Whynot the origional war?

[Wheeljack35]

I'm sorry to rant but I have had it with the Clone Wars

 

Not the toyline or even the movie but with Lucas thinking he has to shove this down our throats

 

Whynot the Rebel Alliance vs the Empire

 

We all grew up with that

 

Thats all we knew until 1999 when the Phantom Menace came out.

 

A number of us aren't fans of the new trilogy and miss the origional

 

Lucas could of done a story about the rise of the Rebellion years before Luke joined

 

New Heroes the struggle of the Alliance without Jedi

 

I watch the Clone Wars cartoon from 95 knowing Anakin will be Darth Vader and he isn't heroic to me.We also know what will happen and how the clones will turn out to be the Imperial Stormtroopers

 

If not the Rebellion vs the Empire how about the stories that took place aftter the Empire fell when the Empires remnants in a way became the new rebellion against the New Republic?

 

A CGI movie that is of Shadows of the Empire would of been cool the could of rereleased the toys from that in new molds and bring back the Outrider

 

I'm to damned Clone wars out

 

The Clone Wars lasted 3 years the Rebellion vs the Empire last a whole lot longer making it the one that had more stories to tell

 

Sorry to you that love Clone Wars

 

I don't hate Star Wars but the Clone Wars must be out on the back burner its overkill like Star Trek was when they premiered Enterprise.

[Jaxxon327]

Dude,

 

I feel you but people don't want to hear about the war torn struggle between the Rebel Alliance and the Empire. People are entrigued by the clones and Tons of Jedi. There are very very few Jedi in the time between III and IV and at the end of VI Luke becomes not the Last but the First of new Jedi.

dont get me wrong, I would LOVE to see a Rogue squadron Cartoon Series. That would be Sweet. I would not mind seeing a rebuilding the New Republic and taken out the Remanant Empire.

 

I do agree there are Alot of clones and eventually the story has to end. It only lasted three years. Unless they move forward to afterwards.. Now that would be something to see order 66 carried out at the end of the series. Hmmm...

[Wheeljack35]

Wait

 

Who doesn't want to hear about the civil war?

 

People heard about it for years leading up to episode 1

 

I bet if Lucas did do a series or movie about the rebelion it would sell

 

Hell the origional trilogy was about that war

[Barrock]

I wouldn't say I'm positive of this but I have a large hunch. The reason their doing the Clone Wars is kids are familiar with the new movies, not the older ones. Lucas is making so much money from the merchandise for Clone Wars it's just insane. I went to Walmart tonight and 4 kids were arguing about what lightsaber they were going to get. They each walked out with their own.

[DarthJoe]

Ya, I think it would've been more interesting if they would've done something in between the time of Episode III and IV. It would help bridge the gap between the old and new trilogies.

 

Shadows of the Empire would be cool too.

[Bespin refugee]

Ya, I think it would've been more interesting if they would've done something in between the time of Episode III and IV. It would help bridge the gap between the old and new trilogies.

Actually, that is the basis for the live-action series in development; although, I haven't heard much about it in a while. Last I heard it was planned for 2010/11?

[hamsterboy]

Got to agree with you. The one they ran on Cartoon Network before ROTS was more than enough for me. Sure we have the live action tv series(whenever it comes) but you mean to tell me that's going to cover all 18 years between ROTS and ANH? Or why can't they cover the gap between ANH and Empire? You have to wonder what Anakin's reaction would be to know it was his kid that blew up the Death Star. Yeah,I know that was more than likely covered in a comic. Sorry,don't read them.

[darthhenning]

Ya, I think it would've been more interesting if they would've done something in between the time of Episode III and IV. It would help bridge the gap between the old and new trilogies.

Actually, that is the basis for the live-action series in development; although, I haven't heard much about it in a while. Last I heard it was planned for 2010/11?

 

Lucas Flim Limited is being deliberately vague about what they're doing. All we know for sure is that it is filming around now or soon. Anthony Daniels leaked that he appeared in one episode from season one, but he was quickly legaly gaged from saying anything more. So we know its in production, but thats about it. It is currently expected in Fall 2010, and LFL is currently limiting what writers of books and comics can do within that gap in order to prevent conflicts between these products and the upcomming show.

 

Got to agree with you. The one they ran on Cartoon Network before ROTS was more than enough for me. Sure we have the live action tv series(whenever it comes) but you mean to tell me that's going to cover all 18 years between ROTS and ANH? Or why can't they cover the gap between ANH and Empire? You have to wonder what Anakin's reaction would be to know it was his kid that blew up the Death Star. Yeah,I know that was more than likely covered in a comic. Sorry,don't read them.

 

Yep, that was covered in the comic series Vaders Quest. What's interesting to note is that between EP II and III there is a comparable amount of material to between EP IV and V, and yet there is no plan to expand the events between IV and V because the main characters are already 'overly busy'. However, I can understand that because almost all of those works include the big 3 (Luke, Han, Leia). Between II and III, there are several novels, a series of young teen books and the Clone Wars Comics. However, many of these books deal with characters other than Obi-wan and Anakin (Shatterpoint, MedStar I and II, and much of the Clone Wars comics), so a compression of themir events in the timeline is more possible and plausable. Therefore a series about the clone wars is easier.

 

Also we have to remember in-universe logistics. The clone wars were a galactic conflict in every nature, with huge armies of Clone and Droids clashing on many fronteirs simultaneously. By contrast the Rebellion was a small group of dedicated visionaries who lacked the resources to fight on multiple fronts simultaneously. Therefore there are more possible stories to tell about the Clone Wars that we haven't already seen, whereas, new stories between OT movies are much more limited in scope.

 

Also from a sales viewpoint, as someone above has mentioned, younger audiences are more familar with the clone wars than the Rebellion, and the toys and TV show are deliberately marketed to a younger audience, despite what older fans may prefer (it helps develop a NEW generation of fans).

 

 

 

 

 

@can@

[Wheeljack35]

Then adults who are fans of the origional trilogy ahow your kids the Battle of Hoth the two Battles over the Death Stars

[GPM in ICT]

I think a big part of it is that Lucas wants the audience to feel more sympathy for Anakin and his eventual downfall. The overall feel of the trilogy works better if you truly embrace Anakin as someone who had the best intentions and let those intentions lead himto an altogether different place. A lot of the older fans (and this is my own opinion) just don't have that sympathy for Anankin and that's why the pequels just don't work for them (well that and the fact that they have had 20+ years to imagine what the story was and what Lucas presented wasn't that story). So any chance to make Anakin more heroic is a good thing in Lucas' eyes.

[Wheeljack35]

Anakin isn't heroic too me

 

He never was

 

He killed that village of Sandpeople including woman and children

 

Thats a Jedi?

 

I was surprised that how mad he was at them for killing his mom didn't lead him to the darkside just then

 

And after the slaughter of the Jedi and what he did to those younglings?I could never see him as a hero

 

 

These are stories byding there time until he becomes Darth Vader

 

I want Vader Back NOT Anakin

[hamsterboy]

I think a big part of it is that Lucas wants the audience to feel more sympathy for Anakin and his eventual downfall. The overall feel of the trilogy works better if you truly embrace Anakin as someone who had the best intentions and let those intentions lead himto an altogether different place. A lot of the older fans (and this is my own opinion) just don't have that sympathy for Anankin and that's why the pequels just don't work for them (well that and the fact that they have had 20+ years to imagine what the story was and what Lucas presented wasn't that story). So any chance to make Anakin more heroic is a good thing in Lucas' eyes.

 

 

And I thought that part was handled well in the original Clone Wars cartoon. Especially that part with that tribe that called him "Ghost Hand".

[DikTator32]

I too am starting to feel a little "blah" with the clone wars, however I really can't understand why so many people hate the prequels. I found them to be very entertaining. They just didn't give me that negative vibe like the majority of people mainly because I just love the story and all of it's characters. Even though the new animated movie and show will be more "Clone Wars" I'll take it, it's Star Wars after all. I know that I will probably enjoy it. @stormtrooper@

[DikTator32]

I think a big part of it is that Lucas wants the audience to feel more sympathy for Anakin and his eventual downfall. The overall feel of the trilogy works better if you truly embrace Anakin as someone who had the best intentions and let those intentions lead himto an altogether different place. A lot of the older fans (and this is my own opinion) just don't have that sympathy for Anankin and that's why the pequels just don't work for them (well that and the fact that they have had 20+ years to imagine what the story was and what Lucas presented wasn't that story). So any chance to make Anakin more heroic is a good thing in Lucas' eyes.

I thought that Episode III did that. Heck, my girlfriend started crying when Anakin turned. Thats why the majority enjoyed Episode III more than the previous two episodes because of it's emotion. If I have one minor gripe regarding the prequel trilogy it would be that Lucas should have started it during Anakin's teenage years, young adulthood time in my opinion. Maybe Episode I should have been Episode II. It's also quite possible that Lucas may feel that he did screw up ( because so many hate the prequel trilogy ) and feels that he needs to make it work by adding more to the story. It would make sense, just look at what he did with the original trilogy ( the special additions ). Apparently he wasn't completed satisfied with that either. Or, maybe he is just a greedy, money hungry individual bleeding all of our pockets dry. @firedevil@

[joenubb]

From a business perspective Star Wars is a cash cow and I'm sure Lucas will milk it for all it's worth. I'm fine with the Clone Wars film/series coming out for a couple of reasons. It will keep Star Wars(and SW toys) in the public's eye for many years, and if this CG endeavor is lucrative enough we'll hopefully see other CG films/series even based on the OT or beyond.

 

Now from a story telling perspective the Clone Wars is a massive epic that ripped a galaxy in half. It is a pivotal period that sees the shift of power on a huge scale; a galaxy that has gone to war with itself, the scope is huge!

 

While I am not super excited about the film/series coming out, I do anticipate enjoying them. And besides the Clone Wars micro series, we hardly saw any of the actual war. We saw the beginning in AOTC and then we saw the end in ROTS. And I'm hoping too that they really will show us how big this war is!

[ssdsus]

While I am not super excited about the film/series coming out, I do anticipate enjoying them. And besides the Clone Wars micro series, we hardly saw any of the actual war. We saw the beginning in AOTC and then we saw the end in ROTS. And I'm hoping too that they really will show us how big this war is!

 

I'm sorry, but this period should not be the basis for a series. How can you enjoy it knowing that at its core, its bad guy robots versus bad guy soldiers who are led by (suprisingly) easily duped jedi? It's all bad guys! The good guys are just pawns getting played for fools! Why do I care who won or why? It doesn't matter. Palpatine wins, period.

 

Never mind which, telling stories that are AFTER Anakin kills the sand people and showing him as a hero actually damages the credibility of him turning so evil in ROTS. Nothing good comes from this. You can't fix what is already illogical and broken by adding new layers. His unthinkable turn in ROTS (illogical turn, really) continues to be made even more unbelievable by showing him running around as a good guy.

 

Seriously, this is CGI and it is not using the original voice cast. Can't they have done a story after VI with Luke? Seriously, enough with the prequel crap.

[Devilbat]

I'm kinda torn over the extension of the Clone Wars. I mean, I enjoy the whole concept; armies of Clone Troopers being led against hordes of Battle Droids by Jedi. Cool stuff. But I think if they delve into the mythos too much, it will water the concept down. I really enjoyed the first animated Clone Wars series, but I didn't enjoy the second one as much. And I didn't like how the second series led directly into Episode III. By the way, something bothered me about that whole situation. Think about it; Grievous kidnaps Palpatine and makes a atmospheric jump to hyperspace to escape Mace Windu. But then in Episode III Palpatine and Grievous both are on his battleship in orbit just above Coruscant? Wha...?? And Anakin conveniently rebuilds his mechanical arm in-between back-to-back adventures like you change shirts? Bah...

 

But there's something I find interesting about the new CGI movie. Back when my brother and I were speculating about what we would see in Episode III, I thought it would have been neat if the armor the Jedi might wear in the Clone Wars was reminiscent of Vader's armor. So what do we see in this new film? Anakin and Obi-Wan wearing armor...reminiscent of Vader's armor. I just thought that was so cool, although I'm not sure I like the characters changing appearance so many times in three years.

[Lord Amron]

While I am not super excited about the film/series coming out, I do anticipate enjoying them. And besides the Clone Wars micro series, we hardly saw any of the actual war. We saw the beginning in AOTC and then we saw the end in ROTS. And I'm hoping too that they really will show us how big this war is!

 

I'm sorry, but this period should not be the basis for a series. How can you enjoy it knowing that at its core, its bad guy robots versus bad guy soldiers who are led by (suprisingly) easily duped jedi? It's all bad guys! The good guys are just pawns getting played for fools! Why do I care who won or why? It doesn't matter. Palpatine wins, period.

 

Never mind which, telling stories that are AFTER Anakin kills the sand people and showing him as a hero actually damages the credibility of him turning so evil in ROTS. Nothing good comes from this. You can't fix what is already illogical and broken by adding new layers. His unthinkable turn in ROTS (illogical turn, really) continues to be made even more unbelievable by showing him running around as a good guy.

 

Seriously, this is CGI and it is not using the original voice cast. Can't they have done a story after VI with Luke? Seriously, enough with the prequel crap.

Hmmm interesting point. For me I've found the Clone Wars to be MUCH more interesting than the Galactic Rebellion because it kinda mirrors what is going on today (soapbox!!!). Its a little more that bad guy robots vs bad guy soldiers. Yeah it's cheap for us because we know what is gonna happen but for the movie characters is is kinda tragic because the Jedi are caught between a government they know is corrupt and feeling obligated to serve it for the greater good (hmmm sounds familiar) of the population at large. The clones aren't bad just blindly loyal (or trained that way) and in the end side with the one who is in power. I've really started looking at the prequels on a deeper level and it's kinda smooth have one man is able to manipulate the entire galaxy into putting in the spot where he can take over (again the parallels to real life are kinda spooky). From a war he engineered to the generals he slandered it's great drama. With the OT we knew who was good and who was bad. Not so during the Clone Wars. You could almost see the CSI point about the Republic and their desire to seperate. It makes it more tragic and entertaining. As the opening crawl in ROTS said there are heroes on either side (wow more real life connections).

Showing Anakin a hero now makes his fall even more tragic. We've seen since AOTC that Anakin has been tapping in to the dark side and the CW series doen't change that. Anakin was just another victim of Palpatine. He bacame evil not to take over or rule but to save Padme (which backfired of course) and he probably stayed the way he was out of guilt and the knowledge that the very think he feared he caused. It makes his fall that much more "entertaining" storywise to see him as a great hero and great destroyer.

I have to disagree the the OT would be more interesting.....what are they gonna show the weekly Grand Admiral of the episode with some new weapon to crush the New Republic (wait they've already done that in countless books)? The CW is wide open territory that doesn't even need Anakin and Obi-wan. All you need is a Jedi and some clones and you've got a pretty interesting story. I say bring it on!!! I'll take all the Clone Wars they can give me!!

And to us your arguement we know the Rebellion wins so why have stories on that if we already know what's gonna happen??

[Wheeljack35]

And to us your arguement we know the Rebellion wins so why have stories on that if we already know what's gonna happen??

 

 

The same could be said about the Clone Wars

 

We allready know Palpatine is playing both sides against each other and we know right after the Clone War ends its the rise of the Empire

[hamsterboy]

No kidding. I mean we've only seen the seeds of the Rebellion planted(from the deleted scenes in ROTS). We've also seen the end results. But we haven't seen the middle yet. There had to be more than just them getting the tactical plans to the Death Star.

[Lord Amron]

Read the comics (Rebellion, Empire, Splinter of the Minds Eye). It's all in there.....

[Wheeljack35]

No kidding. I mean we've only seen the seeds of the Rebellion planted(from the deleted scenes in ROTS). We've also seen the end results. But we haven't seen the middle yet. There had to be more than just them getting the tactical plans to the Death Star.

 

 

I want to see Han as a stormtrooper getting peed off at the treatment of Chewie then saving him

 

I want to see how Han won the Falcon from Lando

 

I want to see Biggs jumping ship(so to say) and joining the rebellion

 

Above all...

 

I want to see the Rebellion vs the Empire

 

I would also settle for the Grand Admiral Thrawn stories also

[hamsterboy]

Read the comics (Rebellion, Empire, Splinter of the Minds Eye). It's all in there.....

 

 

As I said before,haven't read them. Which is one of the points I tried to make earlier. What about those of us who haven't read the comics or books?

[Lord Amron]

Read the comics (Rebellion, Empire, Splinter of the Minds Eye). It's all in there.....

 

 

As I said before,haven't read them. Which is one of the points I tried to make earlier. What about those of us who haven't read the comics or books?

Well I honestly don't know what to tell you other than the fact that all the things you and other posters are asking for have been covered (brilliantly I might add) in the pages of Empire, and Rebellion. Want to see Bigg and Wes break away from the Empire and smuggle astromech for the Death Star attack?? Read Empire. Luke finding his way as a reluctant hero after blowing up the DS?? Read Rebellion. The Rebellion vs the Empire?? Well Rebellion and Empire have that more than covered so read both. Han freeing Chewie?? Try SW Tales. Same for Han winning the Falcon from Lando. Now I will admit with SW Tales some stories are not in the time line but I feel more than a few fit. Not to be a smart @$$ or anything but if for whatever reason you choose not to read the comics which cover almost EVERY single gripe you have than I don't see why you're complaining when what you're lamenting for is a comic book or TPB away.... @firedevil@.

[DikTator32]

Don't know about anybody else here on this post but I would personally love to see an animated version of " Heir to the Empire " and " Dark Empire ". I love the whole story with Mara Jade ( when she hated Luke and wanted to kill him ) and seeing the clone Emperor would be freakin' sweet. Also, Dark Empire because Luke actually goes over to the dark side to destroy the new clone Emperor from within. That whole story line kicks ass. To anyone here that has not read the novels yet, you are really missing out on a larger part of Star Wars. The times after ROTJ are actually a lot darker and there is more turmoil. @DAD@