fastest man in the DC Universe, he isn't even THIRD!!! He's outclassed by Superman (and we can add the whole Superman Family as well as the Bizarros here), Captain Marvel (and the whole Marvel Family) and Green Lantern (And he brings the whole GL Corps with him too!)

 

You gotta play the Troll Toll, if you want into this baby boy's hole, you got to pay the Troll Toll to get in. If you wan't the baby boy's hole, you gotta pay the Troll Toll, you gotta pay the Troll Toll to get in.

 

 

TROLL TOLL! WHAT'D YOU SAY! TROLL TOLL! HEY HEY HEY!

 

 

 

 

.....it's about you MisterJailer

[I AM SCI-FI]

Most Flash-Superman races ended inconclusively. This is irrelevant. Modern Superman-Flash races can be dismissed because they are terrible stories written by lousy writers who buy into that philosophy where the Flash has one power so he should be the best at it. Aquaman's power is to swim. Is he also faster than Superman when he's swimming?

So, just because certain stories where Flash wins were, in your opinion, poorly written by poor writers they don't count? Conceited much?

[I AM SCI-FI]

Most Flash-Superman races ended inconclusively. This is irrelevant. Modern Superman-Flash races can be dismissed because they are terrible stories written by lousy writers who buy into that philosophy where the Flash has one power so he should be the best at it. Aquaman's power is to swim. Is he also faster than Superman when he's swimming?

So, just because certain stories where Flash wins were, in your opinion, poorly written by poor writers, and you didn't agree with the outcome, they don't count? Conceited much?

[EldestSon]

 

Actually we (and again, I'm not Flash Fanatic) are pointing at the most recent example where Barry blows Superman away. We are pointing at the list of Flash vs Superman races...wherein all the races are either tied or go to Flash. We are pointing to a quote from an editor in chief saying Flash is faster. These are actual facts.

 

Where are your facts? Oh, yeah, a few frames of a comic where Superman is currently ahead of Flash. Another where Flash and Supes are neck and neck. How did those races end btw?

 

Most Flash-Superman races ended inconclusively. This is irrelevant. Modern Superman-Flash races can be dismissed because they are terrible stories written by lousy writers who buy into that philosophy where the Flash has one power so he should be the best at it. Aquaman's power is to swim. Is he also faster than Superman when he's swimming?

 

Superman once used his super-speed to create a water-spout that connected the Earth's oceans to an ocean on another planet. This allowed a city full of Atlantean mermen to swim to this other planet that Superman had given to them as a gift. Can the Flash do this? Noooo! The Flash slips and falls down when Captain Cold shoots ice at his feet.

 

Here's some more bad news for the Flash-heads. Not only is the Flash NOT the fastest man in the DC Universe, he isn't even THIRD!!! He's outclassed by Superman (and we can add the whole Superman Family as well as the Bizarros here), Captain Marvel (and the whole Marvel Family) and Green Lantern (And he brings the whole GL Corps with him too!)

 

Most?

 

 

http://www.hyperbore...lash/races.html

 

The Superman-Flash Races

* Races with Barry Allen

o The First Race (Superman #199) - Tie

o The Rematch (Flash #175) - Tie

o A Winner! (World’s Finest #198–199) - Flash

o DC Comics Presents #1–2

* Races with Wally West

o Superman/Flash: Race 1990! (Adventures of Superman #463) - Flash

o Fast Friends - Flash

* Races with Jay Garrick

o A DC First - Flash

* Other Races

o The Human Race (Flash #136–138) (Wally vs. Krakkl)

o Coming Soon

 

Count again. Add in the one from Flash-Rebirth. I love how every instance of Flash winning is irrelevant, but you can't even point to one race that Superman won.

 

Btw, do you find it necessary to flame/troll in your responses?

[darthfoley]

Surely there's a third person reference or a rant about not displaying our DCUC and DCSH and DCD figures all on the same shelf coming.

[EldestSon]

Surely there's a third person reference or a rant about not displaying our DCUC and DCSH and DCD figures all on the same shelf coming.

 

lol

[GrtEternal]

The Flash, definitely! @smilepunch@