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As for Cobra-La, well Nemesis Enforcer was a little weak. Ironically, THIS version has the same flaw the original had. The wings and tentacles don't stay on very well.

Really? I hadn't heard of that issue. I actually had to force the wings onto mine, and I never tried the tentacles on him.

 

With the original, the wings and tentacles were too rubbery to stay in the back hole well. With the knew version, the tentacles (on mine) didn't stay snuggly in the back hole.

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As for Cobra-La, well Nemesis Enforcer was a little weak. Ironically, THIS version has the same flaw the original had. The wings and tentacles don't stay on very well.

Really? I hadn't heard of that issue. I actually had to force the wings onto mine, and I never tried the tentacles on him.

 

With the original, the wings and tentacles were too rubbery to stay in the back hole well. With the knew version, the tentacles (on mine) didn't stay snuggly in the back hole.

 

Sounds like you had a bad one, anyways all you need to do to fix it is add a very small coat (very small) of super glue to the peg that attaches to the back of Nemmie, let it dry and it will be very snug. Hope that helps.

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Why not a troop builder set with Golobulus and a few Cobra-La soldiers?

Once again, because a set full of the most controversial characters in the entire property is not likely to go over well. From the sounds of things, you'd buy it, I'd buy it, maybe a certain percentage of fans... but the majority of them would be too busy screaming in anger to buy it.

 

It's just a plain old given that Hasbro would have to at least equal the amount of Cobra-La figures with figures that were strongly-desired.

 

 

Yeah pretty much. I'd buy it if it came out. If it never gets made I won't cry about it though.......

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Many say Cobra-La was what killed GI Joe

Well, it doesn't help that it was the last 'chapter' of the Sunbow stuff, that it contradicts to a great degree the things that came before it, that Lt. Falcon (supposedly the main protagonist) is quite possibly the worst-developed character in the movie, and that the toyline took a decidedly sci-fi bent afterward, much more than it had previously.

 

I mean, I actually like most of the stuff that came after the movie, and even the movie itself... but I fully understand why there's a lot of people out there who hold everything bad that happened to ARAH against the movie. I can't say they don't have a point, either- some of the controversial/questionable ideas that came later probably were influenced by the movie.

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As for Cobra-La, well Nemesis Enforcer was a little weak. Ironically, THIS version has the same flaw the original had. The wings and tentacles don't stay on very well.

Really? I hadn't heard of that issue. I actually had to force the wings onto mine, and I never tried the tentacles on him.

 

With the original, the wings and tentacles were too rubbery to stay in the back hole well. With the knew version, the tentacles (on mine) didn't stay snuggly in the back hole.

 

Sounds like you had a bad one, anyways all you need to do to fix it is add a very small coat (very small) of super glue to the peg that attaches to the back of Nemmie, let it dry and it will be very snug. Hope that helps.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm usually leary of doing things to the figures, lest I break or damage something. I was actually thinking about getting another pack (if I can find them on clearance) since I like Falcon's gear.

 

I never saw the point of Nemesis Enforcer having both anyway. He never "used" the tentacles in the movie AND the comic with this pack has the tentacles as "part" of the wings anyway.

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Many say Cobra-La was what killed GI Joe

Well, it doesn't help that it was the last 'chapter' of the Sunbow stuff, that it contradicts to a great degree the things that came before it, that Lt. Falcon (supposedly the main protagonist) is quite possibly the worst-developed character in the movie, and that the toyline took a decidedly sci-fi bent afterward, much more than it had previously.

 

I mean, I actually like most of the stuff that came after the movie, and even the movie itself... but I fully understand why there's a lot of people out there who hold everything bad that happened to ARAH against the movie. I can't say they don't have a point, either- some of the controversial/questionable ideas that came later probably were influenced by the movie.

 

Cobra-La was NOT what killed Joe. The movie and toys came out in 1986/87. G.I. Joe lasted until 1994. 8 years of toys after is not a killing stroke.

 

Not to mention a lot of good figures came after. Hit & Run, Deep Six, The Iron Grenadiers, Night-Viper, Alley Viper, Shockwave. Among others. And vehicles included the Dessert Fox, Bugg, Warthog, F.A.N.G. II, H.I.S.S. II, and Sharc 9000. Again, among others.

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I mean does anyone consider "screaming Duke" to be the definitive version?

 

Umm yes I do. It's not that hard to switch the heads. @smilepunch@

 

Still isn't definitive. Unless he's got the proper chest strap, and not the Jetpack harness, he's still a cariant on the classic Duke. Even with the proper gear, he'd still fail my qualifications for being in awful Sunbow colors, and not having his proper gear in matching colors.

 

When Hasbro releases the Tiger Force Duke in his classic 1983 colors... that's when I'll have my definitive Duke.

 

 

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As for the Movie killing off the line. Yes and Not So, both at once. GIJoe's popularity peaked in 1986... most fans read this as 1986 being the pinnacle of GIJoe's popularity. But the thing is, momentum carried it from the amazing 1985 line to the strange and sci-fi-ish 1986 line. The cartoon was popular, most likely in spite of itself. The second season is pretty bad, with Sgt. Slaughter and Serpentor (the hieght of sci-fi foolishness in the Joe line at that point) leading the factions.

 

When the Movie was being advertised on TV in 1987, I remember thinking it'd been a long time since I'd even watched GIJoe. I was psyched for it, but there was a sense that it was making a comeback instead of the Movie breaking out of the TV show, the way Transformers did. Then when nothing followed up the movie, for my and my friends, that was the end. We stopped caring that it was gone, and moved on to hockey and girls.

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I mean does anyone consider "screaming Duke" to be the definitive version?

 

Umm yes I do. It's not that hard to switch the heads. @smilepunch@

 

Still isn't definitive. Unless he's got the proper chest strap, and not the Jetpack harness, he's still a cariant on the classic Duke. Even with the proper gear, he'd still fail my qualifications for being in awful Sunbow colors, and not having his proper gear in matching colors.

 

When Hasbro releases the Tiger Force Duke in his classic 1983 colors... that's when I'll have my definitive Duke.

 

That was the basic idea of what I said. That last version got the right arms, but the wrong colors.

 

 

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As for the Movie killing off the line. Yes and Not So, both at once. GIJoe's popularity peaked in 1986... most fans read this as 1986 being the pinnacle of GIJoe's popularity. But the thing is, momentum carried it from the amazing 1985 line to the strange and sci-fi-ish 1986 line. The cartoon was popular, most likely in spite of itself. The second season is pretty bad, with Sgt. Slaughter and Serpentor (the hieght of sci-fi foolishness in the Joe line at that point) leading the factions.

 

When the Movie was being advertised on TV in 1987, I remember thinking it'd been a long time since I'd even watched GIJoe. I was psyched for it, but there was a sense that it was making a comeback instead of the Movie breaking out of the TV show, the way Transformers did. Then when nothing followed up the movie, for my and my friends, that was the end. We stopped caring that it was gone, and moved on to hockey and girls.

 

That's a good point. Also the fact that line was aimed at 8 to 10 year olds, for the most part, so by 86, a lot of the first fans were moving on to teenage things.

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I'm sure Hasbro has a DVD pack in mind for after the new movie.

I sure didn't like Cobra-La either. I wouldn't mind them though as I've retconned them with my own background story.

Even more annoying to me is that some of the non-fans seem to think the Cobra battle cry goes "Cobralalalala" @grumpy@

I know. I squirmed every time Attack of the Show had Cobra Commander go "LALALALALALALALALA!!!

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There is a subtle distinction in the supernatural/fantasy story elements between pre- and post-movie GI Joe. Prior to the movie, there were things like ninja magic, Excalibur, the ghosts in the phantom brigade, the synthoids, Destro's ancestors, and the genetic engineering of Serpentor. But if the viewer is willing to suspend their disbelief about the other general stuff (laserbeam guns, nobody dying) then one can at least accept that such a team of military specialists using the "real world" technology of their universe might plausibly exist to fight a similarly equipped and armed terrorist organization of the same world. One could carry this core premise into say, a live-action movie aimed at adults, shedding those more fantastic elements, and still maintain the core essence of story and setting.

 

But the continuity loses that fundamental essence when the lead villain is explained to originate from an ancient Lovecraftian civilization of monstrous humanoids. I do think a lot of it started at least in the second season with the forced introduction of characters like Serpentor and Sgt. Slaughter, but there were also popular elements like the BATS that were a little more plausible.

 

Of course, I'm in the camp that believes the shifts in GI Joe's popularity, along with those in other properties, were driven more by the inherent handling of the property itself than by external factors such aging of the demographic or competition from other entertainment industries.

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I never saw the point of Nemesis Enforcer having both anyway. He never "used" the tentacles in the movie AND the comic with this pack has the tentacles as "part" of the wings anyway.

That was actually addressed in a thread not to long ago... I looked through the various guide books and no one else seems to conclusively know either. The most likely explanation for it was that it's meant to one of the Cobra-La 'weapons'-- you're meant to stick it on another figure's back and pretend they're getting restrained by the tentacles. Similar stuff was used in the movie, so it kinda works. I question why the tentacles weren't bendy to make that really work... but if Golobulus is any indication, that wouldn't have turned out too well anyway. The stiffer tentacles on the new one (and lack of peg holes on some figures) make it even less workable, but it's a neat throwback to the original figure.

 

Many say Cobra-La was what killed GI Joe

Well, it doesn't help that it was the last 'chapter' of the Sunbow stuff, that it contradicts to a great degree the things that came before it, that Lt. Falcon (supposedly the main protagonist) is quite possibly the worst-developed character in the movie, and that the toyline took a decidedly sci-fi bent afterward, much more than it had previously.

 

I mean, I actually like most of the stuff that came after the movie, and even the movie itself... but I fully understand why there's a lot of people out there who hold everything bad that happened to ARAH against the movie. I can't say they don't have a point, either- some of the controversial/questionable ideas that came later probably were influenced by the movie.

 

Cobra-La was NOT what killed Joe. The movie and toys came out in 1986/87. G.I. Joe lasted until 1994. 8 years of toys after is not a killing stroke.

 

Not to mention a lot of good figures came after. Hit & Run, Deep Six, The Iron Grenadiers, Night-Viper, Alley Viper, Shockwave. Among others. And vehicles included the Dessert Fox, Bugg, Warthog, F.A.N.G. II, H.I.S.S. II, and Sharc 9000. Again, among others.

The line continued after the movie, yes. No one is debating the existence, and that there are good things in those following years. The point of debate is HOW MUCH.

 

Many people see the movie as the point when the line began to shift away from what they hold to be the 'core' of GI Joe, when the property began to become less about the military and more about science fiction... not to mention the undeniable insertion of controversial colors and action features into many of the figures and vehicles.

 

Even most die-hard fans find a few 'tolerable' figures and vehicles after '87, but to a lot of people, the movie marked the end of 'the glory days' of GI Joe. It's no coincidence that the 25th Anni line is almost entirely 1982-1987. By sticking to that, Hasbro targets the largest number of fans.

 

Personally, I think this 'death' rests more in the end of Sunbow in general than anything else- a quality cartoon promoting the new gimmicks, figures, and vehicles probably would have gone a long way to making the things that came after 'acceptable'. People just didn't have the same attachment to a lot of the later characters that they had with the guys in Sunbow.

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