G.i. Joe Anime

[Tom-1]

I think its silly to be so close minded. 

 

It's merely a difference of opinion on it, not necessarily "close minded".

You shoulda realised by now, VH - If you're against anything, you're close minded.

 

Tom

[Skorpion]

Anime Sucks.. Gijoe is an American Icon Keep Japan in japan..

Not that i am prejudice its just that the cartoons are FLOODED with Anime crap. I mean.. here is an example..The Fighting Foodons. and oh yea.. Dragonball Z. I mean come on how many times can you power up? Jeez

[Viper Hunter]

I think its silly to be so close minded. 

 

It's merely a difference of opinion on it, not necessarily "close minded".

You shoulda realised by now, VH - If you're against anything, you're close minded.

 

Tom

You got that right! I'll proudly wear that conservative label though.

 

 

Anime Sucks.. Gijoe is an American Icon Keep Japan in japan..

 

 

@hmmm@ oops! Okay THAT might be a little "close-minded"!

 

Just kiddin', but I think the point was already cleared up earlier about the original Joe cartoon being Japanese produced or something, so it's not necessarily a Japanese vs. American produced trademark thing, just a non interest in Joes being in anime style...wherever it comes from.

[mad method]

I love anime but wouldn't want to see a g.i.joe anime. When ever you bring up anime around people who aren't into anime they're going to immediately think of Dragonball Z or Pokemon. For you anime-haters, you should know that there are plenty of military themed anime but apparently the kids now are a bunch of p*ssies and can't appreciate a good military-themed show. Pretty much all anime shown on American TV is crap and all the American originated stuff that tries to imitate it is crap. I'd love to see an all-American done g.i.joe cartoon but if it's all American done it'll probably turn up being some watered down crap like the Spytroops movie.

[Viper Hunter]

The problem you run into here, is that to the rest of the world, Americans are redneck war mongers, so if we're showing our little kids war mongering cartoons with adult themes and violence, it's used to explain WHY!

 

We're classically "damned if we do...............ANYTHING!"

 

 

These other countries that get no ill rep cast towards them, can make porn animes and gory violent animes without so much an eye batting at them. Most animes feature "child-like" characters acting in adult situations including sexually.

 

I'm perfectly content to having G.I.joe be geared towards the "kids" in it's non-violent, non-death, non-sex showing manner, and having the guilty pleasure of enjoying it anyway, like I do the whole business of collecting....TOYS!

[mad method]

The problem you run into here, is that to the rest of the world, Americans are redneck war mongers, so if we're showing our little kids war mongering cartoons with adult themes and violence, it's used to explain WHY!

 

We're classically "damned if we do...............ANYTHING!"

 

 

These other countries that get no ill rep cast towards them, can make porn animes and gory violent animes without so much an eye batting at them. Most animes feature "child-like" characters acting in adult situations including sexually.

 

I'm perfectly content to having G.I.joe be geared towards the "kids" in it's non-violent, non-death, non-sex showing manner, and having the guilty pleasure of enjoying it anyway, like I do the whole business of collecting....TOYS!

You're looking at the wrong enemy, VH. The reason we don't have any decent American action cartoons is because some people here want to blame violence in cartoons,music, and movies for everything. I watched some old episodes of Jonny Quest from 1970 last night and people got shot at and died. It wasn't gory or graphic but people died. Last I checked kids weren't going on shooting sprees in their schools back in 1970. No shooting sprees when the sunbow g.i.joe cartoon was on the air either. In this country we tend not to give are kids enough credit.

[Viper Hunter]

You're looking at the wrong enemy, VH. The reason we don't have any decent American action cartoons is because some people here want to blame violence in cartoons,music, and movies for everything. I watched some old episodes of Jonny Quest from 1970 last night and people got shot at and died. It wasn't gory or graphic but people died. Last I checked kids weren't going on shooting sprees in their schools back in 1970. No shooting sprees when the sunbow g.i.joe cartoon was on the air either. In this country we tend not to give are kids enough credit.

I agree with that! I'm from that era of the 70's and even with the violent nature of the cartoons back then, like the Johnny Quest cartoon you mention (which were great) or even to some, the Bugs Bunny Warner Brothers cartoons were too "violent" according to some folks, I think I managed to get along just fine.

 

This day and age though, things are much different, and we've let slick lawyers use such excuses as violent cartoons, explain the behavior of convicted criminals.

 

Back in the 70's though, we didn't have cable tv or HBO and believe it or not, censorship was a heck of a lot higher, than it is by todays standards. They may have let a few "violent" cartoons slip thru the cracks, because everything else was so light and fluffy and sickening sweet. The Brady Bunch, Gilligans Island, Mary Tyler Moore, The Love Boat just to name a few. This was normal prime-time tv and there wasn't much selection to watch much of anything else.

 

Look at the crap that fills our televisions today, like Adult Swim and all the adult channels, that people are igonorant and just kidding themselves into thinking that the kids aren't watching this stuff when the window of opportunity presents itself, that is, if the parents even give a damn enough to monitor what the hell the kids are watching. My parents didn't have such a choir for them, in having to worry about the images we may see on the boob tube, as they just weren't there. It was within the home and restricted to a degree by the networks.

 

Taking us to an R rated movie was the only thing they had to worry about, not whether or not we clicked on one of those channels on our home TV. Playboy magazines snuck into the house would have been another worry back then..now the kids just jump on the Internet and see things 100 X WORSE than any Playboy magazine from the 70's would have shown.

 

Music is a whole other topic, and it's definitely a lot more depressing and unfiltered in it's sexual content, than it ever was back then. Poetry with words was the worst you could do to describe a sexual encounter, Afternoon Delight anyone? That was filthy back then, nowadays it's laughable, and still the most God awful piece of crap, but that's beside the point.

 

Kids don't seem to get to enjoy being kids as much today or for as long. They know far more about the sex and violence in the world, and at 6 years old, are already contemplating suicide and struggling with depression. Pretty pathetic, but it is a sign of the times.

[8speed]

just a non interest in Joes being in anime style...

A few years back, when the old X-Men cartoon was brought over to Japan, they redid the opening theme to X-Men... and let me tell you... it was friggin' awesome. It wasn't you're typical Japanese looking anime stuff.... but like the comic book drawing style of that era brought to life.

 

If anyone has ever seen this little clip, you'd know how kick-ass GI JOE could be done.

[Viper Hunter]

The fear is in the idea that if an anime style of G.I.Joe gets attempted, and it just may very well be pretty cool, they'll want to match the action figures to the popular anime cartoon, and then what..?

 

That won't be G.I.joe as I know and love it. They can make as many types of cartoons for the toys as they want, if they don't try to mess up the overall feel and look of the toys themselves.

 

I'm not much of one for the cartoons or comic books already, but there always seems to be some correlation between them all. I'd hate to see something get started that could possibly change my Real AMERICAN Heros into wide-eyed 10 year old looking kids.

[Mekk Z]

just a non interest in Joes being in anime style...

A few years back, when the old X-Men cartoon was brought over to Japan, they redid the opening theme to X-Men... and let me tell you... it was friggin' awesome. It wasn't you're typical Japanese looking anime stuff.... but like the comic book drawing style of that era brought to life.

 

If anyone has ever seen this little clip, you'd know how kick-ass GI JOE could be done.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I've seen that Anime intro to the X-Men series myself and it rocked and I'm only sorry that Marvel didn't tell the artists you did it to make a whole nother X-Men Anime series.

So my arguing is if it's done tastefully enough like that why not?

[Mekk Z]

The fear is in the idea that if an anime style of G.I.Joe gets attempted, and it just may very well be pretty cool, they'll want to match the action figures to the popular anime cartoon, and then what..?

 

That won't be G.I.joe as I know and love it. They can make as many types of cartoons for the toys as they want, if they don't try to mess up the overall feel and look of the toys themselves.

 

I'm not much of one for the cartoons or comic books already, but there always seems to be some correlation between them all. I'd hate to see something get started that could possibly change my Real AMERICAN Heros into wide-eyed 10 year old looking kids.

Oh Brother.

 

Listen even if an Anime series of G.I. Joe was attempted (and with the fact that it probably wouldn't last very long what with the majority of ignorant G.I. Joe fans there apparently are) I'm sure it wouldn't change the look and feel of the franchise. Anyway, Hasbro's been pretty successful at f***ing up G.I. Joe and changing numerous aspects about the franchise that we've all grown up with even without an Anime TV series.

 

And hey a little Anime style treatment might not be such a bad idea for the toys, especially for the female action figures. Then maybe we could get a Scarlett or Baroness figure that doesn't look so ugly.

[knightbymoonlight]

Personally I'd love a well-done anime-styled joe toyline. I like the style. Different? Yeah. But so was 3 3/4".

[Viper Hunter]

Oh Brother.

 

Listen even if an Anime series of G.I. Joe was attempted (and with the fact that it probably wouldn't last very long what with the majority of ignorant G.I. Joe fans there apparently are)

"OH BROTHER" is right!

 

Listen ya cry baby...you've completely threw any point to further debate with you about your posted suggestion of taking Joe down the road of anime, with your insulting and childish whining, and now NAME calling the folks who have taken time to answer your stupid question, but apparently they didn't answer it the way you was expecting or wanting them to.

 

If you don't like the answers you might get on this stuff, then don't bother asking anymore! Some folks complain because their posts hardly get any responses at all, and feel ignored, here you are generating some worthy debate and now whining and crying and name calling, because you don't like the way the consensus is going.

 

"Anime sucks" is about as rough as the responses got, but nobody exclaimed that the very people who LIKE the idea were "ignorant" or even "close minded". Do you see the error of your ways in all this?

 

probably not!

 

 

 

@grumpy@ where the hell's that "ignore" button?

[ARROW]

Okay, being the resident "animation" expert of sorts around here I have this other thing to say:

 

Given the two popular trendy mediums; anime and CGI--GIJOe has the potential to attract audiences.

 

I've already gone into the practical reasons why anime is unlikely to be used, but which medium is IDEAL for GIJOE?

 

Anime edges out ahead in popularity, the drawings styles, if done with adequate production values have tremendous appeal to alot of kids these days.

 

But technically, in terms of "dazzle-factor", CGI wins out hands-down.

 

Anime is limited animation. Lots of held-cels, repeat cycles, scene re-use, animation on 3's and pose to pose animation--and straight forward camera pans.

Anime traditionally avoids complex camera moves, like arcing pans and truck-ins/outs ( zooms) and fluid full animation ( on 1's) is almost never seen.

This, as said before, is for ecomony and is part of the anime-style.

 

CGI is mostly devoid of these limitations. Camera POV's are virtual meaning any style camera shot, from hand-held to infinite crane shots can be done easily. Camera pans are not depth restrictive, or force multi-plane, instead in CGI camera pans can move in and around objects animating out to the horizon--which is extremely difficult to pull off in 2D animation.

CGI Animation is fluid and full and the need for scene re-use is almost non-existent. CGI is a kin to virtual "puppetry". Effects animation and wide-scope shots are easily handled and can add to the realism.

The only thing that TV-quality CGI, is a weakness inhitting zany poses and facial expressions. Facial mapping still looks still in CGI because full-face compressions and animation take time to animate convincingly. CGI has the added advantage of motion-capture for physical acting--which anime ( or traditional 2D animation ) use the similar but more tedious time-honoured method called rotoscoping.

 

Adding multiple elements is simple, and editing shots made easier because elements can be adjusted virtually.

Want 400 Rattlers dive bombing GIJOE HQ? Not a problem--takes about as much time to animate as 10 rattlers in 2D, but, not surprisingly costs more.

 

That's the technical end of it, but the real reason CGI should be used is because GIJOE is ideal for the CGI medium. That's why Spytroops: the Movie represents an exciting shift in GIJOE.

 

 

--Ken

[Ccav]

ALL I CAN SAY IS CGI SUX MORE THAN ANIME!!!!!

 

 

 

 

unless its the dragon ball Z crap....everytime i see that shyt on tv i want to break it.

 

 

@firedevil@

[knightbymoonlight]

Okay, being the resident "animation" expert of sorts around here I have this other thing to say:

 

Given the two popular trendy mediums; anime and CGI--GIJOe has the potential to attract audiences.

 

I've already gone into the practical reasons why anime is unlikely to be used, but which medium is IDEAL for GIJOE?

 

Anime edges out ahead in popularity, the drawings styles, if done with adequate production values have tremendous appeal to alot of kids these days.

 

But technically, in terms of "dazzle-factor", CGI wins out hands-down.

 

Anime is limited animation. Lots of held-cels, repeat cycles, scene re-use, animation on 3's and pose to pose animation--and straight forward camera pans.

Anime traditionally avoids complex camera moves, like arcing pans and truck-ins/outs ( zooms) and fluid full animation ( on 1's) is almost never seen.

This, as said before, is for ecomony and is part of the anime-style.

 

CGI is mostly devoid of these limitations. Camera POV's are virtual meaning any style camera shot, from hand-held to infinite crane shots can be done easily. Camera pans are not depth restrictive, or force multi-plane, instead in CGI camera pans can move in and around objects animating out to the horizon--which is extremely difficult to pull off in 2D animation.

CGI Animation is fluid and full and the need for scene re-use is almost non-existent. CGI is a kin to virtual "puppetry". Effects animation and wide-scope shots are easily handled and can add to the realism.

The only thing that TV-quality CGI, is a weakness inhitting zany poses and facial expressions. Facial mapping still looks still in CGI because full-face compressions and animation take time to animate convincingly. CGI has the added advantage of motion-capture for physical acting--which anime ( or traditional 2D animation ) use the similar but more tedious time-honoured method called rotoscoping.

 

Adding multiple elements is simple, and editing shots made easier because elements can be adjusted virtually.

Want 400 Rattlers dive bombing GIJOE HQ? Not a problem--takes about as much time to animate as 10 rattlers in 2D, but, not surprisingly costs more.

 

That's the technical end of it, but the real reason CGI should be used is because GIJOE is ideal for the CGI medium. That's why Spytroops: the Movie represents an exciting shift in GIJOE.

 

 

--Ken

Hey Ken, what are your feelings on totally digital anime? Like Blood, The Last Vampire?

[ARROW]

Hey Ken, what are your feelings on totally digital anime? Like Blood, The Last Vampire?

I have not seen Blood, the last Vampire, but my feelings are the anime is just a style.

 

That new cartoon Teacher's Pet is a DISNEY cartoon--one with a very different style but a Disney cartoon nonetheless.

 

My feelings on Anime--being baised towards western animation styles that I am-- is that with some freed-up camera work, which Digital Anime has, Anime can be very cool.

 

So many Anime cartoons have highly technical things, machinery ans stuff that use of CGi with organic things would be pretty spectacular. In that kind of drawing anime is light-years ahead of western animation and alsways has been. For straight character animation--conveying emotion--western animation has it in spades over Anime.

 

--Ken

[knightbymoonlight]

Hey Ken, what are your feelings on totally digital anime?  Like Blood, The Last Vampire?

I have not seen Blood, the last Vampire, but my feelings are the anime is just a style.

 

That new cartoon Teacher's Pet is a DISNEY cartoon--one with a very different style but a Disney cartoon nonetheless.

 

My feelings on Anime--being baised towards western animation styles that I am-- is that with some freed-up camera work, which Digital Anime has, Anime can be very cool.

 

So many Anime cartoons have highly technical things, machinery ans stuff that use of CGi with organic things would be pretty spectacular. In that kind of drawing anime is light-years ahead of western animation and alsways has been. For straight character animation--conveying emotion--western animation has it in spades over Anime.

 

--Ken

I'd recommend renting it sometime. It's a little short, and ends kinda abruptly right when it starts to get good, but it was the first digitally done anime and I thought that alone was interesting. With this kinda thing, it could merge some of the CG aspects you mentioned with anime style. For example, the tons of Rattlers bombing Joes. They could probably do that like Disney did the Lion King stampede, though it would look even better since that was a few years ago.