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I yanked the hair off warbird and tried to on X-23 but failed. X-23's glued into a valley so its not coming off without destroying the hair.

 

Heres comparison pics:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/sis.../x23warbird.jpg

 

In retrospect I'm betting Herc and THing look similiar because of Jack Kirby's artwork and are not necessarily made by the same sculpter.

Myth Busted!!! @loll@

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hes saying the head sculpt is the same or a slightly retooled one I think & of corse if you're just gona rip it off like that then yea it will look like crap :P Real customizers how ever know how to do it in a much better, more profesional looking way :D & wow you must be rich!! I'm with clam I can't belive you just wrecked an ml like that just to make a point or what not thats kinda funny :P

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hes saying the head sculpt is the same or a slightly retooled one I think & of corse if you're just gona rip it off like that then yea it will look like crap :P Real customizers how ever know how to do it in a much better, more profesional looking way :D & wow you must be rich!! I'm with clam I can't belive you just wrecked an ml like that just to make a point or what not thats kinda funny :P

I ripped scarlet witch's hair off about 5 minutes outta the package....no particular reason though, and it doesnt make the figure look any worse ;)

 

She's standing on my work table behind some stuff where she is barely seen, and has been since i plopped the hair back on.

 

 

On topic (sort of), Warbird and X23 do not have the same face. Most likely just a case of the same sculptor making both, causing some similarities. BUt X23 doesnt look anything like Meg Ryan, so that should settle things right there. :)

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K well since I only care about Emma and Banshee, here's my comments:

 

Bashee: Looks pretty sweet, and I'm sure he'll improve before the final release

 

Emma: I was really hoping for one of her original White Queen outfits. I really don't want her AXM. I love the costume, but I really wanted to be able to put her on my villains side in my collection.

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I yanked the hair off warbird and tried to on X-23 but failed. X-23's glued into a valley so its not coming off without destroying the hair.

 

Heres comparison pics:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/sis.../x23warbird.jpg

 

In retrospect I'm betting Herc and THing look similiar because of Jack Kirby's artwork and are not necessarily made by the same sculpter.

 

Wow you didn’t have break your figures to prove me wrong. I mean you just wasted like $20. Hopefully you can reattach it later, like with super glue or something. Anyway as petty as it sounds I will still not concede the point, and continue to insist that X-23 and Warbird have the same head sculpt. Note that in the picture you posted, it shows that Warbird’s head is made up of three different pieces, and that X-23’s head is made up of at least two pieces. The back head piece on Warbird doesn’t have ears, while the one on X-23 does. I also notice that their profiles are the same. Here are some of your pictures that I modified to better show the seams between the pieces on the figures heads, and their profiles. In the profile pictures I rotated X-23’s head so that it would be at a closer angle to Warbird.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...rbird-006-2.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...ead-compare.jpg

 

What still isn’t explained though is why X-23’s head look’s overall smaller than Warbird’s head. Hence I submit this evidence:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...3fixedsize6.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-006.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-of-.jpg

 

These are both blue background prototype pictures of X-23 and Warbird, taken by Toy Biz themselves. Notice how X-23’s chin isn’t at her chest, coving up her neck in the prototype, but is in the final figure. Therefore I think that the final retail X-23’s neck joint is too small and based on their profiles in your pictures; it looks like X-23’s head is also slightly under scaled when compared to Warbird. Now I’ll analyze the prototype pictures similarities. I recommend saving this picture, as it is hard to see the lines when not zoomed in.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-ana.jpg

 

Warbird’s head is a repaint of X-23’s head, with a different back head piece, that doesn’t have ears.

 

Then to nail the point home, I made these GIF images:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...044/X-23gif.gif

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-gif.gif

 

In the gif images I rotated the head on X-23 to better match the angle on Warbird. Notice how the features on their faces are in the same location. That’s because they have the same head sculpt. Just incase you want to see a comparison between the prototypes and the finals I made this picture too:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...nal-compare.jpg

 

Although the paint jobs are worse, the heads are otherwise the same as the prototypes.

 

I want to address the same sculptor theory one more time. Which of these scenarios is more likely to happen?

 

Scenario A: Toy Biz and or Hasbro hire a sculptor to make two completely different figures. The sculptor starts from scratch on both figures, but when they’re done the figures look like each others doppelgangers. Toy Biz and or Hasbro however are totally cool with this, release both figures anyway, and pay the sculptor their commission fees on both figures without any objection.

 

Scenario B: Toy Biz and or Hasbro want to make a figure of a new character, but they either don’t have enough money in their budget, or don’t think the character is popular enough to justify a new sculpt. Instead they take a sculpt of a figure already made, that they think looks close enough to the new character, repaint or change a few minor details about the figure, then release it and hope that people won’t care or notice, and buy it anyway.

 

On a side note I heard that the average commission a sculptor gets for sculpting a new figure is $20,000, although I would imagine that the price for sculpting just a head would be a bit cheaper. That’s just what I heard though, that number could be a lot higher or lower. Regardless, keep that information in mind while answering the question.

 

If answered Scenario B, you are correct. Although Scenario A is possible it is very unlikely, because a sculptor making the same sculpt for two different figures would either, catch themselves before they turn in the sculpts, or have legal action taken against them for turning in the same sculpt for two different projects, and the sculpts would never get released do to the court case.

 

Well that’s all I can think of to say on the subject. I’m tired of defending my observation about the figures, which I know to be true. I also think that I have submitted enough evidence, that other people can now make an accurate judgment on the situation and decide on their own who is right.

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You remind me of a guy I went to high school with who used to argue with people that alcohol was not a carcinogen. In spite of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, he would not admit he was wrong.

 

Your photoshop work is ridiculous. You may as well say that two figures have the same hand sculpt just because the both have five fingers on them. Of course there's going to be some similarities from time to time. Real people often have similar facial features, why wouldn't sculpted ones?

 

The guy who has been in charge of the line for the last few years flat out said that they don't retool parts because it's not cost effective. They only reuse body parts that require no alterations. What more do you need? The head sculps for each unique character are always new. If they were really that cheap and concerned with penny pinching, then every Hulk figure would have the same head, and every maskless Logan, and every Spidey. And yet...

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I yanked the hair off warbird and tried to on X-23 but failed. X-23's glued into a valley so its not coming off without destroying the hair.

 

Heres comparison pics:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/sis.../x23warbird.jpg

 

In retrospect I'm betting Herc and THing look similiar because of Jack Kirby's artwork and are not necessarily made by the same sculpter.

 

Wow you didn’t have break your figures to prove me wrong. I mean you just wasted like $20. Hopefully you can reattach it later, like with super glue or something. Anyway as petty as it sounds I will still not concede the point, and continue to insist that X-23 and Warbird have the same head sculpt. Note that in the picture you posted, it shows that Warbird’s head is made up of three different pieces, and that X-23’s head is made up of at least two pieces. The back head piece on Warbird doesn’t have ears, while the one on X-23 does. I also notice that their profiles are the same. Here are some of your pictures that I modified to better show the seams between the pieces on the figures heads, and their profiles. In the profile pictures I rotated X-23’s head so that it would be at a closer angle to Warbird.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...rbird-006-2.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...ead-compare.jpg

 

What still isn’t explained though is why X-23’s head look’s overall smaller than Warbird’s head. Hence I submit this evidence:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...3fixedsize6.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-006.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-of-.jpg

 

These are both blue background prototype pictures of X-23 and Warbird, taken by Toy Biz themselves. Notice how X-23’s chin isn’t at her chest, coving up her neck in the prototype, but is in the final figure. Therefore I think that the final retail X-23’s neck joint is too small and based on their profiles in your pictures; it looks like X-23’s head is also slightly under scaled when compared to Warbird. Now I’ll analyze the prototype pictures similarities. I recommend saving this picture, as it is hard to see the lines when not zoomed in.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-ana.jpg

 

Warbird’s head is a repaint of X-23’s head, with a different back head piece, that doesn’t have ears.

 

Then to nail the point home, I made these GIF images:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...044/X-23gif.gif

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-gif.gif

 

In the gif images I rotated the head on X-23 to better match the angle on Warbird. Notice how the features on their faces are in the same location. That’s because they have the same head sculpt. Just incase you want to see a comparison between the prototypes and the finals I made this picture too:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...nal-compare.jpg

 

Although the paint jobs are worse, the heads are otherwise the same as the prototypes.

 

I want to address the same sculptor theory one more time. Which of these scenarios is more likely to happen?

 

Scenario A: Toy Biz and or Hasbro hire a sculptor to make two completely different figures. The sculptor starts from scratch on both figures, but when they’re done the figures look like each others doppelgangers. Toy Biz and or Hasbro however are totally cool with this, release both figures anyway, and pay the sculptor their commission fees on both figures without any objection.

 

Scenario B: Toy Biz and or Hasbro want to make a figure of a new character, but they either don’t have enough money in their budget, or don’t think the character is popular enough to justify a new sculpt. Instead they take a sculpt of a figure already made, that they think looks close enough to the new character, repaint or change a few minor details about the figure, then release it and hope that people won’t care or notice, and buy it anyway.

 

On a side note I heard that the average commission a sculptor gets for sculpting a new figure is $20,000, although I would imagine that the price for sculpting just a head would be a bit cheaper. That’s just what I heard though, that number could be a lot higher or lower. Regardless, keep that information in mind while answering the question.

 

If answered Scenario B, you are correct. Although Scenario A is possible it is very unlikely, because a sculptor making the same sculpt for two different figures would either, catch themselves before they turn in the sculpts, or have legal action taken against them for turning in the same sculpt for two different projects, and the sculpts would never get released do to the court case.

 

Well that’s all I can think of to say on the subject. I’m tired of defending my observation about the figures, which I know to be true. I also think that I have submitted enough evidence, that other people can now make an accurate judgment on the situation and decide on their own who is right.

 

 

you know, I can't believe that you went through all this work to prove that they are the same figure.. I wonder how long it took you..

 

and I can't believe that I actually got up from my chair to go look at the two figures next to each other @lol@

 

 

You admitted that you don't even have Warbird! how can you compare them from pictures?

 

I just held them next to each other, and bottom line, they are not the same head sculpt bro.. sorry.

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Like Clam said, all you have to do it hold the two figures next to each other to prove they're not the same. There is no way on Earth Warbird and X-23 use the same head sculpt. It's plain as day.

 

Like Havok and Scorpion, in pics they look VERY similar, but in person the differenes are obvious.

 

I have to admit, the effort being put into both sides of this arguement is just... holy cow... unbelievable. I'm getting a real kick out of this. One of you has to be a lawyer.

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emma frost is one of my favorite female characters...no wait, she is my favorite female comic character... and i was extremely dissapointed in this figure becasue her face looks like a blow up doll

 

She is a EARLY prototype she will get better.

 

i most certainly hope so (i dont think the whole figure is bad just the head)

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I yanked the hair off warbird and tried to on X-23 but failed. X-23's glued into a valley so its not coming off without destroying the hair.

 

Heres comparison pics:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/sis.../x23warbird.jpg

 

In retrospect I'm betting Herc and THing look similiar because of Jack Kirby's artwork and are not necessarily made by the same sculpter.

 

Wow you didn’t have break your figures to prove me wrong. I mean you just wasted like $20. Hopefully you can reattach it later, like with super glue or something. Anyway as petty as it sounds I will still not concede the point, and continue to insist that X-23 and Warbird have the same head sculpt. Note that in the picture you posted, it shows that Warbird’s head is made up of three different pieces, and that X-23’s head is made up of at least two pieces. The back head piece on Warbird doesn’t have ears, while the one on X-23 does. I also notice that their profiles are the same. Here are some of your pictures that I modified to better show the seams between the pieces on the figures heads, and their profiles. In the profile pictures I rotated X-23’s head so that it would be at a closer angle to Warbird.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...rbird-006-2.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...ead-compare.jpg

 

What still isn’t explained though is why X-23’s head look’s overall smaller than Warbird’s head. Hence I submit this evidence:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...3fixedsize6.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-006.jpg

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-of-.jpg

 

These are both blue background prototype pictures of X-23 and Warbird, taken by Toy Biz themselves. Notice how X-23’s chin isn’t at her chest, coving up her neck in the prototype, but is in the final figure. Therefore I think that the final retail X-23’s neck joint is too small and based on their profiles in your pictures; it looks like X-23’s head is also slightly under scaled when compared to Warbird. Now I’ll analyze the prototype pictures similarities. I recommend saving this picture, as it is hard to see the lines when not zoomed in.

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-ana.jpg

 

Warbird’s head is a repaint of X-23’s head, with a different back head piece, that doesn’t have ears.

 

Then to nail the point home, I made these GIF images:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...044/X-23gif.gif

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-gif.gif

 

In the gif images I rotated the head on X-23 to better match the angle on Warbird. Notice how the features on their faces are in the same location. That’s because they have the same head sculpt. Just incase you want to see a comparison between the prototypes and the finals I made this picture too:

 

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...nal-compare.jpg

 

Although the paint jobs are worse, the heads are otherwise the same as the prototypes.

 

I want to address the same sculptor theory one more time. Which of these scenarios is more likely to happen?

 

Scenario A: Toy Biz and or Hasbro hire a sculptor to make two completely different figures. The sculptor starts from scratch on both figures, but when they’re done the figures look like each others doppelgangers. Toy Biz and or Hasbro however are totally cool with this, release both figures anyway, and pay the sculptor their commission fees on both figures without any objection.

 

Scenario B: Toy Biz and or Hasbro want to make a figure of a new character, but they either don’t have enough money in their budget, or don’t think the character is popular enough to justify a new sculpt. Instead they take a sculpt of a figure already made, that they think looks close enough to the new character, repaint or change a few minor details about the figure, then release it and hope that people won’t care or notice, and buy it anyway.

 

On a side note I heard that the average commission a sculptor gets for sculpting a new figure is $20,000, although I would imagine that the price for sculpting just a head would be a bit cheaper. That’s just what I heard though, that number could be a lot higher or lower. Regardless, keep that information in mind while answering the question.

 

If answered Scenario B, you are correct. Although Scenario A is possible it is very unlikely, because a sculptor making the same sculpt for two different figures would either, catch themselves before they turn in the sculpts, or have legal action taken against them for turning in the same sculpt for two different projects, and the sculpts would never get released do to the court case.

 

Well that’s all I can think of to say on the subject. I’m tired of defending my observation about the figures, which I know to be true. I also think that I have submitted enough evidence, that other people can now make an accurate judgment on the situation and decide on their own who is right.

 

Could you waste anyMORE time? All that time wasted and nothing was proven anyways. Their jaw looks nothing a like, their noses look nothing alike and neither do their lips. And your last comment ("which I know to be true") almost makes you come across as a joke poster (or just ignorant) especially since you've got half this board, and one of the higher ups at Toybiz, telling you that theres NO similarity, all of whom have both the figures. Oh and of course the higher up knows nothing he just worked with the figures, right? Or is he lying to cover their tracks? @loll@

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Damn I like that Emma Frost a lot and will replace the MS one I have in my X-men line. The banshee though I hope they fix the face cause he looks like he got kicked in the junk. The Beast and Ultimate Iron man would be something I would pass, but I want to build that Annihilus figure really bad. The Hercules is so bad ass from the neck down, but once again the face has be be redone. Man I don't want Marvel Legends smiling at me like some car salesman

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Heres the pics with an outline now and the real seems drawn in. As well as multiple comparison outlines. THe pics you used were early protypes and mockups from TOyfare and Toybiz the final figures look nothing like those.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/sisco777/x23war2.jpg

 

Thats 10 minutes off my life wasted lol.

 

Anyway don't worry about Warbird, I've taken the hair off many a female fig customizing. I had just removed it from ROuge for a custom so I new it wouldn't hurt warbird. It took all of 3 seconds to replace. There was no damage done to the hair what you see left on the head in the pics is glue residue. Her hair has been glued back on with superglue and now fits better and stronger than it did at the factory. Shes now mre perfect than she was.

 

 

Now back on topic. Banshee's cape looks like its attached in the seem between the front and back pieces of his chest. It this works well on Banshee they need to apply it to a Spider-man figure so the armpit webing actually goes under the armpit and not around the back. That bugged me to no end on the first appearance Spider-man.

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Wait?.. Someone here posting actaully works for toybiz?.. Or am I missing something here... If so who is it ? :P &I think opticon pretty much summed this up, its pretty much most likely just the same sculpter working on it if anything :P or they simply took the head from one figure and retooled it slightly ... either way it does not matter...

 

Half of the ML is used body parts anyways so why make abig deal out of it to start with is what I don't get ?:D

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and guys as for emma if you read AXM you know she is still actaully a part of the hellfire club and may well still be evil :P So no worries eh ? :) Personaly I'd have to see pictures of all her "differnt" outfits to even be able to tell any difference... All her outfits IMO are rather stupid and are either less skin showing or more skin showing :D

 

Does she not get cold in outfits like that ? :D have they ever explained that in the comics lol!? :P beast runs around half naked all the time but at least he is covered in fur :P

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Like a lot of us are saying these are prototypes. Look at Beast's face. It looks nothing like the actor and since the movie was rushed from start to finish, it is possible for TB to start with the toys by lookin at the concept art; maybe they didn't have an actor to play beast at the time of the sculpt.

 

I am sure the final figure will look like Mr. Grammar

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I for one am relieved. ML lives! I really want an Emma and Annihalaus. That means I will be buying all of them. Banshee I could live without but I'm sure he will be fine. Hercules I knew was coming but I am glad to have confirmed. Hopefully he's got his classic gold skirt look.

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Good grief, Robocop that has to be the most useless waist of time of a post I have ever seen. Give it up, they are not the same head! If you actually own them, you can see a difference.

Draven

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Not to contribute more to the uselessness of the x-23/warbird comparisson, but look:

http://www.marvellegends.net/pages/faces/X23.htm

http://marvellegends.net/pages/faces/MsMarvel.htm

 

OMG, both sculpted by Dave Cortez!

 

Not the same face, barely even close...just similarities because of the guy who sculpted them. Now everyone find some others to compare that look nothin alike :D

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Personaly I'd have to see pictures of all [Emma's] "differnt" outfits to even be able to tell any difference... All her outfits IMO are rather stupid and are either less skin showing or more skin showing
Heh, just for the heck of it...

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showqu...dAuto=69&page=9

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Personaly I'd have to see pictures of all [Emma's] "differnt" outfits to even be able to tell any difference... All her outfits IMO are rather stupid and are either less skin showing or more skin showing
Heh, just for the heck of it...

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showqu...dAuto=69&page=9

 

I like #5 the best. I just prefer stylish to slutty. Glad the figure is pretty much that version.

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I like costume #1, not because of what you think, I like it because that's the one I remember her from as a kid. I remember having a trading card that came with the old x-men toys and that's the one she wore in the 80's x-men cartoon pryde of the x-men.

 

Still I don't think that one'll ever get made, and I'm fine with it because I realize wal-mart would never carry it.

 

Also I like her hair more like her later appearances where it's more silver/white than blonde. Both work fine for me, but if they were to do a chase, it'd be nice to have the other hair color on a different maybe angrier head sculpt (because she does get angry).

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