RED HOOD

[nov316]

So what did you guys think of Jason Todd/Red Hood the villian??

 

I liked him. Almost like a evil Batman.

 

So do you think he died from the batarang to the neck?

 

So you think he will come back?

 

Do you want him back?

 

lets hear your opinions!

[Blackmada]

This could be a SPOILER!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Jason Todd is Nightwing in the One Year Later stuff. On the cover of Nightwing you can see NW's had holding a knife. The same knife Jason Todd was using as Red Hood.

[Animalchandler]

I hated the fact they bought him back. Batman learnt so much about the Joker, and himself when it happened.

Although its a thing in comics to bring back dead characters, or retcon them back into exisistence, I'm against it.

The death of Jason Todd story was brilliant I thought, and really highlighted the struggle between Bats and the Joker, and showed how much the Joker was prepared to go. Having Todd come back to life made the story a little redundant I thought.

[Degato]

I don't know much about JT becoming Nightwing in the OYL but, I DO know that the latest issue of Detective comis (#817, written by James Robinson) was brilliant. It's amazing to have Robinson back! And after his run who do we get? None other than Grant Morrison!

[Modefan]

I think he will be dressing up like nightwing. it you look at the previews it mentions about 2 nightwings being around and dick is leading the outsiders, its strange that on the nightwing prviews none of them show his face, just his back so it is a possibility he might be roaming around dressed like him. especially since he thought nightwing was in bludhaven when the chemo character fell and to the world now the outsiders are dead so maybe todd is trying to fill dicks shoes

[OmegaHarbinger]

This could be a SPOILER!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Jason Todd is Nightwing in the One Year Later stuff. On the cover of Nightwing you can see NW's had holding a knife. The same knife Jason Todd was using as Red Hood.

 

I arrived at the same conclusion but surprisingly that's not Jason holding the knife. There's an interview with Joan Hilty at Newsarama in which they ask "More specifically, we’ve been promised a new Nightwing in the solo series, and more recently, two Nightwings, including one who is a “murderous madman”. Can we now assume the Nightwing that stars in Outsiders come March is still Dick Grayson?

 

JH: Yeah, people have been reading all kinds of bizarre things into our first cover, so I’ll put it to rest. That Nightwing is Dick Grayson. It’s not Jason Todd or Huntress in a fat suit or anyone else. It’s Dick. The Outsiders Nightwing is the real deal. What’s different about him is that he’s found a new way to lead the team.

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I *still* firmly believe that Jason Todd will be dressed as one of the 2 Nightwings but it's definitely not him holding the bloody knife on the cover to issue 118.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[SentinelPrime]

One of the new Nightwings is a female inside the bottle of Kandor with Power Girl. Or maybe it is Pwoer Girls' new name; either way, she's taking the old Kryptonian name and fighting crime in the bottle city, so that clears that up.

[OmegaHarbinger]

One of the new Nightwings is a female inside the bottle of Kandor with Power Girl. Or maybe it is Pwoer Girls' new name; either way, she's taking the old Kryptonian name and fighting crime in the bottle city, so that clears that up.

 

Actually, that's not true. The reference to 2 Nightwings is specifically taken from solicitations for Bruce Jones' plot. The Nightwing & Flamebird situation occuring in Supergirl is completely separate.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[JayCueBatman]

SPOLIERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read Batman Annual #25 today and it gave the secrets of Jason's return....the whole Superman/boy pounding on the time continum was alittle far fetched and then we get a Buffy The Vampire Slayer resurrection of Jason Todd...the whole Ra's and Talia being part of Jason's rebirth was awesome...and how it was Talia that set up Hush and JT very good read i suggest you pick it up!

[Batman27]

I read the annual as well and liked it. I don't think Jason Todd's return takes anything away from his death and everything that transpired from Bats and Joker. The fact still remains that he killed him. If you killed someone and went to jail for it. Then the person is brought back to life somehow you'd still be in jail.

[Animalchandler]

Thats true, but then Jason Todd was killed for dramatic effect, afterall, it is a story, and I feel that drama is lost if he is bought back. Those who read the killing joke now, after knowing that JT returns, will not have the same experience as those who thought that he was absolutely dead.

I just don't like the idea of bringing characters back to life after they have been proven to have died. It sometimes seems that characters are brought back just for shock tactics, or lack of a better story. Being able to bring people back from the dead takes away the importance of death in a superhero's life. Afterall, Batman donned the mask and cape because of the death of his parents, and yet we don't see them turning up a few issues down the line - and we wouldn't want that to happen, as even though Gotham desperately needed a hero, the impact that Bruce's parents' death had on us as the reader would not be as dramatic knowing that they still lived.

 

I think someone taking the mantle of the hero is cool - Tim Drake for example, what I disagree with is the way people can be seen to die, and then come back to life.

[SentinelPrime]

I'm torn; on one hand I don't want them messing with ditf, I hold that story in very high regards.

 

On the other hand, Jason Todd could suddenly become a verrrrry interesting character.

 

I guess my main problem lies in this "Superboy breaking the paradise barrier causing reality-waves caused Jason to get killed in the first place and then everything reverted 2 days later" BS. That's pretty weak imo. I guess now they can just write off tons of garbage that happened in the 90s by saying it happened because SBP was punching reality or whatever, but that's just too super-friends and a cop-out for my tastes.

 

I agree with DC wanting to change their universe for the better, make it more hopeful, less dark, but it just seems to me they could have accomplished it through storytelling and character development instead of just a magical universe switch. Alot of crappy things happened in the 90s, but some important character developments aslo happened.

[OmegaHarbinger]

Thats true, but then Jason Todd was killed for dramatic effect, afterall, it is a story, and I feel that drama is lost if he is bought back. Those who read the killing joke now, after knowing that JT returns, will not have the same experience as those who thought that he was absolutely dead.

 

Jason Todd was killed in "A Death in The Family". Batman: The Killing Joke is famous for paralyzing Barbara Gordon.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[SentinelPrime]

If they get rid of Drake, then I'll forgive them of anything else.

 

God I hate that punk. Robin. Pshhh. Whatever. He's not even Batman's partner; he's off skateboarding at some boy's school in another city, right?

 

He blackmailed his way into being Robin, but always says he'll quit aomeday.

 

I hope that's sometime during 52.

[Animalchandler]

Thats true, but then Jason Todd was killed for dramatic effect, afterall, it is a story, and I feel that drama is lost if he is bought back. Those who read the killing joke now, after knowing that JT returns, will not have the same experience as those who thought that he was absolutely dead.

 

Jason Todd was killed in "A Death in The Family". Batman: The Killing Joke is famous for paralyzing Barbara Gordon.

 

OmegaHarbinger

 

My mistake. But you get my point.

[OmegaHarbinger]

If they get rid of Drake, then I'll forgive them of anything else.

 

God I hate that punk. Robin. Pshhh. Whatever. He's not even Batman's partner; he's off skateboarding at some boy's school in another city, right?

 

He blackmailed his way into being Robin, but always says he'll quit aomeday.

 

I hope that's sometime during 52.

 

In a recent interview with Peter Tomasi, Newsarama pointed out "Robin is mentioned as a prominent player in the solicitation of Batman #651. Can you provide any advance insight into the state of their partnership/relationship when things pick up in March, and as with last question, are you able to say whether or not Tim Drake is still Robin?"

 

He replied "First off, yes, Tim will still be Robin. The way I'm approaching Batman and Detective is straightforward and simple: Tell great Batman solo stories and tell great Batman and Robin stories. There's so much inherent drama in the character of Batman when played both ways, I felt like there was no reason to keep him a loner 100% of the time, when a great character like Robin exists to play off of and delve into also."

 

So it sounds like the upcoming Detective Comics story arc written by Paul Dini and drawn by Rags Morales will focus on Batman frequently teaming up with Robin.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[Cloud]

I dont really have problem with Jason Todd being back, but I don't really like the way they bring him back to life "restoring things to the way they were meant to be". It's just too weak and lame. And the way they'r writting Todd to be a anti-hero or so but then explaining he's just angry that Batman didnt advange his death........

I dont mind seeing him back to life but the way DC is writting , i wish he never did came back.

 

I'm not sure which came first but I assume that DC got the idea of bring back Jason Todd after they saw how fans got shocked seeing Jason Todd might be Hush(actually Clayface) and decided to bring him back to life and tie it with IC. Same mistake they did with Hush, they expand it too far and messed up.

[Doom Saber]

I dont really have problem with Jason Todd being back, but I don't really like the way they bring him back to life "restoring things to the way they were meant to be". It's just too weak and lame. And the way they'r writting Todd to be a anti-hero or so but then explaining he's just angry that Batman didnt advange his death........

I dont mind seeing him back to life but the way DC is writting , i wish he never did came back.

 

I'm not sure which came first but I assume that DC got the idea of bring back Jason Todd after they saw how fans got shocked seeing Jason Todd might be Hush(actually Clayface) and decided to bring him back to life and tie it with IC. Same mistake they did with Hush, they expand it too far and messed up.

 

Whatever happend to Hush and is Gothem Knights part of the main universe?

[OmegaHarbinger]

 

Whatever happend to Hush and is Gothem Knights part of the main universe?

 

I haven't read the final issues of Batman: Gotham Knights yet but this series is definitely part of the standard DC Universe continuity. Issues 56-58 serve as proof because they were chapters of "War Games" which was a crossover that involved all of the ongoing Batman related titles available at the time.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[Cloud]

I dont really have problem with Jason Todd being back, but I don't really like the way they bring him back to life "restoring things to the way they were meant to be". It's just too weak and lame. And the way they'r writting Todd to be a anti-hero or so but then explaining he's just angry that Batman didnt advange his death........

I dont mind seeing him back to life but the way DC is writting , i wish he never did came back.

 

I'm not sure which came first but I assume that DC got the idea of bring back Jason Todd after they saw how fans got shocked seeing Jason Todd might be Hush(actually Clayface) and decided to bring him back to life and tie it with IC. Same mistake they did with Hush, they expand it too far and messed up.

 

Whatever happend to Hush and is Gothem Knights part of the main universe?

 

Nothing much happened to Hush. During the Hush story arc, we were told that Hush is Tommy Elliot but i think in the Retunr of Hush arc, Hush was somebody else. Hush was a villian than i enjoyed reading and DC used the Hush idea too much. They had the Return of Hush story almost rite after Batman:Hush ended.

And the made a rip off villian called Ruin in the Superman comics.

I might wrong coz i didnt read Return of Hush or the Ruin story but these are my thoughts when i heard about Ruin and return of Hush

[OmegaHarbinger]

Nothing much happened to Hush. During the Hush story arc, we were told that Hush is Tommy Elliot but i think in the Retunr of Hush arc, Hush was somebody else. Hush was a villian than i enjoyed reading and DC used the Hush idea too much. They had the Return of Hush story almost rite after Batman:Hush ended.

And the made a rip off villian called Ruin in the Superman comics.

I might wrong coz i didnt read Return of Hush or the Ruin story but these are my thoughts when i heard about Ruin and return of Hush

 

The return of Hush definitely didn't happen immediately after Batman #619 was published. I believe the initial plan was that Jim Lee would eventually launch a new Batman and Robin ongoing series set in standard DC Universe continuity with the first six issues continuing the Hush saga.

 

This approach was put on hold when Jim Lee decided to draw Superman for a full year instead. Since DC didn't want Hush to disappear for so long, they decided to let another creative team handle his return in Gotham Knights. Since he was so prominent in that title, it caused Jim Lee to lose most of the enthusiasm he had for drawing a second Hush Saga.

 

I haven't read any Ruin material yet either aside from his bio in Superman Secret Files and Origins 2005 but it doesn't sound as though his revealed identity is meant to be permanent. There is a similarity as things currently stand between him and Hush but Hush is technically just as much of a rip off. Years prior to his first appearance, a childhood friend and rival of Clark Kent named Kenny Braverman became the villain Conduit. It's almost guaranteed that Conduit was the inspiration for Hush who in turn lead to the idea at least that Pete Ross might be Ruin.

 

OmegaHarbinger

[synch]

Hes killing badguys because he thinks they should be killed now, hes pissed off at batman because batman did NOT kill the joker after his death

 

I really don't think they have changed much of anything really...

[JayCueBatman]

Now he wants to be Nightwing

[SentinelPrime]

Sigh.

[synch]

he should really want to be batman if anything lol now that could royaly screw up batman too