Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith

[JayC]

Yoda quit because he realized how pointless the fight was.....even if he won and killed Palpatine he would be playing into his hands and "proving" that Jedi were really trying to take over the government. Palpatine had the devotion of the people and his death would have really started a Jedi witch hunt.

 

Then why did he go to Palpatines office to begin with??

[Don of the Dead]

Did they mention Quin Lon Vos in the movie at all?

Yes, after Anakin misses a meeting Obi-Wan updates him on a battle that had gone well and Master Vos had moved his troops on to Boz Pitty (or something like that)

[zito]

hmmm...let's see. i loved it. and for all of you whining about vader's so called tantrum at the end...what would you have done if you had gone against all you believed to be just and holy in life in order to save the one thing you loved above all else, just to see that one thing die...and believing you killed it on top of that. i think he handled it pretty well with the "no!"...i would have cut palpatine in half and then fallen to the ground convulsing in sobs...but i guess some of you have never had the pleasure of being in love... @smilepunch@

 

zito

[Matthew Green]

It left alot of questions but NO answers...

 

Who ordered the clone army? Who was Syfo-dias?

 

In AOTC Obi-wan holds Dooku's lightening at bay with his lightsaber and yet Dooku is fine. Windu holds the Emperor's at bay and it deforms the Emperor...WHAT?

 

Anakin's motive wasn't as strong to convert to the Darkside. He says "what have I done?" when accidently killing Windu...1 minute later he is bowing down to the Emperor...TOO QUICK! He didn't even have time to THINK about what he'd done.

 

Who erased the jedi archives from AOTC?

 

We can all ASSUME it's Palpatine but it is not EVER touched upon.

[JayC]

It left alot of questions but NO answers...

 

Who ordered the clone army? Who was Syfo-dias?

 

In AOTC Obi-wan holds Dooku's lightening at bay with his lightsaber and yet Dooku is fine. Windu holds the Emperor's at bay and it deforms the Emperor...WHAT?

 

Anakin's motive wasn't as strong to convert to the Darkside. He says "what have I done?" when accidently killing Windu...1 minute later he is bowing down to the Emperor...TOO QUICK! He didn't even have time to THINK about what he'd done.

 

Who erased the jedi archives from AOTC?

 

We can all ASSUME it's Palpatine but it is not EVER touched upon.

Who ordered the clone army?  Who was Syfo-dias?

 

I believe this was actually Dooku.

 

 

In AOTC Obi-wan holds Dooku's lightening at bay with his lightsaber and yet Dooku is fine.  Windu holds the Emperor's at bay and it deforms the Emperor...WHAT?

 

Palpatine was on the ground, the angle was different from when Obi did it with Dooku.

 

 

Who erased the jedi archives from AOTC?

 

again I believe this would have been Dooku.

 

 

Anakin's motive wasn't as strong to convert to the Darkside.  He says "what have I done?" when accidently killing Windu...1 minute later he is bowing down to the Emperor...TOO QUICK!  He didn't even have time to THINK about what he'd done.

 

I agree Hayden didnt do a very good job with this scene but I think he knew what he was doing all along. He wanted something only Palpatine could give him and he wasnt gonna let anyone stop him from getting that.

[Rattrrap Primal]

In the novelization, Yoda realized that his Jedi training was too rigid, since the Jedi where basically prepared for a Sith Lord like Darth Bane, not a Sith that had adapted.

 

This is alos why Yoda doesn't train Luke and Leia from birth, he figured that the only way to fight the Sith was for the Jedi to adapt too.

 

Look at this way, while in the prequals, Jedi are

1) Trained from a very young age

2) Taught to live by a strict moral code (no friends, love, etc.)

while Luke was as old as Anakin was when Anakin turned, and Luke was given the basics, how to levitate, healing, etc. Also, if you factor in the books set after Jedi, Luke is training Jedi the way he was trained, even allowing other Masters and himself to marry, in Luke's case, Mara Jade.

[Don of the Dead]

Anakin's motive wasn't as strong to convert to the Darkside.  He says "what have I done?" when accidently killing Windu...1 minute later he is bowing down to the Emperor...TOO QUICK!  He didn't even have time to THINK about what he'd done.

 

I agree Hayden didnt do a very good job with this scene but I think he knew what he was doing all along. He wanted something only Palpatine could give him and he wasnt gonna let anyone stop him from getting that.

He didn't accidently kill Mace, he made his choice, cut off Mace's hand and Palpatine killed Mace. After regretting it, he knew he couldn't go back, the Jedi would have killed him, might as well move forward with Palpatine who he thought could save his wife.

[azrael23]

Anakin's motive wasn't as strong to convert to the Darkside. He says "what have I done?" when accidently killing Windu...1 minute later he is bowing down to the Emperor...TOO QUICK! He didn't even have time to THINK about what he'd done.

 

Thats what I thought at first, but when you sum it all

up he converted to the darkside for a woman, afterwards he became so corrupted he thought he was doing the republic a favor by turning on the Jedi, then it became all about power when he suggested to Padme that the both of them could rule the republic if he destroyed Palpatine, and he later made that same offer to Luke.

 

Anakin never had time to reflect on what he did to Mace, because he

had crossed the point of no return, I guess at that point he said to hell with it and pledged himself to Palpatine, even though it was pretty quick.

 

In the end you see why the Jedi code didn't allow for such attachments. Anakin had far to much baggage, his own inner turmoil, his mother and then Padme is what contribute to his downfall, I would have thought that simple greed and lust for power would have been his primary motive, but it wasn't.

[OmegaSaber]

Very pleased with it, I have my gripes but nothing that really takes anything away from the movie.

 

My main complaint overall: too much info crammed into it. I realize it was now or never, but they should've realized they'd be pressed for time when filming the hour long pod race for Ep.I. Just a minor complaint, which I'll get over once I see it a couple more times.

 

Stuff I'd liked to see: More of Vader at the Jedi Temple. In the game when he enters the temple is such a priceless moment, it should've made it onto the screen.

 

Cut out: The wookiee scene...it was pointless, even though it had a couple of nice moments it added nothing to the story (this time could've been used to flush out another part of the story.)

[Matthew Green]

But again JayC, You can assume all you want to...The fact that they made SUCH a big deal about who erased the Jedi archives AND who ordered the clones and to NOT even say anything about it in this movie is REALLY an unanswered question...

 

Not to mention Grevious. I REALLY thought that with the human organs and human type eyeballs that it was Darth Maul constructed with what was left of his body. Why didn't Lucas JUST make this guy a droid if THAT was it?

[Devilbat]

Ah, where do I begin...

 

First of all, this was the first prequel I attended the midnight screening of on opening night. None of us expected our local theater to even have ROTS so soon, but they did, with the midnight showing no less! But my mom came along, and it was me and her, my wife, my brother and my niece, and a childhood friend got to come along, so it was a nostalgic night all the way around. Just like back in the day when my dad would load us all up and take us on Friday night to see whichever Star Wars movie happened to be out. But anyway...

 

I absolutely loved this movie. I have my nit-picks, but who doesn't; right? We can all find something "wrong" with any movie we see. But I found myself so wrapped up in the story that I need to see it again a few more times to notice the special effects. (lol)

 

My favorite part: I loved Palpatine in this one. I've said many times before that I was very fascinated with the character, and this movie was his movie. His big reveal as Sidious/The Emperor was just too good. He reminded me of every vampire/demon-possessed/mutant horror villain I've seen for the last twenty years in movies, and he was perfectly and deliciously evil, just as I have always considered him. Awesome.

 

I love how Lucas has Anakin torn between the Jedi Council and Palpatine. His loyalties are questioned, and it causes him to wonder himself. We see the conflict come from what does he feel is right and what motivates him to do what he does. I loved it.

 

There were some cheesy lines I didn't care for, and the whole rescue of Palpatine did seem kinda choppy to me at first. Maybe I'll warm up to it more the more I see it, but I hated how light-hearted Obi-Wan seemed to be throughout the whole thing: "Sith lords are our specialty!" Ugh. But beyond that Obi-Wan was the great hero in the movie that I've known and loved throughout the saga.

 

And...I have one minor but very obsessive/compulsive complaint about ROTS: Why in the world did Lucas decide in his last installment to CHANGE THE BATTLEDROIDS' VOICES??!! (lol) It's silly I know, but for continuity freaks like me, it KILLS me for them to make such a minor yet glaring change. (I'm referring to the fact that there's inflection and tone in their voices in ROTS instead of the flat, monotone "Roger-roger!!" droid-voice we're so used to in the prequels and toons. Why? Gah! It just bugs me so bad to change something so insignificant like that. (lol)

 

But I loved the story and how it tied everything together. And I've read where others couldn't see why Anakin turned to the Dark Side so easily; his personal goals and ambitions and beliefs are what motivated him. I personally thought it was quite clear. And you could see the Dark Side slowly consume him to the point where he began hiding what he had done from Padme, and before long you begin to realize it's the Dark Side talking, not Anakin anymore. And after he killed the Separatist honchos and Padme came to him, he was so possessed by the Dark Side that he began spouting off intentions to Padme about destroying the Emperor and having her join him in ruling the galaxy together. (Sound familiar?) And it was just little touches like that that I loved so much, little lines here and there that reflected the original films. For example, I just loved it when Palpatine's voice would husk over and he would say, "I can feel your anger!" Oh man. It just brought back memories of the OT and it was so cool.

 

And for the most part, this movie addressed everything I hoped it would. After reading some complaints, I didn't feel like I had missed the same thing others had, no offense guys. I didn't feel the need to see Boba Fett, I didn't think the Kashyyk scene was too short; we just needed to see Yoda on yet another front of the war, and it was nice to see a glimpse of Chewbacca and discover him and Yoda had been allies in the past. Nice touch. And I thought the scenes where the clones turned on the Jedi across the galaxy were very fitting. I don't know; I just don't have the same complaints as alot of you guys. But that's okay, I know. We all don't have the same sensibilities and ideas when it comes to these things.

 

And...the ending of Obi-Wan's and Anakin's duel was heart-wrenching for me. Obi-Wan comparing Anakin to his brother and how much he loved him, then Anakin relies with his gutteral "I HAAATE YYYOOOUUU!!!!"...man, that gave me chills. Having two brothers of my own, than scene just got to me. And that reminds me; I was glad Lucas finally lightened-up on Obi-Wan's and Anakin's relationship, at least through two-thirds of the movie. You could see the comaraderie and friendship they shared that you didn't see in Episode II or the first Clone Wars series. I was pleased to see that relationship as it was supposed to be. To me that was so important to show, and if that great relationship wasn't there, then it didn't work when Obi-Wan glowingly refers to Anakin as "a good friend" in ANH. That had bothered me so much about Episode II, that you didn't see that loving father/son or brother/brother relationship they kept referring to. And also all of that made me realize that the whiny late-teen we see in AOTC is just that, a head-strong, can't-tell-anything-to/do-anything-with/I-know-it-all teenager, and that's why I guess you can't see the love and friendship much. It happens in homes all across America every day.

 

Also, it seemed like there were a few more humorous moments that hearkened back to the original movies. That was nice to see.

 

But the one thing that was left out in my mind was the whole Owen Lars/Obi-Wan/Anakin triangle relationship that Obi-Wan referrs to in ANH. But I made it up in my mind that there could have been some conflicts and exchanges during the time period between Episodes II and III during the Clone Wars when perhaps Obi-Wan would accompany Anakin to Tatooine from time to time to maybe pay his respects to his mother or something. So I was okay with my own little explanation there.

 

And...I wanted to see more of Vader, but it's like my wife said; we see alot of him in the later episodes, so no real loss there. And I loved the scene where they're operating on him and that mask comes down over his face and he sees the computerized eye-ports inside the mask that will be his new eyes in effect. The look on his face was sad because here he was in all of this agonizing pain, and he seems scared of this mask that will define him and be a necessity for his very survival for the rest of his life...just some heavy stuff there that makes Vader a much more tragic figure than I ever saw him as, and that's what's so powerful about ROTS in my mind. It also reminded me of when he tells Luke in ROTJ how he wants to see him with "his own eyes". Awesome.

 

Also, I really wanted to see Qui-Gonn's spirit make an appearance ala Obi-Wan to Luke in ESB. That was a minor dissapointment after hearing rumors.

 

And for one final complaint, Grievous was not the Jedi-killing, kick-@$$ villain in this movie that we saw in the Clone Wars toon. He was slightly a letdown, but only slightly. And man...when his arms split apart and he started twirling those lightsabers at Obi-Wan...what an awesome visual. But I guess he's not as deadly since his run-in with Mace Windu at the end of the second Clone Wars series, so his shortcomings are okay.

 

So overall, ROTS was a worthy addition to the saga IMO, and definitely satisfying when it comes to filling in all of the holes in the prequel story and tying everything together. I definitely want to see it several more times this summer.

 

 

And y'know guys, I couldn't put my finger on the feeling I came away from the movie with last night until my wife and I got to talking about it today. Yeah, the movie's sad, but it wasn't that. I definitely wasn't disappointed with it, so it wasn't that. Then today, it dawned on me-it's just like the day after Christmas; all of that excitement and anticipation built up, in this case for literally years, and now it's over. The whole story has been told. Bittersweet you might say. But I know I'll be enjoying the saga for many years to come, good Lord willing, so it's okay that it's all over (or so Lucas says for now...).

[pesatyel]

I loved every minute of it. Yeah, Grievous went out like a punk. But Boba, Jango, and Maul all went out like punks, so you can't tell me you weren't expecting the same kind of fate for Grievous.

Of course we were and THAT is what sucked!

 

Maul and Grievous were all portrayed as super badasses yet look how easily they went down.

 

I mean Grevious had FOUR lightsabers (not to mention cyborg body parts that allowed him to move beyond human constraints) and Obi-Wan STILL kicked his ass?

 

Well, it wasn't so much that he lost, but the fact that the fight was so friggin' short!

[pesatyel]

anyone see the millenium falcon??? its going into land on corosant

I wondered about that too. I didn't see the Falcon, but seeing the Blockade Runner made me wonder why we weren't seeing more OT ships (X-Wings, etc.). I can't imagine that there would be such tremendous changes to the Star Wars universe that ALL the ships in the prequels were replaced with the "new" stuff in only a 20 year period. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that of all the vehicles shown in the three prequels, only the Blockade Runner (being the same ship) and the Republic cruisers "survive" into the ANH?

[pesatyel]

A friend of mine is planning on camping out in front of the local theater all night, to catch the film first thing the next day. Ah, to be that young again....

 

j @bounce@ e

The theater here had a showing at 12, 1, 3, 4, etc.

 

I went to see if I could go the 12 showing, but was too late (didn't want to miss anything), so I payed for the showing at 1. Funny thing was there was NO LINE at all. Yet four guys were sitting near the door bragging about being first in line for the showing at 3.

 

I went at 1, found a nice seat (the theater was moderately crowded). When I came out, there was a line around the building. I had to laugh a little at those 4 guys.

[pesatyel]

It was a really good movie, people just need to find stuff to nitpick. There is no way he could have shown everything in detail in 2 1/2 hours. A lot of parts already felt too rushed because he was probably to tie up as much as he could in a limited time frame.

Actually, I was kinda bored. They coulda cut back on scenes (like the stuff at the beginning) in favor of other stuff (like making Greivous actually not suck).

[pesatyel]

I loved it and the entire theater was loving it as well!! Everyone had a great time and people applauded at least 5 or 6 times throughout the movie. I could sit here and pick the movie apart too, but you can pick apart any movie. Just enjoy it while it's here........

I am SO glad that didn't happen. I hate when people clap at the end of movies.

[pesatyel]

Padme died of a brocken heart or maybe just gave up more from depression. All that cheeesy dialogue betwwen Padme and Anakin was to show how much they loved each other. Anakin broke her heart. If you have ever had a broken heart and really loved that person you have probably wanted to die too. Plus add in what was going on at the time.

Doesn't explain how Leia remembered her birth mother.

[pesatyel]

You can't really put it in that perspective and expect to get a realistic answer. These movies wouldn't be around if not for the otc is #1, #2 is the special effects in the otc are outdated compared to these, of course if they were released today we would pick it apart because we would be like why go from high quality to medium quality?

 

Even so I think people like the OTC more because it has more realism. These new movies seem produced for $ rather than for art like they originally were. ROTJ is the weakest one, funny how that's after Lucas sold out.

 

I'm not a OTC is completely perfect guy, I'm more casual than that, and I love OTC but realize its faults. Just so happens that the newer movies either have more of them or they're just more obvious.

Well, part of it is the fact the OT special effects WERE outdated, meaning they had to work them into the movies as realistically as possible. There was only so much they could do. In the PT, all the special effects were just done with computer animation and there was no real limit on what they could show, but at the same time they didn't really worry about "realism" as much as before. Or at least that's how I see it.

[pesatyel]

After seeing the movie i felt strange, i don’t know, i have like a strange mmm taste? ... i mean i like the movie a lot, but i felt really betrayed by the clones  @smilepunch@

 

And why do the respond to order 66?, did the clones had something on their cloning process that made them obey this order?

 

 

And i think that the characters in the clone wars cartoons had better personality that the ones on the movie, like graeivius.

With Order 66, it was likely that and the fact that as the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, any order from Palpatine would be obeyed as he's the Commander in Cheif

I wondered the same thing. Where did order 66 come from? Was it mentioned in Attack of the Clones (kinda like directive 4 in Robocop)?

[pesatyel]

Don't forget when Padme ran off the shuttle at mustafar to meet Annie....not waddled like a preggo chick would, but ran.  She moved well for haulin twins.

them Naboo women, they special. in all seriousness she was somewhat of an Alien, although VERY humaniod. Speciation does occur

Let's not forget she didn't age at all between when Anakin was a boy and when he became Vader.

[pesatyel]

I just saw the movie and have to say I loved it and in my opinion it's the best of this trilogy. A- in my book.

My gripes:

1)The wookies. This just seemed like a waste of tiome to me because it was way to short and made no sense.

 

2)I wasn't able to talk for awhile because I was so shocked and upset by the kids dieing(hinted at but still freaks me out) I knew they all were gonna die but was still NOT prepared for it.

I think the whole thing with the Wookies was just to have a cameo by Chewbacca. Yoda explained that the Republic couldn't afford to loose the system.

 

And having Chewbacca was completely pointless. As was pointed out by others, I wanted to see Wookies tearing droids apart by hand.

 

 

 

As for the kids dying, that WAS pretty shocking.

[pesatyel]

In the novelization, Yoda realized that his Jedi training was too rigid, since the Jedi where basically prepared for a Sith Lord like Darth Bane, not a Sith that had adapted.

 

This is alos why Yoda doesn't train Luke and Leia from birth, he figured that the only way to fight the Sith was for the Jedi to adapt too.

 

Look at this way, while in the prequals, Jedi are

1) Trained from a very young age

2) Taught to live by a strict moral code (no friends, love, etc.)

while Luke was as old as Anakin was when Anakin turned, and Luke was given the basics, how to levitate, healing, etc. Also, if you factor in the books set after Jedi, Luke is training Jedi the way he was trained, even allowing other Masters and himself to marry, in Luke's case, Mara Jade.

Yeah, but how can you really count the novelizations? Are they actually "canon" to the Star Wars universe?

[azrael23]

In the novelization, Yoda realized that his Jedi training was too rigid, since the Jedi where basically prepared for a Sith Lord like Darth Bane, not a Sith that had adapted.

 

This is alos why Yoda doesn't train Luke and Leia from birth, he figured that the only way to fight the Sith was for the Jedi to adapt too.

 

Look at this way, while in the prequals, Jedi are

1) Trained from a very young age

2) Taught to live by a strict moral code (no friends, love, etc.)

while Luke was as old as Anakin was when Anakin turned, and Luke was given the basics, how to levitate, healing, etc.  Also, if you factor in the books set after Jedi, Luke is training Jedi the way he was trained, even allowing other Masters and himself to marry, in Luke's case, Mara Jade.

Yeah, but how can you really count the novelizations? Are they actually "canon" to the Star Wars universe?

I believe they are canon, just as long as it doesn't contradict the movie.

[RobbieDigital]

For people that consider themselves to be "huge" fans you guys really don't notice much. I'm not really flaming a singular person here but it seems like everyone is just looking for something to gripe about.

 

The clone army thing.......anyone remember Jango telling Obi-Wan that he was recruited by a guy named Tyranus...(Dooku).

 

Grievous, Jango, and Maul......while they were cool characters and villians, you're forgetting that Jango got taken out by one of the most powerful Jedi in the universe.......and Obi-Wan isn't that bad of a Jedi himself....in case anyone didn't know.

 

Plus all three of those villians were supremely overconfident and fought that way too. (Anakin as well)

 

Leia remembering her birth mother......did she even know she was adopted?? (that is until Jedi) The Organas could have kept this from her and Bail's wife could have bit it when she was young....ever think about that..(I don't know if this was covered in the books??)

 

It just seems like everyone is "looking" for something to complain about with this movie. Granted it wasn't perfect....the part where they hinted that Padme was dying of a "broken heart" made me roll my eyes. You think she would have the will in her to live for her children.

 

The Droid Army is scrap metal now....they are using the metal for the Death Star @loll@

 

 

 

Plus Yoda has had 20 some years by the time of Empire to figure out where he went wrong.....so Luke's training was unlike any other Jedi in the past.

 

I liked the film......probably my third favorite.....behind "Jedi" and "ESB" and thats just cause ROTS gives ROTJ a ten point boost.

[SKYWARP]

Over all I thought it was a good movie. I left the theater with a mix of emotions. I know I'm going to have to see it a second time for everything to soak in. Also from the way this one started out I could really see why Lucas is going to make them in 3-D. I mean everything looked like it was coming out of the screen as it was. I can only imagine what it will look like in 3-D.

 

Only thing is I think everything in this movie happened to fast. It was just to much information to take it all in; in to short of a time. I think Lucas could have had this movie alone as EP1, 2, and 3. I also wish we could have found out some more about Greivous before he was sorta just there. I mean was he like the result of what happened the first time that Palpatine tried to save somebody? (Like he did with Vader) I just wanted a little more character development. I always think that helps out, especially with the younger kids who see this (who aren't in the Starwars know) Don't get me wrong though I really enjoyed this one. It was the best out of the first three by far.

 

My girlfriend even really enjoyed it and she's not in to all the sci-fi, space movie's at all. Only part that really upset her was when Anakin killed the kids. That was ruff it seemed like all the air went out of the theater at that point.

 

I also thought it was right ruff when OB1 cut off Anakin's legs and arm. I just can't put into words how I felt when I saw that, and to see and hear Anakin in so much pain and agony.

 

 

Well like I said at the begging I'm going to have to see it again so it can all soak in.