G.I.Joe 25th Anniversary Storm Shadow Figure

[Straight Edge]

Not sure there's anything to say really. It's an awesome figure. It's Storm Shadow, ripped dtraight from 1984, and given a modern feel. It's sacrificed to O-Ring without limiting the articulation (the reason I was upset with the 2002 prototypes).

 

Ayone can nit-pick this figure, and many Joe fans have become knee-jerk b*tch 'n moaners... If it's not your cup of tea, fine. But you can't look at that figure and say it's ugly, poorly made, or worthless. It looks good, it's well proportioned, and it's a new kind of Joe figure.

 

And we're getting 24 more just like him. If you don't like it, well, sorry. But some (it seems alot) of us are going to have a ball collecting GIJoe again. I'll see you in the aisles, guys!

[Viper Hunter]

im hating on Rah cuz im so sick and tired of hearing every few years that nothing compares to "RAH"

well guess what thats right... becuase it was twenty frikin years ago.. you :RAH: guys are like nerds who got dumped by thier first girlfriend, and aont washed your hand she held. Do we need to make a new forum just for you?

so you can complain and grip about new things, and remember how things were "back when"? becuase seriosuly its ont thing to be negetive once in a while.. but every damn time a new line comes out its wah i love rah, way hasbro sucks

wah i wiswh it was 1986 again.. WAH WAH WAH WAH!

 

after 7 different line changes, im going to head say.. yah its getting annoying hearing about how the "RAH" fans are never happy... well i hope hasbro's next invention is a time machine.. you can send your self back to what you love so much, and let the rest of us enjoy progression in peace and less negitivity...

 

 

RAH fans = Pessimists.

 

Soooooo...all this RAGE was ignited by my criticism of this Storm Shadow figure? I don't recall much commenting on the old RAH verse anything NEW rants here, unless my stated preference for having the O-ring is qualifying enough, to go into your own rant on it?

 

Action figure collectors are like this, across the board, hard to please....so don't just dump on the ARAH "nostalgia".

[Viper Hunter]

Ayone can nit-pick this figure, and many Joe fans have become knee-jerk b*tch 'n moaners... If it's not your cup of tea, fine. But you can't look at that figure and say it's ugly, poorly made, or worthless. It looks good, it's well proportioned, and it's a new kind of Joe figure.

 

If you can claim all THAT.... It looks good, it's well proportioned, and it's a new kind of Joe figure. from merely the same image as I'm looking at, why is it not possible for me to have a less positive opinion of it, without being discredited somehow, by throwing disparaging words my way, for being a knee-jerk B!tch moaner? @hmmm@

 

I THINK it looks ugly, and I THINK some of the joints look odd and flimsy (LOOK I said, they LOOK like it) I think it MAY be poorly made, because of past bloops and blunders, and as far as "worthless"...? I can't REALLY make any prediction on that. From the sounds of it, they'll do very well as you all are pretty impressed so far.

 

And we're getting 24 more just like him. If you don't like it, well, sorry. But some (it seems alot) of us are going to have a ball collecting GIJoe again. I'll see you in the aisles, guys!

 

That's very true. I'm not insulting anyone for liking them though.

[obiprime]

Its good to see everyone back! I hope there are Cobra Soldier and Officer repaints. Or even better a Cobra army six pack

[DPrime]

Action figure collectors are like this, across the board, hard to please....so don't just dump on the ARAH "nostalgia".

 

I agree, if you just showed up to dump on RAH, well, I'm not sure what to think... What were you doing posting in the GI Joe forum to begin with? I for one think it's nice we're getting "updated" figures but GI Joe as we now know it all started with RAH.

 

I mean, it's great that people are jumping on the bandwagon now, because I like to see interest in GI Joe grow, but I don't understand the need to express your approval of these figures with a vehement dislike of the originals, or passing judgment on all of us who still love them.

[gscbr]

Action figure collectors are like this, across the board, hard to please....so don't just dump on the ARAH "nostalgia".

I don't think so much that they are hard to please as much as that they simply live in the past, which correlates to their collecting habit which is essentially based on their collecting old toys. their interest in new toys is dependent on their emotional connection to the toys of their youth or of the past. they enjoy new toys but are emotionally dependent on the old ones, and thus everything is judged against the old ones. but new toys can never create an emotional connection with them because they don't harken back to the experience of the old toys that created their love for the toys themsleves, thus the new toys can never be as good as old ones, not because of the quality, or sculpting or what have you, which are used as an excuse, but simply because an inability to let go and move forward, to accept progress and something different from what they are emotionally connected to. to accept a new toy is better than an old one would be to admit that the toys they are emotioally connected to aren't perfect or the end-all-be-all of action figures, which is why they are dedicated to them in the first place. if RAH isn't perfect, then they have been worshipping an imperfect toy.

[Viper Hunter]

To keep focused on the FIGURE itself, and what I'm not liking about it...

 

 

 

 

That shoulder design is definitely going to limit the full range of motion, for this sword swingin' ninja to raise his arms above his head.

 

That's LESS articulation...not MORE!

 

Those forearm swivel joints look like hell and and in certain positions, make the lower half shot off in an odd direction from the upper half. It's a flimsy point for the plastic and I don't think it looks good. A simple rotating hand movement is all that's needed.

 

DIAPER CROTCH! What more needs stated?

 

NO O-RING! Blasphemy! Long torso's and short calves....looks terrible, and if positioned to stand straight up, those legs looked preposed, warped and flimsy.

 

Sandals suck!

 

and the knee joints look funny, not sure on those, may just be the picture and it's pose, but from what I CAN see...I don't like it.

 

It's as simple as that fella's. I doubt anyone is going to agree on those points, but hey, isn't that at least SOME part of why we're here, to share opinions and thoughts, and reactions?

[cobrasaboteur]

I kinda like it...however i think they should have done these in the 8 inch form...kind like what marvel did for their action figures (before "marvel legends"). That would have been great for the 25th anniversary. I think i might convert some of these figures into 8 inch figures.

 

A very nice figure....however they DEFINITELY should have stuck with the oring... the oring gives more articulation imo and prevents the figure from looking weird with large ball joints. I think hasbro switched to cut costs of the t hook and o ring.

 

too bad.

 

-saboteur

[gscbr]

I agree, if you just showed up to dump on RAH, well, I'm not sure what to think... What were you doing posting in the GI Joe forum to begin with?

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point? but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe. guess what, this sin't a RAH thread, so why are you posting in it. see how silly that sounds?

[DPrime]

I agree, if you just showed up to dump on RAH, well, I'm not sure what to think... What were you doing posting in the GI Joe forum to begin with?

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point?

 

I guess my point wasn't clear enough for you. Let me repeat it again:

 

I don't understand the need to express your approval of these figures with a vehement dislike of the originals, or passing judgment on all of us who still love them.

 

I mean, I prefer the 3 3/4" stuff to 12" Joes, but I'm not going around talking crap about people who prefer them, or spouting off pseudo-psychiatric nonsense about scores of people I've never met.

 

but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe.

 

I think I've made it quite clear that I'm excited about this line, and now that I've seen pictures, I'm going to buy it, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[Viper Hunter]

to accept a new toy is better than an old one would be to admit that the toys they are emotioally connected to aren't perfect or the end-all-be-all of action figures, which is why they are dedicated to them in the first place. if RAH isn't perfect, then they have been worshipping an imperfect toy.

 

For some maybe, but not for me.

 

I've been vehemently trying to explain that. I already HAVE all the old classics and some in multiples. I've seen progress in the line over the years, some subtle changes in construction and added detail, and welcomed it.

 

There's plenty to criticize against some of the original releases, from oversized noggins, bad paint apps, whacky color schemes, rivets, screws and brittle plastic..etc and so on!

 

Why bother on that though, it's done and gone.

 

What I want, is for the NEW stuff to be GREAT, as that's what I'm wanting to collect NOW! Using my objective opinions against what we're being offered up is only because that's the only thing that matters, in any delusional ideas of having ANY affect on it. Likely all in vain, but hey, it doesn't hurt to be honest and want a coolass G.I.Joe figure of the future.

 

What's "coolass" to me though, doesn't speak for everyone, I'm aware of that, and everyone needs to stop being so sensitive to my gripes on this figure.

[Viper Hunter]

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point?

 

Last I checked, it was G.I.Joe A Real American Hero!

 

 

but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe. guess what, this sin't a RAH thread, so why are you posting in it. see how silly that sounds?

 

Last I checked, it was a thread about the 25th anniversary of RAH!

 

You're out of your mind, with this rant of yours. Learn your place already and get off the arrogant high horse bit.

[DPrime]

What I want, is for the NEW stuff to be GREAT, as that's what I'm wanting to collect NOW! Using my objective opinions against what we're being offered up is only because that's the only thing that matters, in any delusional ideas of having ANY affect on it. Likely all in vain, but hey, it doesn't hurt to be honest and want a coolass G.I.Joe figure of the future.

 

What's "coolass" to me though, doesn't speak for everyone, I'm aware of that, and everyone needs to stop being so sensitive to my gripes on this figure.

 

I completely agree. I'm not sure where or why the hate for RAH comes into play in this thread, actually. How many people here actually wanted or thought that the 25th Anniversary line would be RAH style? All in all, people were pretty realistic here, and there wasn't a whole lot of "RAH or I won't buy it" talk from what I could see.

 

The one person who was like that that I saw, was some dude who was on Yojoe, posted (without even looking at the pic, mind you) that this line was some sort of travesty to RAH, even calling it the greatest insult. I actually got a three-day ban because I called on his BS... nice eh? So sensitive over there...

 

So don't be lumping me or anyone else with that guy just because RAH is still going to be the biggest part of our Joe collections. Sheesh.

[gscbr]

I agree, if you just showed up to dump on RAH, well, I'm not sure what to think... What were you doing posting in the GI Joe forum to begin with?

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point?

 

I guess my point wasn't clear enough for you. Let me repeat it again:

 

I don't understand the need to express your approval of these figures with a vehement dislike of the originals, or passing judgment on all of us who still love them.

 

I mean, I prefer the 3 3/4" stuff to 12" Joes, but I'm not going around talking crap about people who prefer them, or spouting off pseudo-psychiatric nonsense about scores of people I've never met.

 

but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe.

I think I've made it quite clear that I'm excited about this line, and now that I've seen pictures, I'm going to buy it, so I don't know what you're talking about.

these are all great explanations, but none address the point that you told him if he doesn't like RAH then why is he posting in the G.I. Joe forum, which can only mean that if you don't like RAH you shouldn't be in the Joe forum.

 

to accept a new toy is better than an old one would be to admit that the toys they are emotioally connected to aren't perfect or the end-all-be-all of action figures, which is why they are dedicated to them in the first place. if RAH isn't perfect, then they have been worshipping an imperfect toy.

 

For some maybe, but not for me.

 

I've been vehemently trying to explain that. I already HAVE all the old classics and some in multiples. I've seen progress in the line over the years, some subtle changes in construction and added detail, and welcomed it.

 

There's plenty to criticize against some of the original releases, from oversized noggins, bad paint apps, whacky color schemes, rivets, screws and brittle plastic..etc and so on!

 

Why bother on that though, it's done and gone.

 

What I want, is for the NEW stuff to be GREAT, as that's what I'm wanting to collect NOW! Using my objective opinions against what we're being offered up is only because that's the only thing that matters, in any delusional ideas of having ANY affect on it. Likely all in vain, but hey, it doesn't hurt to be honest and want a coolass G.I.Joe figure of the future.

 

What's "coolass" to me though, doesn't speak for everyone, I'm aware of that, and everyone needs to stop being so sensitive to my gripes on this figure.

 

we have discussed in private that we agree on many more things than would appear in our debates. I agree, RAH figures, from design, to execution to quality are better than any new sculpt figure, except perhaps Barrage, so we do agree on that. but there is also a segment of fans who aren't open to anything that isn't RAH in size, design, construction, etc, and that is who I am talking about. if you don't fit that group, okay, but that group does exist.

[DPrime]

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point?

 

Last I checked, it was G.I.Joe A Real American Hero!

 

 

but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe. guess what, this sin't a RAH thread, so why are you posting in it. see how silly that sounds?

Last I checked, it was a thread about the 25th anniversary of RAH!

 

You're out of your mind, with this rant of yours. Learn your place already and get off the arrogant high horse bit.

 

Hehe... nicely done!

[DPrime]

these are all great explanations, but none address the point that you told him if he doesn't like RAH then why is he posting in the G.I. Joe forum, which can only mean that if you don't like RAH you shouldn't be in the Joe forum.

 

Well, yeah, I do have to wonder about that. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if people preferred one style or line over another, but to seem to absolutely HATE RAH (or at least write as if he did), well, that seems pretty strange. It's not a "if you disagree, get out" deal with me, but I have to wonder how some people can seemingly loathe what was pretty much the defining moment for the line and its characters (and if you disagree with that, how come Storm Shadow looks exactly like his V1 design?).

[gscbr]

last I checked, this was a G.I. Joe forum, not a RAH forum, so what's your point?

 

Last I checked, it was G.I.Joe A Real American Hero!

 

 

but your own statement is what Ccav was talking about, this arrogance of RAH being the only G.I. Joe. guess what, this sin't a RAH thread, so why are you posting in it. see how silly that sounds?

Last I checked, it was a thread about the 25th anniversary of RAH!

 

You're out of your mind, with this rant of yours. Learn your place already and get off the arrogant high horse bit.

another specious example! you never stop! @smilepunch@

 

The A REAL AMERICAN HERO title also applies to new sculpt figures as well, as they have been part of the new sculpt brand of the line and part of Hasbro's communications, thus it applies to all figures based on the concepts of the 80's line. that is different from the classification to seperate the different figures and themes, as RAH, VvV, Spy Troops, DTC, which are used by fans but which Hasbro has all grouped under the Real American Hero banner.

[gscbr]

these are all great explanations, but none address the point that you told him if he doesn't like RAH then why is he posting in the G.I. Joe forum, which can only mean that if you don't like RAH you shouldn't be in the Joe forum.

 

Well, yeah, I do have to wonder about that. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if people preferred one style or line over another, but to seem to absolutely HATE RAH (or at least write as if he did), well, that seems pretty strange. It's not a "if you disagree, get out" deal with me, but I have to wonder how some people can seemingly loathe what was pretty much the defining moment for the line and its characters (and if you disagree with that, how come Storm Shadow looks exactly like his V1 design?).

no, I don't disagree. we are all Joe fans (at least most) because of RAH, which are great figures from design to contruction to simple ingenuity for the times. but the times have changed and brought about new technologies to improve the design of the figures which is different from the design of the characters, which is where RAH is superior to anything new sculpt. after 6 years of debatable character designs, Hasbro is finally figuring out that perhaps all that was needed was the same character designs, albeit slightly updated, with todays superior production and sculpting abilities.

 

it didn't seem to me that he hated RAH, just that he was tired of the RAH attitude that has a tendency to be voiced.

[Viper Hunter]

we have discussed in private that we agree on many more things than would appear in our debates.

 

 

This is true!

 

 

I agree, RAH figures, from design, to execution to quality are better than any new sculpt figure, except perhaps Barrage, so we do agree on that. but there is also a segment of fans who aren't open to anything that isn't RAH in size, design, construction, etc, and that is who I am talking about. if you don't fit that group, okay, but that group does exist.

 

Oh, I don't deny that they do, and they're just as obnoxious as can be sometimes. I feel like I'm getting thrown under the bus with'em here, and that's aggrevating to me. I don't want to bring down the entire thread, because I'm almost the LONE negative poster on this SS figure, but members are throwing up an old RAH vs NEW SCULPTS debate from years ago, in defense against my gripes, and wanting of the O-ring, as though just THAT (wanting the O-ring feature) is significant enough to call me out as a new sculpt hater. @hmmm@

 

I have collected all the new sculpts and have one helluva NEW Blue Viper army, of which I had as my sig for quite a long while.

 

That charge doesn't fit me.

[Viper Hunter]

The A REAL AMERICAN HERO title also applies to new sculpt figures as well, as they have been part of the new sculpt brand of the line and part of Hasbro's communications, thus it applies to all figures based on the concepts of the 80's line. that is different from the classification to seperate the different figures and themes, as RAH, VvV, Spy Troops, DTC, which are used by fans but which Hasbro has all grouped under the Real American Hero banner.

 

There's a 12" scale of RAH figures and toys out there as well, and you just don't see as much posting and activity on that scale either. The 12" camp doesn't get much love around these parts, even though they have a presence in the RAH camp.

 

Sigma Six has the names, but that's about it, and they're discussed more often around here, than the 12" counterparts of same name.

 

No ARAH tagline on Sigma Six (at least I don't think there is?) yet they're on this board nonetheless.

 

I think this site and it's members deserve MORE credit, for tolerance on these issues, that what is being thrown out here, and any PRE-determined aggrevation about mistreatment abroad or OLD bitter battles about old vs new on some OTHER Joe board, shouldn't be an excuse for flying off the handle about it HERE!

 

I don't like the looks of this Storm Shadow, and I still LOVE my ol' O-rings! Is that justification for some to fly off and cast HATE on the toys that brought us here in the first place?

 

I've complained about the TOY itself, the plastic pieces of it. Others decide to complain about the complaints and the complainers who complained about the plastic pieces and how they look molded together. Which is worse? @smilepunch@

[leonardo]

It has its drawbacks but when you get down to it Hasbro could have continued sigma six and left us out in the cold.

 

They're restarting the small joes and it's just for us! What kid is gonna care that storm shadow follows his v1 sculpt? These are entirely for us, and it puts a big slap into the faces of all those who always defend toy companies with lines like "they make these for the kids, not for collectors, we don't make up enough of the buying power when compared to kids, yadda yadda... so the (insert crappy action feature or whatever here) is going to stay!" we've all heard it before. This line looks to be almost completely for the collectors with kids being an afterthought, how great is that! Kids get sigma six and we get old school joes done right. That makes me look past the odd diaper crotch and double knee joint. I mean it really seems like for a behemoth company Hasbro cares about the ones that continually moan about their products! That's some loyalty right there.

[PhoenixSword]

when i saw this figure i thought cool looking toy. it doesn't look like a joe to me. it looks like a mesh of joe, starwars, and ml to me. hasbro decided (once again) to mix toylines in a not so noticable way.... maybe not, but that is what i think.

 

and as far as the limited range of motion thing... STAR WARS. It looks just like the star wars clones i bought. (which i sold because i didn't really have any other star wars toys that were newer) i mean, It looks like it has a lot of articulation, but the range of motion, as viper hunter kinda mentioned, looks like it won't even compare to the other figures we have seen in the past. (the only articulation that was of any use or new to me was how they could lay on the ground and actually be looking down the barrel of their gun. This would be hard to do for joes because not all of them have armor to and, as we can see in the pictue of the duke figure, ***not all of these figures are going to have belts and sashes to cover up their crappy proportions. they just don't look like joes to me. but im sure i will be buying one or two.

[Ccav]

from Hasbro's own website

 

 

to celebrate twenty-five years of G.I.Joe vs. Cobra.

 

doesnt say "A real American Hero"

obviously vendor's dropping the 3-3/4 joes all across was not a sign to you

that the old-ish styled figures from twenty years ago no longer envoke kids to buy them.

They need something different, somthing not so OLD.

You know.... somthing.. NEW, different, catching to the eye, not a mindless amount of

the same Oring shaped figures that have been on the pegs for twenty years.

Hmmm now that i think about it, do you think this MIGHT have somthing to do with

the lack of interest from Stores?... hmmmmm?

 

even if i do say so, looking at the G.I.joe section is like looking at the portrait of Elizabeth Taylor.. makes my eyes want to close, shrivel up and die!

so i say off with the OLD, and in with the new... even if its fubar, its better then the one millionth reissue of another RAH figure for the tenth time!

not that there is anything wrong with RAH, i love my small stast of original figures..

 

 

but for God Sake's man.. LET .... IT GO!

instead of bashing its newer self, say some nice words, lay it down, and speak unto thine Heart

and wish it R.I.P.

[Viper Hunter]

@hmmm@

 

 

where's a good "antivermin" removal tool when ya need one?

[Doom Saber]

from Hasbro's own website

 

 

to celebrate twenty-five years of G.I.Joe vs. Cobra.

 

doesnt say "A real American Hero"

obviously vendor's dropping the 3-3/4 joes all across was not a sign to you

that the old-ish styled figures from twenty years ago no longer envoke kids to buy them.

They need something different, somthing not so OLD.

You know.... somthing.. NEW, different, catching to the eye, not a mindless amount of

the same Oring shaped figures that have been on the pegs for twenty years.

Hmmm now that i think about it, do you think this MIGHT have somthing to do with

the lack of interest from Stores?... hmmmmm?

 

even if i do say so, looking at the G.I.joe section is like looking at the portrait of Elizabeth Taylor.. makes my eyes want to close, shrivel up and die!

so i say off with the OLD, and in with the new... even if its fubar, its better then the one millionth reissue of another RAH figure for the tenth time!

not that there is anything wrong with RAH, i love my small stast of original figures..

 

 

but for God Sake's man.. LET .... IT GO!

instead of bashing its newer self, say some nice words, lay it down, and speak unto thine Heart

and wish it R.I.P.

 

I agree with you. I remember when the hm4 sculpted MOTU line was new and a few fans complained that the scupt isn't as good as the original and wanted the new toys to look like that. I don't know about you guys, but if MOTU 2003 was still around and the designs chaned to their 25 year old predcessor, I would stop collecting the line.