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I have seen it and don't know why people are saying there is gay overtones in this cartoon. The movie has a lot of adult jokes, but they are more about the stuff that Steve says when he is tied up with the laso

 

Also, a lot of adult jokes are about hetero sex and not about girl on girl action. I was lookin fowards the lesbian jokes since I am a dude and all, but I couldn't find any.

 

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Wonder Woman ends up with Steve

 

 

With that said, Wonder Woman isn't gay in this movie.

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Not interested and thoroughly disappointed if the movie features gay over or undertones. I had enough of it with the stupid X-Men movies and Superman Returns which was even prompted as extremely gay by gay magazines. If this is so then the powers that be are taking extreme liberties with established characters. I will of course wait until the finished product arives but if what was mentioned was true then I will be sending unfavorable letters to DC and the production company. Enough is enough, bloody violence yes, that is what she is about, gay is not.

 

 

There is no gay overtones in it. I am disappointed there isn't, but yeah I could not find any some might think that the scene with Artemis holding a dead amazonian character at the end of the movie is gay. However, because the amazonians all refer themselves as sisters, one can see that as platonic

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I've not seen this movie but, I'm glad it wasn't made with kids in mind. We've had over 40 years of that, remember the Superfriend's team up with Scooby Doo? Yeah, I hate it too. Any comic movie should reflect the comic it's based on and since today's comics certainly aren't made for children this movie shouldn't be either. Too many things are directed at kids anyway.

 

Kids are the bigger market though--rather parents buying DVDs for kids are the bigger market. They don't make dozens of different Thomas the Tank Engine, or Dora the Explorer videos if they are slow sellers.

Anyone making cartoons for DVD release knows that you stand a better chance with the material being safer, so it reaches a bigger audience.

 

If the only thing these companies care about is profit, then they should abandon comic books and get into the porn industry. Quality material can not be squandered by the need to appeal to kids and their parents. By diluting these movies with kid friendly material, that's exactly what they would be doing. Really, who wants to watch Wonder Woman fight crime with Spongebob Squarepants and Pikachu? I'd rather see her kick ass.

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Not interested and thoroughly disappointed if the movie features gay over or undertones. I had enough of it with the stupid X-Men movies and Superman Returns which was even prompted as extremely gay by gay magazines. If this is so then the powers that be are taking extreme liberties with established characters. I will of course wait until the finished product arives but if what was mentioned was true then I will be sending unfavorable letters to DC and the production company. Enough is enough, bloody violence yes, that is what she is about, gay is not.

 

 

 

 

hold on, wait a miniuet! you think WW is all about violance & brutality?!?! Boy are u clueless & in the dark in regaurd to the Amozon princess mythos (& I mean that in a non sarcastic way).

 

Its true i'd rather have her straight (not to slight all my gay sisters out there hold'n it down), but to "green light" senceless violance & gasp & swoom at the prospect of a woman finding love in the arms of another woman is hardly something i'd call scandas.

 

As stated above WW has long been speculated to be gay, may I ask why are you just now taking issue with her sexuality (which ever way it may swing)?

WW isn't gay and has always had a long standing love interest in Steve Trevor and Superman and even recently in the comics Batman (an awesome one shot came out and was great). I don't mind the violence, its an ACTION CARTOON BASED ON A WARRIOR...uhh duh people. We all know WW is more than a simple brute, her job is of compassion also but I do not agree with gaying her up, its typical nowadays and boring.

 

 

 

ok, I think I can co-sign most of what your saying (not all) but most of it.

Um...actually the whole "simpler time" thing doesn't hold water with early WW. Her creator William Moulton Marston was a bit of a...well freak. He created the lie detector with his assistant who lived with him and his wife in a three way relationship. This is from Marston himself on his wiki article:

 

Marston's Wonder Woman is often cited as an early example of bondage themes entering popular culture: physical submission appears again and again throughout Marston's comics work, with Wonder Woman and her criminal opponents frequently being tied up or otherwise restrained, and her Amazonian friends engaging in frequent wrestling and bondage play (possibly based on Marston's earlier research studies on sorority initiations). These elements were softened by later writers of the series. Though Marston had described female nature as submissive, in his other writings and interviews he referred to submission to women as a noble and potentially world-saving practice, leading ideally to the establishment of a matriarchy, and did not shy away from the sexual implications of this:

 

"The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound ... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. ... Giving to others, being controlled by them, submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element".[7]

 

About male readers, he later wrote: "Give them an alluring woman stronger than themselves to submit to, and they'll be proud to become her willing slaves!"[8]

 

And that was from the original creator, not so much simpler huh?

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HONEY HUSH!!! CHOW SHUT YO MOUTH!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh stop the presses, William was nothing short of an out & out FREAK!

 

Tie me up tie me down? hurt me, slap me, BEAT ME BEAT ME BEAT!!!!! LMAO

 

Well ok then. thank you for that very inlightening pice of reading. Now if you'll all excuse me I need to see if I have enough black nylon cord to braid together for a wip.

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I have seen it and don't know why people are saying there is gay overtones in this cartoon. The movie has a lot of adult jokes, but they are more about the stuff that Steve says when he is tied up with the laso

 

Also, a lot of adult jokes are about hetero sex and not about girl on girl action. I was lookin fowards the lesbian jokes since I am a dude and all, but I couldn't find any.

 

Spoiler

Wonder Woman ends up with Steve

 

 

With that said, Wonder Woman isn't gay in this movie.

COMPLETELY AGREE. There were no gay undertones, overtones, or anything. I think some people are just reading too much into it.

 

By the way, LOVED the movie. Best DC animated feature they've done. Lots of action, excellent story, and some awesome little adult jokes. Not to mention Nathan Fillion is great no matter what hes in, and Keri Russell did a damn good job too.

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You say some people read to much into it but i say your not reading enough into it. In your life time how many times have you seen 8 or 9 chicks just swiming naked in a pond or 2 of the showering together giggleing behind a waterfall.

 

Also some of the diolog was suggestive to me. Like when the one chick releves diana to go fight she seems almost bummed that diana like the guy. But everyone takes away something different. its still a kick ass dvd cartoon. I'm not sayin it isn't.

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You say some people read to much into it but i say your not reading enough into it. In your life time how many times have you seen 8 or 9 chicks just swiming naked in a pond or 2 of the showering together giggleing behind a waterfall.

 

Also some of the diolog was suggestive to me. Like when the one chick releves diana to go fight she seems almost bummed that diana like the guy. But everyone takes away something different. its still a kick ass dvd cartoon. I'm not sayin it isn't.

 

 

They have it done all the time in japanese anime where there is gender specific hot springs. Furthermore, the amazonians or greeks in general are not shy in running around naked.

 

In ancient Greece, the Olympics would only consist of men with no clothes on.

 

In ancient times, bathing suits weren't invented and since the Greeks back then does not have the taboo of being naked in public, there is no point in covering it up or takin a bath alone. We americans may find it bizarre, but in other cultures, it is not strange

 

It is like in other parts of the world, people of the same sex would walk around with their hands gripped on each other. We would see that as gay but they wouldn't.

 

Just think about it this like this. Would you or anyone see a group of men or women at the beach together gay if they are wearin their bathing suits?

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You say some people read to much into it but i say your not reading enough into it. In your life time how many times have you seen 8 or 9 chicks just swiming naked in a pond or 2 of the showering together giggleing behind a waterfall.

 

Also some of the diolog was suggestive to me. Like when the one chick releves diana to go fight she seems almost bummed that diana like the guy. But everyone takes away something different. its still a kick ass dvd cartoon. I'm not sayin it isn't.

 

 

They have it done all the time in japanese anime where there is gender specific hot springs. Furthermore, the amazonians or greeks in general are not shy in running around naked.

 

In ancient Greece, the Olympics would only consist of men with no clothes on.

 

In ancient times, bathing suits weren't invented and since the Greeks back then does not have the taboo of being naked in public, there is no point in covering it up or takin a bath alone. We americans may find it bizarre, but in other cultures, it is not strange

 

It is like in other parts of the world, people of the same sex would walk around with their hands gripped on each other. We would see that as gay but they wouldn't.

 

Just think about it this like this. Would you or anyone see a group of men or women at the beach together gay if they are wearin their bathing suits?

 

I understand where you are comeing from but this cartoon isn't real and could plant seeds later on down the road for lil girls. but in reality greek gods wern't real either. again i see your side and or argument and its valid if this were real but its not.

 

And as far as japan anime they are overtly girl on girl or has alot of sexyness to it that they the japanise seem to love. just look all over you tube or even other toons they put out they don't hide it in other words. I never said it was just full of gay stuff all i said was there was some under tones of it.

 

But as a whole i loved the WW movie i thought it was cleaver and intertaning but just from a outsider stand some one with no kids i just couldn't see kids watching it but i also brought up the violance too its rare to see blood or a person get a sword run through them in a kids cartoon.

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But as a whole i loved the WW movie i thought it was cleaver and intertaning but just from a outsider stand some one with no kids i just couldn't see kids watching it but i also brought up the violance too its rare to see blood or a person get a sword run through them in a kids cartoon.

 

Then y'might wanna keep the kiddies away from Hulk Vs Wolverine.......

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why do I keep coming back to this thread reading spoiler after spoiler! & why is the shortest month taking so freaking long to get the hell behind us! the 3rd is taking FOREVER getting here.

 

I can't stay away from this damn thread..........its like WW is a drug............so I guess that makes this movie my "wonder drug" LOL get it! wonder drug...........LMAO............eh, every ones a critic.

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Um...actually the whole "simpler time" thing doesn't hold water with early WW. Her creator William Moulton Marston was a bit of a...well freak. He created the lie detector with his assistant who lived with him and his wife in a three way relationship. This is from Marston himself on his wiki article:

 

Marston's Wonder Woman is often cited as an early example of bondage themes entering popular culture: physical submission appears again and again throughout Marston's comics work, with Wonder Woman and her criminal opponents frequently being tied up or otherwise restrained, and her Amazonian friends engaging in frequent wrestling and bondage play (possibly based on Marston's earlier research studies on sorority initiations). These elements were softened by later writers of the series. Though Marston had described female nature as submissive, in his other writings and interviews he referred to submission to women as a noble and potentially world-saving practice, leading ideally to the establishment of a matriarchy, and did not shy away from the sexual implications of this:

 

"The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound ... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. ... Giving to others, being controlled by them, submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element".[7]

 

About male readers, he later wrote: "Give them an alluring woman stronger than themselves to submit to, and they'll be proud to become her willing slaves!"[8]

 

And that was from the original creator, not so much simpler huh?

Thank you for the information but I already know it. Again it doesn't mean anything to what this character has been for X amount of years. Ok so the creator was a known freak, (read it already) can you imagine how many other creators have some odd twist to them, it still doesn't mean anything to what the characters mean, whether they created them or not.

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But as a whole i loved the WW movie i thought it was cleaver and intertaning but just from a outsider stand some one with no kids i just couldn't see kids watching it but i also brought up the violance too its rare to see blood or a person get a sword run through them in a kids cartoon.

 

Then y'might wanna keep the kiddies away from Hulk Vs Wolverine.......

 

I have seen it yes ther was some blood/goo/spit/slober but no one really like died that i remember you know they just took a beating. don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with it just not the cartoons alot of us or i grew up with.

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Hay people Queen here with my lil review of WONDER WOMAN! (i love saying that). The thread kinda has spoilers in it already but just for the heck of it consider this an OFFICIAL WARNING OF SPOILERS!!!!!!

 

Ok. So the opening was great. I loved that anchent music they had playing in the back ground, it was very simmilar to the muisc The Cat Woman movie had. How ever I would have like WW's name to have been in bolder font. & what the hell was up with that tiny tm (trade mark) simbol next to her name? For me it kinda takes away from the "setting" that's being establised. Next is the opening battel scene. very graphic for american animation. swords & axes & god only knows what else are used to impale, slash , disembowel, eviserate, decapitate, & just plain slaughter on an oprotic scale!

 

Next the gods intervention to save Ares life from Hipolitals wrath. The dialog was a lil.............."out of era" for my taste. I don't know if they were going for that "contemporary feel to the script", but if that's the case then they should have held closer to Greek dialect & let Steve bring the contemporay angle later on. Next is the creation of Diana from clay. I know I shouldn't feel this way but when ever they do the whole holding the baby up to the Heavons for blessing bit, either 1 or 2 movies jump to the front of your mind. Any one care to guess what they are? come on you know what I'm talkin about, you just don't wanna admit it lol.

 

Yes! The Lion King, or Roots. But, it was still cool. Ok let's talk Wonder Hair! I think Diana's hair was a lil too long & a lil too top heavy with thoes................i guess u'd call it bangs? But over all she was very beautiful & quite lovely. Next Themysara........ABSOLUTLY BEAUTIFUL!!!! The truly was an island of Paridise! At this point I was not only smittened with Diana but also Artemis! Matter of fact Artemis was looking to hot & good I was ready to start buying her very own comic, that is if she had her very own comic. BRB Ijust got to work.

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Um...actually the whole "simpler time" thing doesn't hold water with early WW. Her creator William Moulton Marston was a bit of a...well freak. He created the lie detector with his assistant who lived with him and his wife in a three way relationship. This is from Marston himself on his wiki article:

 

Marston's Wonder Woman is often cited as an early example of bondage themes entering popular culture: physical submission appears again and again throughout Marston's comics work, with Wonder Woman and her criminal opponents frequently being tied up or otherwise restrained, and her Amazonian friends engaging in frequent wrestling and bondage play (possibly based on Marston's earlier research studies on sorority initiations). These elements were softened by later writers of the series. Though Marston had described female nature as submissive, in his other writings and interviews he referred to submission to women as a noble and potentially world-saving practice, leading ideally to the establishment of a matriarchy, and did not shy away from the sexual implications of this:

 

"The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound ... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. ... Giving to others, being controlled by them, submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element".[7]

 

About male readers, he later wrote: "Give them an alluring woman stronger than themselves to submit to, and they'll be proud to become her willing slaves!"[8]

 

And that was from the original creator, not so much simpler huh?

 

Thank you for the information but I already know it. Again it doesn't mean anything to what this character has been for X amount of years. Ok so the creator was a known freak, (read it already) can you imagine how many other creators have some odd twist to them, it still doesn't mean anything to what the characters mean, whether they created them or not.

 

Yes Wonder Woman has been around for quite a long time but its just one of those things that is tucked into her history. Just b/c more than 1 writer has written for her over the years doesn't make that aspect of her history any less true. I mean look at it like this, Spidey has hung out with the first cast of SNL and now Obama but does that make him a fan of Chevy Chase and a democrat? Not really (its possible he is both but never stated for sure) but it does get put into his history as an aspect of the character. Just like Diana living on an island with nothing but women and her creator using sexual overtones. Things change and soften for the character over time based on era and writer but its still part of the history of the said character, and can be pulled out and used based on who is writing for the character.

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Um...actually the whole "simpler time" thing doesn't hold water with early WW. Her creator William Moulton Marston was a bit of a...well freak. He created the lie detector with his assistant who lived with him and his wife in a three way relationship. This is from Marston himself on his wiki article:

 

Marston's Wonder Woman is often cited as an early example of bondage themes entering popular culture: physical submission appears again and again throughout Marston's comics work, with Wonder Woman and her criminal opponents frequently being tied up or otherwise restrained, and her Amazonian friends engaging in frequent wrestling and bondage play (possibly based on Marston's earlier research studies on sorority initiations). These elements were softened by later writers of the series. Though Marston had described female nature as submissive, in his other writings and interviews he referred to submission to women as a noble and potentially world-saving practice, leading ideally to the establishment of a matriarchy, and did not shy away from the sexual implications of this:

 

"The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound ... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. ... Giving to others, being controlled by them, submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element".[7]

 

About male readers, he later wrote: "Give them an alluring woman stronger than themselves to submit to, and they'll be proud to become her willing slaves!"[8]

 

And that was from the original creator, not so much simpler huh?

 

Thank you for the information but I already know it. Again it doesn't mean anything to what this character has been for X amount of years. Ok so the creator was a known freak, (read it already) can you imagine how many other creators have some odd twist to them, it still doesn't mean anything to what the characters mean, whether they created them or not.

 

Yes Wonder Woman has been around for quite a long time but its just one of those things that is tucked into her history. Just b/c more than 1 writer has written for her over the years doesn't make that aspect of her history any less true. I mean look at it like this, Spidey has hung out with the first cast of SNL and now Obama but does that make him a fan of Chevy Chase and a democrat? Not really (its possible he is both but never stated for sure) but it does get put into his history as an aspect of the character. Just like Diana living on an island with nothing but women and her creator using sexual overtones. Things change and soften for the character over time based on era and writer but its still part of the history of the said character, and can be pulled out and used based on who is writing for the character.

 

Agreed. It is similar to Uncle Sam, the iconic representation of the US and not the DC character, who has been seen as a bigot or compassionate depending on who is drawin him. Like a lot of comic characters, they act differently accordin to the person who is penning their stories. Superman's origin is imo, a great example of what Dhoonib is saying. In the original superman books, he was sent to Krypton as an infant and fought villains while he was a teen. However, all these was omitted after crisis on infinite earth.

 

It was only brought back a few years ago with new earth. Even though some odd twist have has happened in the old comics, doesn't mean it will not come back as someone may rewrite wonder woman as a bondage queen.

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to I totaly forgot I was in the middle of a review, oops. Any way where was I, oh right. Know what, i'm just gonna break it down and lay it out on the table. They substitued supierority for brutality plan and simple. I dont think I realy care for that notion. Its quite obvious to me that they reached for the "gore (and believe me i love my gore) but it was obvious these Amazons were made to be so brutal just for the sake of getting across how powerful they are.

 

Speaking of power and might. I know they did'n t want Steve to be too much of a wuss, but that lil hand to hand combat segment he has with Diana.......well that is a load of crap! There is no way in hell any mortal man or woman could stand toe too toe and go blow for blow (even though it was very short and Diana was the clear winner), but all Amazons are far stronger than any man, especialy when they are on the island (its only when they are off of it that they beguin to loose their streanth and long gevity). The games to determine who will be the Emissary were very cool and just right. Now i understand why the writer may have felt it better to use arrow instead of bullets, but frankly the excuse they gave in the extra section was........weak. If the Emissary is being given armor, you ask your self WHY. the answer is simple, to defend your self against he out side world. And what kind of weapons do te outside world use??? BULLETS!!! Now you dont have to "sacrifise" Steve being the 1st man on the island in order to get these man made weapons. Its logical and reason able to conclude that several hundered air craft have been shot down over the decades.

 

All that was needed to make the "Bullets and Bracelets" part of the compititon workable was a quick scene of Amazon barges hauling Steve's down jet and that of the other pilots out of the ocean. From the air craft several weapons are obtained. It take the Amozons no time to master the simple weapons (i mean after all it is nothing more than pointing and shooting). Ok moving on to the lasso. I did'nt like the fact that they used such flat paint to color it. It should have been more of a magical gold than that flat boring yellow they used. Also the whole lasso should have illuminated when a person was being interrogated, not just the hoop section.

 

Ok what else. i think I alread said her hair was too long and poofy on top IMO. Ok now on to the "power of the armor" its self, or should I say the lack there of. As I already said the Amazons have great streanth and power, but only on the island! And the winner of the armor streanth is then elevated to that of Superman on or off the island. When Diana put on her armor you never real got the feeling that she was being givin great power, or that her power was increasing in any manner. Its like she and who ever else just busted their asses fighting for this "armor" was fighting for nothing but a new multi color one pice bathing suit!! I know the WW mythos goes through a lot of incarnations like any other superhero comic, but Superman is ALWAYS PUT ON HIS ASS BY KRYPTONIGHT!!!

 

The comic world for a long time now has gotten away from WW power coming from the Magic Girdle or the Girdle of Gaea. With out this important pice of armor (the center pice matter of fact), WW is not much stronger than an ordinary woman. I know I know, you all think im nit picking this thing too death right? No, i am not. I do like the movie and throughly enjoyed watching it. I simply mean to make my voice heard to the "powers that be" (who said that they read the message boards) and hold my beloved WW to the hightest of standards. Like God him self says...........he chacens thoes who he loves.

 

Ok, I think I wrap this up with the final scene in the film. After all this talk of "Idont need a man" we find our heroin liveing with a man and involved in a semi committed relationship just that fast!! i think the love interest is ok and fine, I just don't see the need to have them practicly in the sack this fast.

 

And finaly the spin............or should I say the lack there of. I know I know, many of you are not fans of the spin. I how ever feel that its become hard wired in to the mythos to simply abandon it. Now i will say this. I think ANY Superhero transformation is corny as hell when it becomes this WWWWAAAAAYYYYYYYYY over the top thing that takes a whooping 30 seconds like a lot of anime stuff does. Like when they go from regular to super saiyan lever 4 with full moons and tails and full ape golden monky rage (or so im told by my room mate because i dont watch that crap), with all that flashing and crap going on in the back gound (they did that stuff in TF Energon and Armada too.........yet another reason why that toon failed miserably).

 

But I think a real quick couple of turns minial star burst and off she goes. I give this film a 3 and 3 quarters star on my 5 star scale (only 3 or 4 film ever realy get a 5th star out of me), so its safe to say this film did quite well. I hope GL is even more spactacular and more too the point, I hope that if and when WW comes out with an animated series she is even more incrediable and spactacular that she is now.

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Not one copy sold..............not one single copy of WW's dvd sold today yall. Now I should point out that our area got hit with a b*tch of a snow storm & sales at my target were generaly low all together, but still I thought folks would have snatched up something that would entertaine them & there kids on a bitter day like today. So what went wrong???

 

Are people put off by the heavy violance with no "Agent Diana Prince" to give the brutlity of the Amozons "balance" so to speak. I starting to think the WW that was presented to us was some how "incomplete" or lacked that softer side that many of the creators were so scared would doom the movie as a chick flick.

 

Even Sears found its "softer side", Wonder Woman should too. oh yeah & was it just me or did she WWWAAAAYYYYY over use her tiara crown as a boomerang. I mean for a moment I thought I was watching Batman.

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OMG I CANT BELIEVE WHAT JUST CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH! So I'm at work right, this older lady was eyeing the kids dvds & talking with here daughter on the phone. The woman was trying to pick out a new movie for her grand daughter. As she held both copyies in her hand I though I was gonna end up giveing a real quick tutorial on basic vs deluxe edt. dvds.

 

Well! after the woman hung up her cell, she look in my direction (targets real big on customer service) so I said who's the dvd for? She replyed my 5 year old grand daughter. & just like that I told the woman No! don't buy this for a 5 year old. What ya know I guess I do have a heart after all. I was realing hopeing they would sell but so far only one copy sold. & in all good faith I just couldn't let a 5 year old (who according to the grand mother, favorite toons todate are Scooby doo).

 

I informed the woman that mass murder takes place in this movie including decapitations, cult style sacrafical killing, disembowelment, & generaly a lot of people getting their necks snapped & hacked to death with axes & swords...............................HONEY, you should have seen the look on her face! She was alread white as heck to start with, but after telling her all that goes on in the WW movie she was stuned in to silance!

 

After regaing her composer & abilty to speak, thanked me & agreed that this would not be good for her 5year old grand daughter. Looks like Queen is right again, I love WW & I love gore, but DC failed to strike the right balance. I hope they learn well from there lesson there about to learn.

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