Stephen Sommers Back On GIJoe

[Forcehunter]

Destro currently running the organization I can live with considering how in an interview at the debut of Transformers, Hasbro was going to put in Cobra Commander.

 

DPrime, I am taking international politics classes and am a political science major and I 100% agree with DavAnthony. Why? We interpret the data and information differently. International politics means nothing more that studying various politiical theories on how or why something is happening. Being in any of these types of classes you have to be able to interpret events from various lenses (ie Realpolitik, Dependency, Liberalism, Constructivism) and be open minded to each one. I just happent to agree with Dav's analysis. Taking an International Politics course has nothing to do with him having an informed opinion.

[midnight doctor]

GIJoe now based in Brussels??

No longer A Real American Hero???

I remember a time not so long ago that that people weren't ashamed to be American and God could still be said in School.

[jamarmiller]

ya but you been just as insulting as he has been, so you point becomes mute, now if you hadnt been as insulting as he was then you might have some credence to your view of the world

[cobrasaboteur]

This movie is DOOMED. I would rather have no movie at all unless they keep 100% true to RAH cannon. Whenever you screw with an original recipe it NEVER tastes any good.

 

-saboteur

[DPrime]

ya but you been just as insulting as he has been, so you point becomes mute, now if you hadnt been as insulting as he was then you might have some credence to your view of the world

 

The point is not moot, as it doesn't have anything to do with my view of the world, which I haven't even commented on other to say that the war in Iraq was "ridiculous" (in the sense that we're somehow "hiding" behind it, the so-called "real" war). If I've been insulting, it wasn't intended towards a group of people who necessarily support the war or whatever politics are behind it - it's to those who mindlessly repeat the dumbed-down rhetoric spouted off to the masses.

 

So while I may have come off as insulting towards the one person, the term "international bitches" comes off as insulting to pretty much the entire world, which is what I really had a problem with in the first place.

 

So they're going for a more international GI Joe team - that's just the reality of the situation today. In fact, it's nothing new. I mean, what would you expect Hasbro to do? The entire European continent remembers GI Joe as much as we do in North America, and over there it WAS an international team. They're going to be watching the movie too, and they can't tailor the movie to different markets like they did with the old RAH toy lines. The way they end up doing this, that's going to be the key factor. And yeah, it probably will stink... I'm not generally a pessimist, but after seeing the Transformer movie designs (and later, the movie itself), I am when it comes to this sort of thing...

 

This doesn't have anything to do with "the real war" or any other of that nonsense. Sure, there is an anti-American sentiment in much of the world today, but it's doubtful the filmmakers are going to be pandering to the audiences in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. The REAL reason is money - and the fact that GI Joe was an international toyline in the first place (maybe not in '82, but soon afterward).

[punishment-101]

I will wait and see on this, but it is not looking good.

 

However...2 points...

 

Star Wars was a good movie and Darth Vader and Tarkin were in control ON SCREEN until Jedi really. So if Destro is the field commander then I think I can let that one slide. I'm not sure I like that they have given him Major Bludd's personality though. Destro was/has been fairly honorable throughout the Marvel Run of comics at least that is what they tried to portray at several parts. So if Cobra Commander is mentioned then I can probably be ok with it.

 

I'm not thrilled that Joe is abandoning it's heritage as the Real AMERICAN Hero, but I don't mind some international flair...As long as they don't take current AMERICAN Joes/Characters and transplant them with folks from other nations.

 

For example...use Glenda or Quarrel...but don't make Scarlett from France...use the entire Oktober Guard, but don't make Snake Eyes from Outer Mongolia. That kind of change would ruin the movie for ME.

 

I just hope although they are distancing themselves from "War Movie" the joes still get to carry guns and that the X Men reference wasn't a hint that Joes will all now have super powers...

 

 

Agreed 100%, and who knows they may make the RAH cannon the base for this movie but give it the international twist. I don't mind Destro running things as long as We get to see his silver mask at some point and the Commander is behind the scenes like Blofeld in James Bond.

 

I definitely agree that none of the American characters like SE or Scarlett should be changed to foreign nationals either

and I'll be curious to see where the James Bond and X-Men crossover comes in

[DPrime]

I definitely agree that none of the American characters like SE or Scarlett should be changed to foreign nationals either

and I'll be curious to see where the James Bond and X-Men crossover comes in

 

Well, I think the James Bond references the villains, primarily. Not the ones from the new film, but older, more "out there" types, like Blofeld, Jaws, etc... They made those villains work, and hopefully, if treated seriously enough, they can make Destro work, even if he wears a mask. X-Men and other superhero movies (specifically Fantastic Four when you think of the design similarities between Destro and Dr. Doom) fit into this - characters like Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, and Magneto retained their iconic looks and were treated seriously by the filmmakers. That's going to be the key factor when dealing with Cobra characters. Making them boring "contemporary" villains/terrorists is a lazy cop-out.

 

X-Men also references the team aspect of GI Joe. They'll have to centre the story around main characters, but include cameos and background appearances by others (if we're lucky).

[Rollo Tomassi]

Larry Hama wrote the card files. He created these characters. He did something unprecedented and wrote almost every single issue of the 155 issue Marvel Run, not to mention all the annuals, Special Missions, etc. To take his intricately woven background story which is why the brand name became so popular in the first place and throw it out in favor of this INTERNATIONAL CRAP is ludicrous.

 

 

Why does Boniventura not see this? This property came across his desk, because it was iconic enough to produce a decades old fanbase of such immensity, that people who only see money would take notice. You don't then decide that you know better than the people who elevated it in the first place, or the man that CREATED it. Shmuck.

[JoeRhyno]

Bottom line... THIS IS NOT A GI JOE MOVIE.....

 

This is Dolph Lundren in Masters of the Universe

 

This is Ben Affleck in Daredevil....

 

This is the Phoenix being a schizophrenic result of a troubled Jean Grey...

 

This is Anakin building C3-PO ...

 

This is Padme dying because she didn't have the will to live....

 

This is Dolph Lundren as the 6 ft plus Punisher...

 

This is David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury.....

 

I guess that means I'll like it @loll@

[Pit Viper]

The politics in this thread are disgusting. This doesn't have anything to do with the Iraq War, religion in school, or liberals vs conservatives. I'm especially disgusted with members here telling me that I should leave the country because my ideals differ from theirs. America doesn't have anything to do with how big of a flag you wave but rather ideals such as the right to vote, freedom of speech and religion. People should be ashamed.

 

With that said I have mixed feelings with the idea of G.I. Joebeing an international force. G.I. Joe was presented as an international force in many countries so fans overseas may be more familiar with that concept that the one Americans are familiar with. And yes Hasbro and movie companies going to care more about making money internationally that they are pleasing conservatives in America by making sure G.I. Joe is American through and through.

 

 

But who will be the international members? Action Man? That would be like having Joseph Colton on the team. Big Ben? Skymate? Those characters don't rate getting screen time. Change some guys into foreign characters? I might be able to accept Recondo as Australian but I think generally that idea would piss me off. They could make up some new characters but that would be dumb seeing as how there are already well over 300 Joes. No need to thrown in anyone who isn't an exisitng character from the 80s.

 

 

I think some fans are fooling themselves with how conservative G.I. Joe supposedly is. From day one Hasbro has attempted to not piss people off by making their enemy the fictional Cobra rather than neo-nazis, the Soviert Union or communists in general. Remeber the whole "Adventure Team" thing from the Vietnam War era?

[DPrime]

Larry Hama wrote the card files. He created these characters. He did something unprecedented and wrote almost every single issue of the 155 issue Marvel Run, not to mention all the annuals, Special Missions, etc. To take his intricately woven background story which is why the brand name became so popular in the first place and throw it out in favor of this INTERNATIONAL CRAP is ludicrous.

 

 

Why does Boniventura not see this? This property came across his desk, because it was iconic enough to produce a decades old fanbase of such immensity, that people who only see money would take notice. You don't then decide that you know better than the people who elevated it in the first place, or the man that CREATED it. Shmuck.

 

Well, I for one do hope that Larry Hama is somehow involved in the movie... Like maybe an advisory role or co-writer? I don't have a problem with GI Joe being international as long as it's done correctly, as in, adding a couple Action Force or Oktober Guard members here and there, not making Duke a Frenchman or anything like that. Hama could make it work.

[gscbr]

MOD EDIT: TAKE IT TO PMs GUYS

 

 

Larry Hama wrote the card files. He created these characters. He did something unprecedented and wrote almost every single issue of the 155 issue Marvel Run, not to mention all the annuals, Special Missions, etc. To take his intricately woven background story which is why the brand name became so popular in the first place and throw it out in favor of this INTERNATIONAL CRAP is ludicrous.

 

 

Why does Boniventura not see this? This property came across his desk, because it was iconic enough to produce a decades old fanbase of such immensity, that people who only see money would take notice. You don't then decide that you know better than the people who elevated it in the first place, or the man that CREATED it. Shmuck.

the Hama universe wasn't some intrically woven backstory, it was contrived 2-dimensional soap opera that hardly would make a good movie. luckily DiBoniventure does see this. and I am not saying this idea for a movie is better than the best elements of Hama's G.I. Joe, just that Hama's story wasn't brilliant and wouldn't make a good movie either,IMO.

[JoeRhyno]

Yeah, um throwing politics in here is one of the quick easy ways to get a thread locked, so lets try not to go down that road

[JoeRhyno]

lol.. hey look.. it's Transformers the movie all over again!!!! and all we got was some 1 page news blurb.. WOW... talk about jumping overboard before you even see the iceberg.. or heck.. even know if there is an iceberg, lol.

[Dragonrider1227]

Am I the only one it doesn't bother to have GI Joe a global anti terrorist team rather than just based in America? So far, the only thing i'm not liking is the supposed lack of Cobra Commander but that could change

[Pit Viper]

Am I the only one it doesn't bother to have GI Joe a global anti terrorist team rather than just based in America? So far, the only thing i'm not liking is the supposed lack of Cobra Commander but that could change

 

The idea of G.I. Joe being internationally based in itself doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is the reality of such a film which means changing characters that have always been portrayed as Americans to be foreign or adding in characters that have no bussiness being in the film. If they could keep the characters just like they have always been portrayed and say they are international that wouldn't really bother me but what would be the point then?

[Viper Hunter]

Destro currently running the organization I can live with considering how in an interview at the debut of Transformers, Hasbro was going to put in Cobra Commander.

 

DPrime, I am taking international politics classes and am a political science major and I 100% agree with DavAnthony. Why? We interpret the data and information differently. International politics means nothing more that studying various politiical theories on how or why something is happening. Being in any of these types of classes you have to be able to interpret events from various lenses (ie Realpolitik, Dependency, Liberalism, Constructivism) and be open minded to each one. I just happent to agree with Dav's analysis. Taking an International Politics course has nothing to do with him having an informed opinion.

 

I don't mind differences in opinion when someone can back them up intelligently, and not insult everyone who doesn't live in the US in the process.

 

I think your over reacting to his comments then, because he wasn't so specific in his allegations to anyone in particular and said "MOST" is all. You're jumping to defend or deny something that is basically true and just taking it as an insult directed towards Canada somehow? There was no such indication in his comments. You're not demonstrating some "Patriotic Pride" in being a Canadian are you?

 

Now, as far as the movie news....

 

 

This is G.I.JOE A REAL AMERICAN HERO!!

 

PI$$ on this movie idea. They killed off Captain America, so it's no surprise that they're going to kill the "American" in ARAH G.I.Joe. It's like saying that the notion of Americans being anything like these G.I.Joe characters is so ridiculous and fictional, that they have to change it in order for it to be an accepted storyline by the worldwide audience. If I'm offended by this and complain, I'm instantly pigeonholed into being a typical redneck, YAHOO yellin', flag wavin', patriotic, arrogant, American" who doesn't like the TRUTH being thrown in his face about our nation and it's evil war mongering ways?

 

They're going to steal our G.I.Joe and make it LESS American, so Yugoslavia & France can appreciate it more without all the silly American element in it. Oh yeah....I'm just thrilled and ecstatic with that crock of sh@#!

 

PI$$ on this movie!

 

 

#US1# YO JOE...FOREVER AMERICAN!! #US1#

[leonardo]

How can you look down on other countries for not joining a WAR? The US didn't want to join World War 2 until WE got bombed. And that was far more devastating in terms of what was going on. I'm not commenting on our current war situation, this isn't the place or time.

 

I've lived in the US of A all my life and love my country. But guys get real, although our country being unpopular may be a small factor, the biggest reason they're making GI Joe international is for movie profits. Would you want to see GI Akbar: Real Iraqi Hero? Hasbro wants another Transformers. While America is the largest box office, the rest of the world can bring in a lot of money too. They're just making it accessible. If they did the movie in the 80's I bet they would have made it International. Heck the old cartoon/toy line was called GI Joe International Hero when taken to other countries like India, and India has been very westernized and has spoken/written English for a century thanks to the British Army. I'm sure base of operations will be in America and they'll have some American flags about in the movie, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Viper Hunter]

Am I the only one it doesn't bother to have GI Joe a global anti terrorist team rather than just based in America?

 

G.I.Joe already is a "global anti-terrorist organization". G.I.Joe already incorporates "teams" from around the globe to assist in the battles against Cobra.

 

If they're going to take liberties in changing up the background/story of ARAH, they could just add in characters from around the globe for that international flavor they're going for, rather than eliminating characters altogether. They should avoid the ARAH line of G.I.Joe and leave it's characters alone, save it for another time and era, and if it's just going to be "G.I.JOE" they can make it more of a "Action Man/Jason Bourne" type of spy, terrorist plot foiling, action adventure movie.

 

What next....they want to do a movie version of the Sept. 11th attacks, but they want to remove the Islamic Al-Qaeda element and replace it with an American based militant/religious group instead, so as not to offend the Muslim community?

 

This is just more Hollywood bullsh@# and they're conceding to the anti-America way, they're so busy trying to beat us over the head with, so we vote Democratic next year, hoping to depress the hell out of us about our current situation of being so VERY unpopular in the world today, and that a Lib is going to save us and correct those misconceptions if we vote WISELY!

 

This is not the time for G.I.Joe the ARAH movie then!

 

 

As far as the "political" nature of these rants...I think it's appropriate and relative to the subject. The idea behind these suggested changes to ARAH, for a movie version, is VERY politically oriented, otherwise we wouldn't be so upset and offended by it. If being proud to be an American is WRONG, and thinking we're a pretty good bunch of Joes in this country TRYING to do right by ourselves and the global community, is somehow absurd or totally ridiculous a concept, then I guess I'm living in fantasy land? @grumpy@

[MaceWinduPreview]

Am I the only one it doesn't bother to have GI Joe a global anti terrorist team rather than just based in America?

 

G.I.Joe already is a "global anti-terrorist organization". G.I.Joe already incorporates "teams" from around the globe to assist in the battles against Cobra.

 

If they're going to take liberties in changing up the background/story of ARAH, they could just add in characters from around the globe for that international flavor they're going for, rather than eliminating characters altogether. They should avoid the ARAH line of G.I.Joe and leave it's characters alone, save it for another time and era, and if it's just going to be "G.I.JOE" they can make it more of a "Action Man/Jason Bourne" type of spy, terrorist plot foiling, action adventure movie.

 

What next....they want to do a movie version of the Sept. 11th attacks, but they want to remove the Islamic Al-Qaeda element and replace it with an American based militant/religious group instead, so as not to offend the Muslim community?

 

This is just more Hollywood bullsh@# and they're conceding to the anti-America way, they're so busy trying to beat us over the head with, so we vote Democratic next year, hoping to depress the hell out of us about our current situation of being so VERY unpopular in the world today, and that a Lib is going to save us and correct those misconceptions if we vote WISELY!

 

This is not the time for G.I.Joe the ARAH movie then!

 

 

As far as the "political" nature of these rants...I think it's appropriate and relative to the subject. The idea behind these suggested changes to ARAH, for a movie version, is VERY politically oriented, otherwise we wouldn't be so upset and offended by it. If being proud to be an American is WRONG, and thinking we're a pretty good bunch of Joes in this country TRYING to do right by ourselves and the global community, is somehow absurd or totally ridiculous a concept, then I guess I'm living in fantasy land? @grumpy@

 

 

I TOTALLY AGREE 100% #tank# @usa@ #US1# @usa@ @yipee@

[JoeRhyno]

As far as the "political" nature of these rants...I think it's appropriate and relative to the subject. The idea behind these suggested changes to ARAH, for a movie version, is VERY politically oriented, otherwise we wouldn't be so upset and offended by it. If being proud to be an American is WRONG, and thinking we're a pretty good bunch of Joes in this country TRYING to do right by ourselves and the global community, is somehow absurd or totally ridiculous a concept, then I guess I'm living in fantasy land? @grumpy@

 

not true, they could easily want to change it to an international team and not go with the whole "A Real American Hero" tag line so they can sell it to international parties easier, you have to remember, movies aren't only made for us americans, it's a global industry, and with less and less people going to the theaters these days, I'm sure they're looking for all the $$ they can get when it comes to putting out movies.. so like I said, lets not turn this into a political thread, if Jay comes in here and says differently, well, that's another story..

[Viper Hunter]

How can you look down on other countries for not joining a WAR?

 

Maybe it's not so much WE'RE looking down on them, as it is they're looking down on us for GOING to war? I think the jist of the comment made, is that these people are very critical of our actions in all of this, yet they'll be the first to come crying for assistance if these attacks should fall on them as they have on us. That's aggrevating.

 

 

The US didn't want to join World War 2 until WE got bombed. And that was far more devastating in terms of what was going on.

 

That's the perfect example of the "damned if we DO, damned if we DON'T" dilema we're always faced with. We didn't RUSH into the conflict in Europe during WWII until Japan engaged us DIRECTLY, so that's a slight against us as a supposed allie of Britain? Yet we RUSHED into conflict after Sept. 11th, or we RUSHED in to give assistance to South Korea and then South Vietnam when they asked for it, to fight agiant their Northern communist brother's invasion upon them. We got so beat up about the hesitation to join Britain against Hitler, we didn't want to make that same mistake with our friends in Korea and Vietnam (or add in Kuwait later on) that we jumped to attention and went to help.....only to get beat down and ridiculed for it.

 

Damned if we DO and dmaned if we DON'T! @grumpy@

 

 

 

I've lived in the US of A all my life and love my country. But guys get real, although our country being unpopular may be a small factor, the biggest reason they're making GI Joe international is for movie profits. Would you want to see GI Akbar: Real Iraqi Hero?

 

Isn't that what they're bascially making?

 

What's wrong with Americans making movies to entertain and inspire Americans, with stories that have already been written that scream of our patriotism and sense of freedom & justice WORLDWIDE? Did these stories offend when developed for cartoons and comic books? Why all the international fans of G.I.Joe ARAH if it did? Wouldn't the "political" atmosphere today, be what these hollywood asses are thinking is the reason to CHANGE all that now?

 

Do you think all those John Wayne movies during WWII were popular WORLDWIDE, with Japan or Germany or Russia? They were propoganda movies for Americans I guess, but what's wrong with a little positive affirmation and propoganda for us American citizens and fans of G.I.JOE ARAH now?

 

 

 

 

 

While America is the largest box office, the rest of the world can bring in a lot of money too. They're just making it accessible. If they did the movie in the 80's I bet they would have made it International. Heck the old cartoon/toy line was called GI Joe International Hero when taken to other countries like India, and India has been very westernized and has spoken/written English for a century thanks to the British Army. I'm sure base of operations will be in America and they'll have some American flags about in the movie, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

They already edit and change titles of movies for foreign versions. Make the damn thing properly and correctly FIRST and then let the international community edit as they see fit.

[JayC]

There will be no attacking other people for their opinion. Keep your disccusions on the movie not fighting with each other on who's opnion is right and who's is wrong. This is the only warning I'm going to give on this. This thread will remain but anyone who can't refrain from attacking someone else will be gone.

[MaceWinduPreview]

There will be no attacking other people for their opinion. Keep your disccusions on the movie not fighting with each other on who's opnion is right and who's is wrong. This is the only warning I'm going to give on this. This thread will remain but anyone who can't refrain from attacking someone else will be gone.

 

 

With that in mind, I apologize for offending anyone, it was not my intention to do so.

[obiprime]

Woot! I cant wait to see it. Im glad theres gonna be some attempt to make this movie contemporary and Realistic. There had better be plenty of Cobra troopers, Crimson guard Vipers etc.... As much as I love Destro, The Commander should be in the Movie.