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The switching over of the license is going on 7 months now, and people are still bitching. Amazing.

 

I wish people accepted change. We're damn lucky the wave is continuing at all. I don't understand why people are complaining about "realistic" figures. I think it's absurd that people want SUPER LIFE-LIKE, SUPER ARTICULATED figures of DRAWINGS! If they don't have a wash, so what? Now we won't have stuck joints and costumes won't look miscolored (the "X-Men 3" line's "blue" Storm, anyone?). The same people that complained about ToyBiz's faults, (like the ones that Satanlovesyou posted) are the same kind of people that would complain about Hasbro. I like to complain too, don't get me wrong. There's no better way to vent your problems. But honestly, after almost 7 months now of bickering, I think everyone would be better off if they just started to play the game and accept Hasbro as their savior.

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Hard sciences do not account for the human mind or experiences beyond the neurosciences.

 

God accounts for the human mind. Hard science like math, physics, and chemistry account for all of the great scientific discoveries since antiquity and up to the present day that makes our lives better, safer, and more comfortable. Things like transportaion, medicine, and the computer on which you type your responses all came from "hard science"...not sociology.

 

Sorry, but that is a fact. Don't try and dispute it, because you can't.

 

The orthodox view is that everything is mechanistic, placing human beings outside of nature, at war with the self.

 

The "orthodox view" according to who, exactly?? Are you making an allusion to the Christian perspective of man as innately sinful, or are you merely trying too sound sophisticated??

 

An integral approach, which is what I would advocate instead, brings into account the full spectrum, allowing us to study both the hard sciences as well as causal factors.

 

Seems like you're atttempting to say that "mankind" is the sum of the empirical as well as the metaphysical...in other words, both "science and spirit". Fine. But just say it.

 

Math is just as important as psychology, economics is as important as sociology, etc.

 

Don't confuse psychology, which is a semi-hard science that enables us to decipher and analyze human behavior, with sociology, which is a non-academic pseudo-science that is rife with victimology, and prone to continual change due to social-political influences.

 

If we only look at the world through a mechanistic perspective we end up divorcing ourselves from nature and missing out on the big picture. All knowledge is equally important.

 

I'm sorry...what?????

 

No...all knowledge is not equally important. As an example, understanding how to count, add, subtract, multiply, and divide is far more important than knowing who wins "American Idol", whether Britney will ever perform again, or the sociological implications of Hip-Hop.

 

Capitalism is not "humane" or "compassionate"

 

Yes...it is. You say this because you don't understand it. I'll demonstrate...

 

Capitalism has one interest, one motive, one goal ONLY, always and forever - profit. This means human life, the environment, the future, nothing matters beyond the profit motive, because this is their highest value.

 

The scenario you describe is a Randian-perspective best described as "objectivism". This viewpoint, advocated by Ayn Rand, posits that pure, unabated capitalism is the purest form of human endeavor because it enables mankind, or, more specifically, certain members of mankind to achieve their fullest potential, unfettered by the interests of "the state", or "the people" (I'm over-simplifying Rand, of course...). While not explicitly elitist, "objectivism" does elevate certain members of society above others, not in a legal sense, but in a moral sense.

 

Ayn Rand was a brilliant person, and Objectivism was a reaction to the increasing growth of state power (specifically socialism and communism) that she rightly understood was a threat to capitalism, and thus to human achievement. However, I do not personally subscribe to "Objectivism", since it is also (paradoxically) inherently atheist...like socialism and communism.

 

But I will say that Rand explicitly understood human nature, and that the vast majority of human achievement is accomplished through incentives. Capitalism, combined with political freedom, is the only system that explicitly provides incentives (otherwise known as "money"...) for people to achieve and accomplish great things that benefit MANY, not a few, as you so wrongly assert.

 

If you disagree, please point to the great economic and societal accomplishments of socialist/communist nations. These are nations that expressly destroyed capitalist systems and replaced them with state-planned economies. As a result, the economies of these nations disintegrated.

 

Simply put, people won't work for nothing. Only a sociologist would fail to understand that.

 

 

If you believe another story that's because you've bought into the tale of the elite, which wants you to think capitalism is the greatest thing to ever happen to humanity. Capitalism serves the interests of the super rich, no one else.

 

Please re-read the above response...again...and again, if need be. Capitalism serves the needs of the many, by allowing individuals to achieve great things in order to obtain "evil profits".

 

If you still don't grasp it, then make a list of all the people you know who don't want their lives to be better. It's a very short list, right? Well guess what? Capitalism and the evil "profit motive" enable them to do that. Incentives...that pesky word...

 

You ever heard of a thing called "labor history"? Try checking it out sometime.

 

Yes...and I'm willing to bet that I understand it better to you. The Labor movement is based on socialist principles, and is inherently anti-capitalist. It had noble beginings, but in the modern sense, it is a morally-bankrupt, corrupt, and decrepit movement that is DIRECTLY responsible for a loss of American industrial competitiveness, the relocation of American industry overseas, outsourcing, the loss of hundreds of thousands of American jobs, and idiocy like mimimum-wage laws that hurt low-income workers.

 

Wanna' tell me more about "Labor history"??

 

If the entire world subscribed to American values the planet would be completely depleted of all resources in a few years. The American ideal is not feasible for our future or the world, in fact it's a recipe for total disaster.

 

So you've also bought into the myth that America is the great polluter and destroyer of the environment?

 

I'm not surprised.

 

If the entire planet subscribed to American ideals, freedom and wealth would abound. Do you actually believe that the great wealth, power, and prestige of America is an accident??

 

It's not. It is the DIRECT result of a system based on political freedom and pluralism, Judeo-Christian values, and CAPITALISM.

 

By the way...the Free Market is actually the BEST way to protect the environment. The market responds to social pressures in order to maintain profits. In other words, if a particular company adopts a "green" business philosophy and attracts customers by doing so, that's good business...and that's capitalism.

 

 

I hope this insightful mini-lecture has been helpful.

 

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I'm really not trying to fly the Hasbro flag at my camp as I had issues of my own with Series 1, but series 2 (at least on the computer) looks better. And don't forget Series VI, VII, VIII were notorious for being hard to find. Oh. And anyone anyone remember Toad? Talk about being brought back to the 90's (yes, he was a figure carried over from a different line and not exactly 'Marvel Legends' material).

 

It is getting a little frustrating, though, always coming to this board and everyone bashing the new product and waiting for Marvel Legends to be taken back by Toy Biz which seems akin to waiting on the second coming of Christ. They were awesome toys. Yeah. I own a ton of them, but someone new has them and instead of hoping the line tanks I hope they improve and flourish. Plenty of other characters I still need on my shelf.

 

 

 

Nostalgia won't get you new toys.

 

You bring up a good point with the reuse of Toad even if it was a carry over. I mean you made me remembered that Toybiz also do the "back to the '90s" concept with Marvel and charged more than before. I think a lot of you guys forgot VERY QUICKLY that Toybiz uses old molds and chargin' more for them. Remember the Spiderman water theme figures that was resurrected several months-to a year before Hasbro had the license? Even in 2006, we got these lame repaints of Namor, Venom, and Spiderman that cost up 10 bucks instead of the 5 or 6 bucks they cost years before?

 

There were also the occasional reuse of old molds from Toybiz like classics Sentinel with the retooled head, 5 pack giftsets of 5 inch figures even years after Marvel Legends have been out or the movie Fantasacar and blackbird that were repackaged for the six inch figs even though they were original made for the 5 inch line.

 

I bet you complainers that if you still collect figures in a decade or so after a new company gotten the license, you guys will complain that it isn't up to standards.

 

I am with CaptainJefro with his "I'm really not trying to fly the Hasbro flag at my camp as I had issues of my own with Series 1, but series 2 (at least on the computer) looks better" statement and I agree with his Nostalgia won't get you new toys comment.

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Actually, capitalism and money-based values are the reason the world is so messed up. You got it backwards.

 

If you actually believe that, then you know nothing of world history, politics, or economics.

 

If you actually beleive that, then please explain why the capitalist countries are far more advanced socially, politically, and economically than the rest of the world...c'mon...please...explain yourself.

 

I'd say that you're backwards, but that would be a compliment. You're not backwards...you're completely clueless.

 

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WHAT are they teaching in schools today?!?!?

 

china is pretty damn advanced and they're communist :) then again that's just me supporting my government type of choice in the words of thomas jefferson there should be a revolution every 20 years :) let the stoning begin because I believe in governments other than democracy. #hang@

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The switching over of the license is going on 7 months now, and people are still bitching. Amazing.

 

I wish people accepted change. We're damn lucky the wave is continuing at all. I don't understand why people are complaining about "realistic" figures. I think it's absurd that people want SUPER LIFE-LIKE, SUPER ARTICULATED figures of DRAWINGS! If they don't have a wash, so what? Now we won't have stuck joints and costumes won't look miscolored (the "X-Men 3" line's "blue" Storm, anyone?). The same people that complained about ToyBiz's faults, (like the ones that Satanlovesyou posted) are the same kind of people that would complain about Hasbro. I like to complain too, don't get me wrong. There's no better way to vent your problems. But honestly, after almost 7 months now of bickering, I think everyone would be better off if they just started to play the game and accept Hasbro as their savior.

 

 

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So? You act as if no one ever complained about TB product and now they complain about everything Hasbro does, just because it's Hasbro. Not the case. The fact is, people always had gripes here and there about TB. And it was accepted and fine...just fans/collectors stating their opinions. But now if someone wants to make similar gripes about HMLs, the Hasbro Supporters are always quick to jump up and dismiss it because they must just be "Hasbro haters." Hasbro is putting a lot of junk on the shelves and I have no doubt that's why much of it just rots on the pegs. There were plenty of people nay-saying when we found out Hasbro got the license, but if they came out w/ great stuff and knocked our socks off, everyone would have shut up about that and bought everything. But the fact is, they haven't come close to doing that and there is plenty to complain about.

 

If you're satisfied...great. But you're in for a rough time if you expect everyone to stop complaining just because you accept what Hasbro has been offering, because it doesn't seem to be getting any better around here does it? More people are getting fed up each day...

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Actually, capitalism and money-based values are the reason the world is so messed up. You got it backwards.

 

If you actually believe that, then you know nothing of world history, politics, or economics.

 

If you actually beleive that, then please explain why the capitalist countries are far more advanced socially, politically, and economically than the rest of the world...c'mon...please...explain yourself.

 

I'd say that you're backwards, but that would be a compliment. You're not backwards...you're completely clueless.

 

#US1#

 

WHAT are they teaching in schools today?!?!?

 

china is pretty damn advanced and they're communist :) then again that's just me supporting my government type of choice in the words of thomas jefferson there should be a revolution every 20 years :) let the stoning begin because I believe in governments other than democracy. #hang@

 

Yet another post-er who is absolutely dead-wrong, and whose lack of understanding has actually proven my point.

 

China is not "pretty damn[ed] advanced". 10% of the Chinese population live fairly well, by the standards of the entire world. The remaining 90% live in squalor, and this is a huge problem for China that they (naturally) don't report to the outside world, and that our far-left press refuses to tell us (it doesn't match the profile that you've so evidently swallowed...GULP!!!).

 

Now...back to the 10% who live fairly well.

 

Question: WHY do 10% of the Chinese people live "fairly well" ??

 

Hmmmm???

 

Answer: CAPITALISM. Yes..that's right. Capitalism.

 

Here's a history lesson: When Deng Xiao Peng became General Secretary of the Communist Party of China in the mid 1970's, he was wise enough to realize that China's communist economic policies were doomed to failure...like the economic policies of ALL communists countries. The Party therefore made a concerted effort to slowly allow the devlopment of capitalism, in very small doses. The intent was twofold: to improve the economy, and to bamboozle the west in the propaganda wars, and lead them to believe that China was actually a mature, responsible nation. The Tianemann Square massacre in 1989 put an end to that for anyone with a brain...although many (mostly in the press...naturally) still don't get it.

 

So in essence, China's adoption of a quasi-capitalist economic policy, with a heavy emphasis on trade and manufacturing has allowed 10% of the people to prosper. The rest still live in conditions reminiscent of the 19th century.

 

As far as "advanced" is concerned...sorry...WRONG AGAIN. China is not considered a world leader in the development of new technology...never has been. However, they're very good at re-engineering technology that's already been developed...and even better at pirating it (they lead the world in copyright violations).

 

Has this been helpful? I sincerely hope so.

 

Oh...by the way...if you really do believe in other forms of Government than democracy, you must LOVE China!! They're a world leader in oppression.

 

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Actually, capitalism and money-based values are the reason the world is so messed up. You got it backwards.

 

If you actually believe that, then you know nothing of world history, politics, or economics.

 

If you actually beleive that, then please explain why the capitalist countries are far more advanced socially, politically, and economically than the rest of the world...c'mon...please...explain yourself.

 

I'd say that you're backwards, but that would be a compliment. You're not backwards...you're completely clueless.

 

#US1#

 

WHAT are they teaching in schools today?!?!?

 

china is pretty damn advanced and they're communist :) then again that's just me supporting my government type of choice in the words of thomas jefferson there should be a revolution every 20 years :) let the stoning begin because I believe in governments other than democracy. #hang@

 

Yet another post-er who is absolutely dead-wrong, and whose lack of understanding has actually proven my point.

 

China is not "pretty damn[ed] advanced". 10% of the Chinese population live fairly well, by the standards of the entire world. The remaining 90% live in squalor, and this is a huge problem for China that they (naturally) don't report to the outside world, and that our far-left press refuses to tell us (it doesn't match the profile that you've so evidently swallowed...GULP!!!).

 

Now...back to the 10% who live fairly well.

 

Question: WHY do 10% of the Chinese people live "fairly well" ??

 

Hmmmm???

 

Answer: CAPITALISM. Yes..that's right. Capitalism.

 

Here's a history lesson: When Deng Xiao Peng became General Secretary of the Communist Party of China in the mid 1970's, he was wise enough to realize that China's communist economic policies were doomed to failure...like the economic policies of ALL communists countries. The Party therefore made a concerted effort to slowly allow the devlopment of capitalism, in very small doses. The intent was twofold: to improve the economy, and to bamboozle the west in the propaganda wars, and lead them to believe that China was actually a mature, responsible nation. The Tianemann Square massacre in 1989 put an end to that for anyone with a brain...although many (mostly in the press...naturally) still don't get it.

 

So in essence, China's adoption of a quasi-capitalist economic policy, with a heavy emphasis on trade and manufacturing has allowed 10% of the people to prosper. The rest still live in conditions reminiscent of the 19th century.

 

As far as "advanced" is concerned...sorry...WRONG AGAIN. China is not considered a world leader in the development of new technology...never has been. However, they're very good at re-engineering technology that's already been developed...and even better at pirating it (they lead the world in copyright violations).

 

Has this been helpful? I sincerely hope so.

 

Oh...by the way...if you really do believe in other forms of Government than democracy, you must LOVE China!! They're a world leader in oppression.

 

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i could go for a good revolution about now, if you guys support democracy more power to you. democracy is all about having a choice right so how is it democratic to try and force democracy upon others?

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This board is hytsterical...the title reads "Translating HASBRO", but we end up in a huge discussion, about capitalism, oppression, and China....you toy collectors are oh-so-serious!

I'm actually laughing out loud at these posts....

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china is pretty damn advanced and they're communist :) then again that's just me supporting my government type of choice in the words of thomas jefferson there should be a revolution every 20 years :) let the stoning begin because I believe in governments other than democracy. #hang@[/quote

 

Dude! you truely believe that Socialism/Communism is the best form of...government? Do you realize that Communism would destroy everything that this country has stood for, for the past 230 years, "Life, Liberty and the Persuite of Happiness"? Communism knows no such thing, they only believe in one doctrine, the Marxist doctrine of world domination, enslavement and oppression, there is no freedom to do anything under Communism what so ever. The freedoms that you and alot of everday people like yourself, take for granted, such as the freedom of speech, the freedom to assemble, the freedom to bare arms, the freedom to own private property, the freedom to make as much money as you want etc, etc. would all be eradicated if Communism gains a foot-hold in this country and those opposing it would be excuted or thrown into prison camps and worked to death. There is no greater form of government other than our own, if you don't believe me just go to China or Cuba and live as one of them, you'll be stripped of everything including your dignity.

 

If Jefferson were alive today he would condemn Communism in a heartbeat and he would be right to do so. I'm having a hard time believing that someone who believes in that system of evil would quote anything by America's greatest Founding Father...

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This board is hytsterical...the title reads "Translating HASBRO", but we end up in a huge discussion, about capitalism, oppression, and China....you toy collectors are oh-so-serious!

I'm actually laughing out loud at these posts....

 

I think you are onto something.

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This board is hytsterical...the title reads "Translating HASBRO", but we end up in a huge discussion, about capitalism, oppression, and China....you toy collectors are oh-so-serious!

I'm actually laughing out loud at these posts....

 

Ditto...History/World Government? Pass :P

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Another non political toy thread becomes a political thread about the evils of China and the Triumpet of America . :rolleyes:

 

Although I am proud to be an American, but I find politics in toy threads a buzz kill since politics has no business in a forum about toys. It just becomes a big rant about someone's view in politics and drags the whole thread to caca town.

 

Seriously, leave your political views elsewhere when you post on a toy thread. Years ago, this forum became so political that it stopped being fun.

 

 

I find this thread quite hilarious. I mean one thing that seems hilarious is that a poster made a comment of how China is evil or whatever, yet he buys toys. Doesn't toys come from China? Just seems to be a contradiction to me

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Another non political toy thread becomes a political thread about the evils of China and the Triumpet of America . :rolleyes:

 

Although I am proud to be an American, but I find politics in toy threads a buzz kill since politics has no business in a forum about toys. It just becomes a big rant about someone's view in politics and drags the whole thread to caca town.

 

Seriously, leave your political views elsewhere when you post on a toy thread. Years ago, this forum became so political that it stopped being fun.

 

Hey, if you don't like it, you can always start a really cool, really original thread like

"The Legends I really want Hasbro to make!"...

 

...now that would be some fascinating, invigorating "outside-the-box" thinking!

@smilepunch@

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Hey, if you don't like it, you can always start a really cool, really original thread like

"The Legends I really want Hasbro to make!"...

 

...now that would be some fascinating, invigorating "outside-the-box" thinking!

@smilepunch@

 

I had contemplated starting either a "What Hasbro really REALLY means" or "If Marvel Toys was still Toy Biz and hadn't lost the license to Hasbro, what figures I would have liked for them to put out". Hmm. Nah. That'd just be silly.

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Another non political toy thread becomes a political thread about the evils of China and the Triumpet of America . :rolleyes:

 

Although I am proud to be an American, but I find politics in toy threads a buzz kill since politics has no business in a forum about toys. It just becomes a big rant about someone's view in politics and drags the whole thread to caca town.

 

Seriously, leave your political views elsewhere when you post on a toy thread. Years ago, this forum became so political that it stopped being fun.

 

Hey, if you don't like it, you can always start a really cool, really original thread like

"The Legends I really want Hasbro to make!"...

 

...now that would be some fascinating, invigorating "outside-the-box" thinking!

@smilepunch@

 

LOL

 

I personally care less about the "what if" threads, but I was actually thinkin of starting a "What if gift sets are still being made, which [insert name of comic arc] character would you see" thread

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