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I wouldn't worry about getting in shape that much trust me during basic training the drill sergeants will get you in shape. That doesn't mean going in completely out of shape. Also, the guys in every unit that I was in that scored the highest on the pt test were also the smallest in size.

 

I Always had it easy with push ups and sit ups and would max them out on almost every pt test......it was the running that gave me a hard time i somehow always manage to make it through though. Unfortunetly, the running is the big part of the pt program in the army and that is the exercise they focus on.

 

 

Also.................Hoorah is from the marines.................hoah!! is from the army

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the only way to go from spc to capt is to go through ocs after enlisting and completing a college degree. of course you will need to have to make to get your 2nd and 1st LT promotions first

 

dont sweat basic training. I was 19 when i went and it was the best worst time of my life. You will hate it at first and by the end of it , it will all be one big funny game. nothing like doing push ups till you cant do them any more as you try to hide your laughter with your battle buddy, so they drill sgt wont smoke you later that day. We had an older guy in our class, we called him grandpa. I think he was late 30's and he did just fine. basic is easy its a game the drill sgt can only make you do push ups till muscle failure and then they move on down the line to someone else. You will be forced to get into shape. THe food and amount of exercise will help you shed any kind of extra weight you may be carrying.

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oh sweet now with the promotions how do you go from Spc. to capt.?

 

 

Well, those two are on very different paths. The SPC is on the enlisted side. The ranks start at E-1 PVT and go like this.

 

PVT (Private E-1)

PV2 (Private E-2)

PFC (Private first class E-3)

SPC (Specialist E-4)

CPL (Corporal E-4 / Junior NCO)

SGT (Sergeant E-5)

SSG (Staff Sergeant E-6)

SFC (Sergeant First Class E-7)

MSG (Master Sergeant E-8)

1SG (First Sergeant E-8)

SGM (Sergeant Major E-9)

CSM Command Sergeant Major E-9)

SMA (Sergeant Major of the Army E-9 I think, possibly E-10)

 

As for the officer side:

 

2LT (Second Lieutenant O-1)

1LT (First Lt. O-2)

CPT (Captain O-3)

MAJ (Major O-4)

LTC (Lt. Colonel O-5)

COL (Colonel O-6)

Brigadier General (O-7)

Major General (O-8)

Lieutenant General (O-9)

General (O-10)

 

Like was mentioned before you can't really jump from one side to the other. You would have to be commissioned to become an officer. And I doubt anyone would really want to jump from officer to enlisted.

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And I doubt anyone would really want to jump from officer to enlisted.

 

It happens... I've heard of officers up here who wanted to be SARTECHs - search and rescue technician (ie: air force guys who jump out of planes in all conditions and to save lives - not sure what your American equivalent would be called) - which admittedly sounds like an extremely cool job, but you can't be an officer to do it. Guess they were really bored with what they were doing, because they made the switch.

 

But yeah, man, if the plan is to be a captain, and you have a degree, enroll as an officer. You might as well take the more direct path if its available to you.

 

EDIT: Also keep in mind that the real objective of basic is to MAKE you into a soldier. Traditionally, they'll "break you down" to a certain degree in order to build you up again, but don't worry about them trying to weed anyone out - just don't quit. Whatever they say about it, the only real people they don't want there are quitters.

 

If you go the officer route, however, they'll be looking for leadership as well. Best advice I could give you, having done that myself (albeit the Canadian version, but it's all the same) is be DECISIVE. They'll likely put you in situations of stress and see how you react and lead others, and to a very large extent, that means being able to make a decision. Also, they love to see you taking care of the people under you. Some instructors up here stressed the three m's: the mission, your men, yourself - always put your priorities in that order.

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I like it when you guys call each other by your first names, Prime. I hope you know you get such funny looks from most of my people. @wink@

 

Tom

 

You mean the navy or officers?

 

Probably both, now that I think of it...

 

Oh, I meant officers, Prime!

 

Yeah, I thought it was weird at first too, to be quite honest! Guess I got used to it... Still, I'm kind of traditional in that I like the whole "Mr." thing between officers. Reminds me of Master and Commander or Star Trek!

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If you go the officer route, however, they'll be looking for leadership as well. Best advice I could give you, having done that myself (albeit the Canadian version, but it's all the same) is be DECISIVE. They'll likely put you in situations of stress and see how you react and lead others, and to a very large extent, that means being able to make a decision. Also, they love to see you taking care of the people under you. Some instructors up here stressed the three m's: the mission, your men, yourself - always put your priorities in that order.

 

 

Stress my high school was all about streess(magna tech school) in othre words college prep schools, when i was there the teachers were all like:"in college you'll see this and that" when i got to college, college was not like that college is more leniant than high school and of course easier depending on where you go.

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Stress my high school was all about streess(magna tech school) in othre words college prep schools, when i was there the teachers were all like:"in college you'll see this and that" when i got to college, college was not like that college is more leniant than high school and of course easier depending on where you go.

 

Yeah, but I'm talking about a different sort of stress... It's a lot different when you're out in the field. Just remember about being decisive - they're not even necessarily looking for a RIGHT decision, because they know you won't have enough experience at first to be right all the time. They just don't want to see you out there not knowing what to do, when guys could potentially be getting killed.

 

Watch Master and Commander (especially the first scene) and some of the Band of Brothers episodes and you'll know what I'm talking about.

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i get it, you mean like in the Band of Brothers episode where some Lt. started to freak out in his first combat exp. and two or three soldiers died because he frozed up is that what you mean?

 

 

Exactly. As an officer, those lives are in your hands. A good officer is one that communicates with, and takes advice from his NCO's when it comes to soldier business. NCO's work with the soldiers day in and day out. They know what each guy is capable of, and how best to use them. The officer side is more or less the written order type side of things. This is what we've got to do, now you guys have to go do it. Hopefully the officer is telling his NCO's what needs to be done, and then the NCO's can figure the best way for the team to accomplish the mission. But regardless, when it comes down to it, the officer is going to be credited with the missions success, and even it's failure.

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If you wanted to relay it to Joe terms, it's fairly easy.

 

Hawk is the officer. Hawk is given a mission to take out a Cobra base. Hawk goes to Duke who is a senior NCO. Hawk tells Duke what needs to happen. Duke goes to his Joe team and gives them the mission brief. Duke and his team go on the mission (sometimes Hawk would go with, sometimes he'd stay behind to give more tactical instructions based on the situation). Duke is the one in the field giving the orders to accomplish the mission. Cobra base is destroyed, Duke and his team return. Hawk goes back to the ones that gave him the mission in the first place to tell them the mission is acoomplished. Hawk gets a "Good job, Hawk. Way to go." Hawk goes back down to Duke and does the same thing, Duke goes to his troops and does the same.

 

Now you have some officers (usually lower ranking ones like the LTs) that will be on the mission with the team. Say like Falcon. Falcon would be there as a representative for Hawk. Falcon technically outranks Duke as any officer would. But, Falcon being the smart LT that he is, would still let Duke run the troops, but Falcon would still be responsible for the team. And Falcon could still override any decision Duke would make. Sometimes the officers come up with better ideas than the NCOs and their input is greatly appreciated. Most of the time, an LT can learn A LOT from a senior NCO.

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it's like i used to think boot camp is horrible and a hell hole but it's not really only two months then you get put into a tour of duty. it's like i'm watching teh news and i think if the army goes around a city street and not through it then maybe their would not be so many casualties because when you go through then you're going to get shot from eery direction also have people in teams of two chek every room of the house or apt. teams of four if building is bigger. what do you guys think?

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i get it, you mean like in the Band of Brothers episode where some Lt. started to freak out in his first combat exp. and two or three soldiers died because he frozed up is that what you mean?

 

Yep, but you'd be surprised how many people can't even do it in a combat situation.

 

Oh, and a hint - if you get jacked up for making a wrong decision, they love it when you take responsibility, and they HATE excuses. Remember there's a difference for giving a reason and an excuse. That whole "no excuse SIR" thing from Band of Brothers? Instructors may get tired of hearing it (one of my sergeants actually did say that to me!) but it's still usually the best answer you can give!

 

it's like i used to think boot camp is horrible and a hell hole but it's not really only two months then you get put into a tour of duty. it's like i'm watching teh news and i think if the army goes around a city street and not through it then maybe their would not be so many casualties because when you go through then you're going to get shot from eery direction also have people in teams of two chek every room of the house or apt. teams of four if building is bigger. what do you guys think?

 

Well... It's easy to say that when you don't really know what the objective or the tactical situation is over there. Flanking (ie: going around) is a classic tactical maneovre but urban combat isn't exactly a classic warfare situation, and certainly not when you're fighting an insurgency rather than regular troops.

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that's why from here till enlistment i plan to get into shape, build muscles and run more, i have no problem taking orders, adjusting maybe a little, anyway can i get a HOORAH!?

 

OORAH!!

 

Is everybody in here Army? No other Marines?

 

I am not a marine, was disqualified (with honor) in Bootcamp due to an injury after 4 1/2 weeks. Didn't ever get a chance to put on the dress blues, just friggin fatigues. I still hope that the dumb*%% that screwed up and got me hurt didn't make it. My drill sgt. said he would be doing all the work I would have done til the end on top of his own.

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it's like i used to think boot camp is horrible and a hell hole but it's not really only two months then you get put into a tour of duty. it's like i'm watching teh news and i think if the army goes around a city street and not through it then maybe their would not be so many casualties because when you go through then you're going to get shot from eery direction also have people in teams of two chek every room of the house or apt. teams of four if building is bigger. what do you guys think?

 

 

I think not only are you taking basic training lightly, but also underestimating the challenge of being in Iraq. And guess what? Your idea about checking rooms in teams? We do that.

 

Basic training is not fun, and it is not easy. I know non-infantry basic emphasises different aspects of the military than infantry (Which was really just 14 weeks of push ups and screaming and humiliation.) but it's still not 'only two months'.

 

 

Oh, and Wayne - Nope, not a whole lot of Marines, on here. I'd make a joke about the challenges of technology vs. the Marine profile, but... why take the obvious route? @wink@

 

Tom

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If you went to work for 10-15 years after college you would be too old to get in, at least without a waiver. I would do it the other way around, as most of us Army guys do. When I got injured and chaptered out of the Army, I was able to role that experience, and years served into the civilian world. Especially if you go goverment after all the time you have served will count toward retirement. As far as the rank thing goes, as long as you don't need the loans to pay back, the officer path is probably better.

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Hey Tom-1.... are you implying about typical Marines?

 

Well go ahead. I don't know if the average Army guy is as smart as a bag of bolts, but the Marines are. Don't get me wrong, they get the job done, and I would have been proud to call myself a Marine, but they know one thing......killing.

 

And in case you were wondering about becoming an officer in the USMC Hector, you have to go to the normal 13 week bootcamp, either San Diego or Parris Island depending on which side of the Mississippi you live on, get a recomendation (i.e. excel at everything from PT to marksmanship to leadership) then go to a special 10 week PLC or OCS (depending on if you have already or are only on schedule to graduate college) in Quantico, VA, on top of training for your particular MS.

 

Its all of that that makes the Marines get the job done faster with less help than the Army ;)

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Basic training is not fun, and it is not easy. I know non-infantry basic emphasises different aspects of the military than infantry (Which was really just 14 weeks of push ups and screaming and humiliation.) but it's still not 'only two months'.

 

Well, let's not call it easy, but it can be fun, especially if you're into military stuff already. It can also be a major pain in the a$$, but I firmly believe it's something almost everyone can do (barring injury or certain handicaps, of course). Overall, it's challenging, of course.

 

I very much like the idea of EVERYONE doing it actually, the way they do in a lot of European countries. A lot of people out there need that kind of discipline forced upon them.

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well i live in Tx. and i know that if i decide to go army, reserve, or national guard that first i'll go to boot camp and then officer candidate school, now i wont see anything like in the movie "platton" right or has the military still the same as in 'Nam?

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If you went to work for 10-15 years after college you would be too old to get in, at least without a waiver. I would do it the other way around, as most of us Army guys do. When I got injured and chaptered out of the Army, I was able to role that experience, and years served into the civilian world. Especially if you go goverment after all the time you have served will count toward retirement. As far as the rank thing goes, as long as you don't need the loans to pay back, the officer path is probably better.

You can join the Army at 41 and turn 42 in training now. without a waiver. Bootcamp is actually pretty sissy now. It's a lot different than when I went through. One of the guys that I went through AIT and Airborne school with is a Drill Sgt. now. He told me that they can't really even yell at their recruits now. Especially outside on the drill pads because if an Officer catches them, the can get into some deep sh*t. They're trying to make Basic stress free, which is freakin' ridiculous. The recruits get "Stress cards" now and if a Drill Sgt. is hassling them all they have to do is hold it up and the Drill Sgt. has to leave them alone and walk away. What a load of crap! Soldiers need stress! I doubt an Iraqi insurgent is going to quit shooting at you when you hold up your damn "stress card". @grumpy@

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If you went to work for 10-15 years after college you would be too old to get in, at least without a waiver. I would do it the other way around, as most of us Army guys do. When I got injured and chaptered out of the Army, I was able to role that experience, and years served into the civilian world. Especially if you go goverment after all the time you have served will count toward retirement. As far as the rank thing goes, as long as you don't need the loans to pay back, the officer path is probably better.

You can join the Army at 41 and turn 42 in training now. without a waiver. Bootcamp is actually pretty sissy now. It's a lot different than when I went through. One of the guys that I went through AIT and Airborne school with is a Drill Sgt. now. He told me that they can't really even yell at their recruits now. Especially outside on the drill pads because if an Officer catches them, the can get into some deep sh*t. They're trying to make Basic stress free, which is freakin' ridiculous. The recruits get "Stress cards" now and if a Drill Sgt. is hassling them all they have to do is hold it up and the Drill Sgt. has to leave them alone and walk away. What a load of crap! Soldiers need stress! I doubt an Iraqi insurgent is going to quit shooting at you when you hold up your damn "stress card". @grumpy@

 

 

Ah, the good ol' stress card. I heard all these rumors about the stress card when I went through basic, but I never saw a one. And the Basic experience depends a lot on where you go. I have three guys I know from my last unit that all went on to become Drills, and from what I'm hearing, they're allowed to be as tough on them as mine were to me. The only difference now is the standards as far as PT is concerned. From what the new privates are telling me, they basically try to pass everyone just to get more bodies in the Army.

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Ok, I'm in the Marines, been in for about 3 years. Deployed once (Iraq), going back next year with a MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit - A whole bunch of Ships) probably to Afghanistan or somewhere in the Middle East. I've seen Marines do alot of stupid stuff, believe me.

 

And yes, most Marines are most definatly not the brightest, like i've said i've seen alot. But a good number of the guys i know and work with are far from it, so don't lump us all into one catergory.

 

 

And it's OORAH not HOORAH that's the Air Force.

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If you went to work for 10-15 years after college you would be too old to get in, at least without a waiver. I would do it the other way around, as most of us Army guys do. When I got injured and chaptered out of the Army, I was able to role that experience, and years served into the civilian world. Especially if you go goverment after all the time you have served will count toward retirement. As far as the rank thing goes, as long as you don't need the loans to pay back, the officer path is probably better.

You can join the Army at 41 and turn 42 in training now. without a waiver. Bootcamp is actually pretty sissy now. It's a lot different than when I went through. One of the guys that I went through AIT and Airborne school with is a Drill Sgt. now. He told me that they can't really even yell at their recruits now. Especially outside on the drill pads because if an Officer catches them, the can get into some deep sh*t. They're trying to make Basic stress free, which is freakin' ridiculous. The recruits get "Stress cards" now and if a Drill Sgt. is hassling them all they have to do is hold it up and the Drill Sgt. has to leave them alone and walk away. What a load of crap! Soldiers need stress! I doubt an Iraqi insurgent is going to quit shooting at you when you hold up your damn "stress card". @grumpy@

 

 

Ah, the good ol' stress card. I heard all these rumors about the stress card when I went through basic, but I never saw a one. And the Basic experience depends a lot on where you go. I have three guys I know from my last unit that all went on to become Drills, and from what I'm hearing, they're allowed to be as tough on them as mine were to me. The only difference now is the standards as far as PT is concerned. From what the new privates are telling me, they basically try to pass everyone just to get more bodies in the Army.

 

 

 

sounds alot like the infamous "TIME OUT" trainees were alledgedly allowed to say if they got too stressed by TIs in the AF...probably just an urban legend.

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I don't get the Stress Card. It's like a guy on profile out here, who whips out his profile if someone starts getting on his case for not doing something. We just find some way to mess with them that won't violate that profile. The stress card is the same concept - just come BACK to that person after their stress period has ended, and mess them up two times as bad.

 

And Prime, I'm not saying Basic can't be fun, but mine wasn't. Infantry is all about weeding out the losers, turning the stronger guys on the weak, constant, unending pressure, screaming, thinly veiled threats, and unattainable goals...followed by intense punishment when those goals are not met.

 

One of a hundred examples: my Drill thought it was a good idea to wake us up every morning with the siren of a bullhorn. At 0330... EVERY morning except graduation day.

 

He would then go down the line and ask someone a question about the Army most of us couldn't possibly know (What's the nomenclature for X obscure item) and smoke us all if that one person didn't know. Now, what's the natural group reaction in that case? Turn on that guy. He got us smoked. For every one person who could see through the Drill's tricks, there were five more SHEEP who thought if they made that poor kid's life miserable, it'd get them a pat on the head.

 

 

After Hec asked the question if Army life is still like 'Platoon'... I seriously hope he doesn't join. Yes, Hec - we all do pot, run in the face of danger, and our platoon sergeants and platoon leaders often try to murder each other.

 

Tom

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