How are fans liking the 2.5" Joes?

[Tazzzman]

I have to admit, I just got the firebat and it was a little fun putting it together. I am still not sold on the dragon hawk though, I am not sure how much of a pain it is going to be to convert it to 3/3/4 and I would rather spend 10.00 (like I did on jet) then 30-40 on the dragon hawk and start cutting things out etc.

[Bar]

I have to admit, I just got the firebat and it was a little fun putting it together. I am still not sold on the dragon hawk though, I am not sure how much of a pain it is going to be to convert it to 3/3/4 and I would rather spend 10.00 (like I did on jet) then 30-40 on the dragon hawk and start cutting things out etc.

 

Actually, i would say go for it.

If you want the main shape to stay the same, but only want to alter the cockpit, you only need to remove two or three screws, before you are able to pull out the seat unit.

I stripped a Dragonhawk apart for modification(I didn't like those large missile launchers underneath the main fans):

If all you want is to re-do the cockpit, you just need that part out, and either:

A, Alter that by removing the little seat units, and retrofitting somthing larger, or:

B, Completely remove the seat/cockpit unit, and scratching something else.

There is a hell of a lot of room in there, and in my honest opinion, there's still enough room for two 3 3/4 figures in there.

The seat unit is a totally seperate piece, in any case:

I re-detailed mine, because i don't like applying stickers when i could just make more detail there myself:

I am currently having a friend of mine cast the entire unit in clear resin, so i can back-light the displays and buttons.

Don't be put of by these things.

They're just plastic toys held together by screws.

You can always do somthing with them(And isn't that a greater challenge?).

Bar.

[LoneRaver]

Ones again Hasbro has a good idea but horrible execution!

 

I like the concept but like most, i like the vehicles but HATE the figures.

I really like what Hasbro is doing with the small Starwars Battle packs. If they could do the same with the Joes i would army build those MOFO's like there's no tomorrow.

 

 

Imagine if they made small Joes with the kind of detail that the StarWars have. But instead of only doing Sigma6 they also did HAR packs and HAR vehicles. I would bet anything that those WOULD sell.

[Toiletmonkey1]

THERE CRAP!

 

that is all

 

TM

 

Where crap?

 

 

@smilepunch@

 

 

THEY'RE crap.......sorry, I'm a teacher. I couldn't resist.

 

 

D'oh i knew i should of studied harder! and stayed in school and away from drugs and loose women!

 

on second thought.......maybe not?

 

TM

 

[Viper Hunter]

DEH'S CRAP....I TELLS YA!

 

CRAP IN ZEE CRAP!!

 

 

@smilepunch@

[MaxPower]

Where the hell have you been?

Uh, I mean, Welcome back.

 

 

and there not that big of crap!!!!

 

The vehicles are very sturdy and have a lot of playing potential for kids and 'hands on' adults.

[DPrime]

VH you're back! Sweet...

 

All this talk of converting the vehicles (which are pretty cool, design-wise) got me thinking... I'd like to see some Chinese bootleg toymaker get a hold of the molds. There are some upsized Transformer molds people have done which are pretty cool - it'd be cool if they could upsize these to 3 3/4" scale.

[Rama Sha]

I like the vehicles (except the Dragon Hawk...that thing was kinda a let down.) but the figures are the suck. You can't do anything with them. I mean some of the ones that come with the vehicles can sit in them, but most of the figures are preposed statues that as just about as much fun in the package as they are out of the package.

[Rolling Thunder]

No fun factor to them. They're just kinda there.

[A_Spidey_Fan]

I don't own any Sigma 6 toys, but judging from what I've seen, like most people here, I like the vehciles, but some of the little figures I'm not that impressed with. I do wish they had stuck with the 3"-4" scale figures for the vehcile line instead of the 2.5" scale, just so that we could have some backward compatiability with the older G.I. Joe toylines. Still, some of the 2.5" scale figures aren't too bad, but others are. The 2.5" Destro(The one that comes with a Mech Suit) is probably the best I've seen in person, as well as maybe the Gulider Duke V.S. Bat 2 pack. Love the 8" scale figures now, eventhough I wasn't entirely a huge fan of them 1st. But once I saw pictures and read reviews on how the 8" figures have all these accessories and that you get more bang on your money, not to mention the articulation is what made me love the 8" line.

[Viper Hunter]

They're definitely a collector minded line, with little "play" factor involved.

 

All static posed and ready for DISPLAY.

 

I'm not into the micro aspect of anything, so the 2.5" Joes are as dead to me (attention grabbing-wise) as the Extreme line was in all it's 4" static posed glory.

 

3 3/4" Joes just seemed to be the ultimate "happy-medium" scale, that allowed for a ton of cool accessories, vehicles and such, in an affordable price range (compared to even the 12" line) while STILL highly articulated (playable )

 

Of course, there will be disagreement on my summation on all of this, and that's totally understandable and expected, but I can't speak for anybody but MYSELF, and that's just how I feel about the line in question.

 

They LOOK cool, in their own little mini-Joe way, but I'm just not very interested in them.

[jedimaster-c]

Why Hasbro?Why did did you go with 2.5" figures?I love the vehicls too.I was tempted to but the DragonHawk on layaway but I didn't.Hasbro really squandered a real opportunity to make some very nice figures 3 3/4 scale.The guy who thought up the 2.5 inch fig..er I mean satutes for this line should have gotten fired.

[DPrime]

They're definitely a collector minded line, with little "play" factor involved.

 

All static posed and ready for DISPLAY.

 

 

That's an interesting concept, because it shows that SOMEONE in Hasbro who's in charge of the GI Joe line is not at all in synch with the collecting community (I don't want to say all, because there does seem to have been some attempts).

 

You're right, VH - it is a collector minded line. So wouldn't have this done a whole lot better if it was a micro RAH line? I'm not saying you would buy it, VH, but I bet a whole lot of us would. I would be hard pressed not to, if the VAMP was of the same design as the early 80s variants and all the figures were designed like they looked in the old cartoon and comic.

[pesatyel]

I think because the static-posed Star Wars figures went over so well (I'm guessing since I don't collect Star Wars but I know there are a lot more Star Wars collectors than Joe collectors), they thought the 2" Joes might also.

[LoneRaver]

I think because the static-posed Star Wars figures went over so well (I'm guessing since I don't collect Star Wars but I know there are a lot more Star Wars collectors than Joe collectors), they thought the 2" Joes might also.

 

 

The problem is that the 2'' Joe line isn't as high quality as the StarWars line, IMO. So i'm not to sure how well it will do.

[Viper Hunter]

They're definitely a collector minded line, with little "play" factor involved.

 

All static posed and ready for DISPLAY.

 

 

That's an interesting concept, because it shows that SOMEONE in Hasbro who's in charge of the GI Joe line is not at all in synch with the collecting community (I don't want to say all, because there does seem to have been some attempts).

 

You're right, VH - it is a collector minded line. So wouldn't have this done a whole lot better if it was a micro RAH line? I'm not saying you would buy it, VH, but I bet a whole lot of us would. I would be hard pressed not to, if the VAMP was of the same design as the early 80s variants and all the figures were designed like they looked in the old cartoon and comic.

 

 

Such lapses in "connecting to the collecting community" are pretty common it seems. There's an effort (by Hasbro) to kill two birds with one stone, by keeping the old collectors interested and STILL collecting (anything with the name G.I.JOE associated with it...they assume) and grabbing the attention of the youth or NEW collectors.

 

Understandable goal of course, but they seem to misfire on most attempts and alienate one group over the other.

 

A micro RAH line would interest the old collectors, but how much of it would sell to the 5 and over market?

 

They assume the old collectors are locked in, and will support any drastic changes to the line, out of loyalty and prior developed interest in the toy line and it's back-story (which is likely going to be the case, as there is only just a few of us who enjoyed the toys themselves over the storyline in the comics or cartoons they centered around) and they also preach to us about the lack of enough support (they need) by marketing towards the old fans as opposed to reaching a NEW fan base in the up and coming generation of Joe fans.

 

Seems nether is working well enough, depending on who you chat with.

 

They hardly gave the new S6 line much time to generate new fans, before rolling out the mini-micro versions of them, which (IMO) requires a fair amount of following to support such a line, as I find them boring versions of their larger counterparts and are more like novelty items, and just how "novel" is Sigma Six already for Hasbro to have gone that route so soon? @hmmm@

 

G.I.Joe is a classic toyline, that should be like a staple in the action figure industry, but too many new marketing agents are trying to keep it "cutting edge" or something, and getting cute with it, and whether it's working (or not) can still be debated I guess?

 

I like 12" and 3 3/4" G.I.Joe action figures and even some similar (CORPS, WPK's BBI etc..)OTHER brand name action figures that I can marry in with them, for a huge collection of THESE types of military themed action figures.

 

The S6 line and the micro versions of them, don't "marry in" very well with my collection thus far.

 

It's all about the toys for me man.....not the name brand or characters.

[MaxPower]

Sigma SIx is NOT a collector's line.... that the farthest from the truth.

 

It is so aimed at kids that its not even funny.

 

Fist the 2.5'' vehicles have incredible play value.

The figures come second in that line, so maybe those are just little statues......... BUT thats why there is a 8'' line for figures.

 

A kid plays with the 8'' figures and then when its time to go into vehicles they bust out the 2.5'' line, then once its time to duke it out they switch to 8'' line....

 

Well thats how I see it.

[Bar]

Sigma SIx is NOT a collector's line.... that the farthest from the truth.

 

It is so aimed at kids that its not even funny.

 

Fist the 2.5'' vehicles have incredible play value.

The figures come second in that line, so maybe those are just little statues......... BUT thats why there is a 8'' line for figures.

 

A kid plays with the 8'' figures and then when its time to go into vehicles they bust out the 2.5'' line, then once its time to duke it out they switch to 8'' line....

 

Well thats how I see it.

That makes sense to me.

All of it.

Kudos.

Bar.

[Stevy Maximus]

Sigma SIx is NOT a collector's line.... that the farthest from the truth.

 

It is so aimed at kids that its not even funny.

 

Fist the 2.5'' vehicles have incredible play value.

The figures come second in that line, so maybe those are just little statues......... BUT thats why there is a 8'' line for figures.

 

A kid plays with the 8'' figures and then when its time to go into vehicles they bust out the 2.5'' line, then once its time to duke it out they switch to 8'' line....

 

Well thats how I see it.

I agree, I can EASILY see the play pattern at work here, heck, I myself used a similar pattern when I was playing with Star Wars figures long ago:

Use the basic figures for character actions, but because I couldn't afford the vehicles, I used Micro Machines to act out space battles.

 

Now, I DO think the "green army men approach" they took with 2.5 wasn't the best, not when super articulation is no longer a meaningful sell feature. I personally would have much preferred a line like Dino Riders or Mask with at least halfway decent figures, but I digress...

 

In so far as Viper Hunter's (o' lord he's BACK @smilepunch@ ) willingness to mix lines, I feel that was one of Joe's biggest issues at retail. When Joe was at retail, everyone and their mother made a copycat, be it Corps or PTE. At both pricepoints, Joe had competition from cheaper lines.

With Sigma Six, Hasbro made GI Joe a unique brand, and not just an army man brand (good or bad is subjective)

[JollyRoger]

i love the 2.5 inch scale saves room, and there is actually wuite alot of small scale lines you can integrate into the line.

the figures are suck..

 

but just remember its the vehicles that this line is about

and i think they rock.. for the most part.

[Snow_Serpent]

I've been somewhat tempted by the Firebat and possibly the now showing up HISS.

 

Other than maybe those, I'll pass on the 2.5" line.

[Viper Hunter]

Sigma SIx is NOT a collector's line.... that the farthest from the truth.

 

It is so aimed at kids that its not even funny.

 

Fist the 2.5'' vehicles have incredible play value.

The figures come second in that line, so maybe those are just little statues......... BUT thats why there is a 8'' line for figures.

 

A kid plays with the 8'' figures and then when its time to go into vehicles they bust out the 2.5'' line, then once its time to duke it out they switch to 8'' line....

 

Well thats how I see it.

 

 

That's certainly one way the "kids" can make the BEST of the two scales and attempt to combine the highly articulated 8" FIGURES with the scaled down (and now affordable) mini versions of the vehicles, but didn't the 3 3/4" scale give us BOTH?

 

Yeah, sure...a kid can get creative and blink his eyes between play actions to accomplish your scenario, and that's fine, but why??? When it shouldn't be necessary?

 

AS brought up already here....maybe the 2.5" scale gives COLLECTORS more room to store or display their collections?

[Ccav]

meh i have a few 2.5, but ive only found two other toys that are to scale.. otherwise 2.5 is teh suxxors!

 

3.75 - its a religion, obey or burn in off scale hell!

[TR1ER]

They look tight but I'm not really feeling them joints myself.