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#551 yojoebro82

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 02:21 PM

 

I am excited at the possibility, no matter how minute, of Luke Skywalker taking center stage again.

 

 

I highly doubt "center stage" because they have to get us hooked on the new characters going forward.  But I will settle for "strong presence".  I get why they had to have so little of Luke in VII but I'm looking forward to a lot more of him in VIII.  I just really hope the writers and Hammill give old Luke a unique personality.  We have seen exactly two types of Jedi personality on the big screen:  Alec Guinness in ANH, and a bunch of actors/CGI characters doing Alec Guinness light in the prequels.  I want Luke to be different, be his own kind of Jedi.

 

And by God, they better show an old Luke and Leia at this latest toyfair!



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Posted 12 February 2016 - 05:41 PM

what are the mysteries? 
 
 
C-3PO's red arm.
 
The path of the lightsaber to Crunchy Cookie Face.
 
The hows and why of the resistance and the first order.
 
Rey's parentage.
 
Where and when Darth Maul and Boba Fett will return.
 
Snookie's identity.
 
 
Am I missing something?


I'll admit...C-3PO having a red arm was a non-issue for me. It made complete sense to me that he'd be cobbled together from assorted replacement parts over the years. No mystery there...I'd even go a step further to say there shouldn't have been any attention drawn to it. It seemed a little cheesy really, as if Threepio was breaking the fourth wall, as it were, to go out of his way to mention the arm for viewers like a silly wink-and-a-nod for something that really should have just been a matter of interesting, incidental costume design.

As for the "path of the lightsaber to Crunchy Cookie Face", I guess that's just happenstance and doesn't really matter. I suppose that's just one of this things that you can fill in the blanks with your own imagination. To paraphrase Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, it doesn't matter where she got it, the point is she got it. (lol)

And...a return of Darth Maul and/or Boba Fett? I just want to respond with a resounding no, no, no, no, and no, absolutely not. (lol)

I'll admit though that yes, Snoke's origins and background intrigues me. It fascinates me to think that there's been this dark, potentially ancient figure that's possibly as powerful if not moreso than Palpatine that may even precede his presence and influence in the galaxy. And I won't necessarily mind if it turns out he has some connection to Palpatine, however tenuous such a relationship might be...I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a preexisting character, like Darth Plagueis, like the internet likes to speculate that he is.

As for Rey's true parentage, I'm just satisfied that she has some connection to the Force in an interesting way. I'm interested to see how it's gonna play out and be revealed over the next two films, but no, it's not this huge mystery that endlessly intrigues me.

And for the record, as excited as I have been about this film, I did go to see it with much objectivity. (Being forty-two years-old, one learns to curb their enthusiasm for alot of things, even Star Wars.) (lol) To be fair, at first some things didn't sit right with me, like the overall effort to make the film hearken back to A New Hope a little too much, as if they tried a little too hard to emulate the magic of the originals. But as things sink in a little more, and I learn more about the details, I'm alot more accepting of what they've done, even satisfied with everything. So it's not like I've personally embraced this film out of blind fanaticism or nostalgia. I watched with my objectivity glasses on (which were 3-D by the way, as it turns out) (lol), and I absolutely loved it.

On a side note, something I like about Leia's Force sensitivity, as someone else alluded to, in The Force Awakens, is just that...she's simply Force sensitive and never pursued the path of a Jedi. To do so would have made her a little two-dimensional and predictable in my mind. I like that she's simply this wisened, elder stateswoman that has enough Force ability to see and feel things. It just makes perfect sense for her character to me.



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Posted 13 February 2016 - 11:32 AM

 

 

I am excited at the possibility, no matter how minute, of Luke Skywalker taking center stage again.

 

 

I highly doubt "center stage" because they have to get us hooked on the new characters going forward.  But I will settle for "strong presence".  

 

 

I am looking forward to the next Mutt Williams movie as well.



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 12:53 PM

http://www.ign.com/a...-gay-characters

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Canon, right? 

 

I really do want an action figure of this.  Fo Realz



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:14 PM

My main gripe with the whole thing is not the fact that there will be inevitable gay characters in Star Wars.  It's because it's being done to bow to the current political/cultural climate.  I climate in which, if your story does not include a certain group of people, the internet will call you out on it.  

 

Look at the PC witch hunts that have happened after the release of every successful geek movie in recent years:  "How many female cast members are there?"  "Why can't you find action figures of her on the shelf?"  "How come the female in the latest ___________ movie isn't empowered enough?" "Is this movie about a black superhero being directed by a black man?"  "Why not?"  "I see whitewashing!"  And it's getting worse.  I almost have the feeling that studios are walking on egg shells to avoid this whole thing and say and do the most PC thing at all times at all costs.

 

BUT...don't just hang this on Star Wars.  Sure, there isn't a gay character in a Marvel or DC movie....yet.  But mark my words, there will be.  They've re-written the comics to include them, they're slowing down story lines on TV shows to say, "Hello?  Gay character, here!" and the movies will follow suit.  

 

There is no different standard for Star Wars.  It may have started off that way, but it's not any more.  Other movies have copied Star Wars (and indeed now SW is copying other movies) to the point where there's no difference anymore.  This is one big juggernaut of a franchise just like the other big juggernaut franchises that have a half dozen new movies per year.  When you find a geek franchise immune to this latest trend, you let me know.  



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 06:45 PM

When you find a geek franchise immune to this latest trend, you let me know.  

 

I haven't seen any gay apes or humans in "Planet of the Apes" yet, but things could change.

Or maybe there are, but the stakes of the story's moment in time are too great to delve too deeply into sexual preference?  WHAT A NOVEL IDEA!

(Insert Plinkett clip: "Stop wasting my time!")

 

Transformers?  Maybe in unintentional subtext when not played for un-PC humor?  Bay aims to offend, so I'm sure its coming soon.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 04:21 PM

My main gripe with the whole thing is not the fact that there will be inevitable gay characters in Star Wars.  

Why not, that's my main gripe. To appease a part of the population that barely constitutes 2% OF the population, the overly permissive media has ruined Marriage, Comic Books, Superhero TV and now they're trying to ruin Star Wars to.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 08:23 PM

 

My main gripe with the whole thing is not the fact that there will be inevitable gay characters in Star Wars.  

Why not, that's my main gripe. To appease a part of the population that barely constitutes 2% OF the population, the overly permissive media has ruined Marriage, Comic Books, Superhero TV and now they're trying to ruin Star Wars to.

 

 

What I mean by that is that I don't consider stories with gay characters to be bad by default.  So I don't have a gripe with gay people or gay characters in general.

 

The way these studios are going about it and the fact that it has become so commonplace just smacks of pandering.  



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 01:05 PM

Release on Blu-Ray/Digital/DVD



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 01:41 PM

Darn it. Released three days after my birthday.



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:45 PM

Battlefront sucks...help us John Boyega, you're our only hope!

 

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:51 PM

Darn it. Released three days after my birthday.

 

That seems like a pretty short wait.  Not that I'm complaining.  I'll buy my copy the day of!



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 03:38 PM

 

Darn it. Released three days after my birthday.

 

That seems like a pretty short wait.  Not that I'm complaining.  I'll buy my copy the day of!

 

I just mean I'm going to have to buy it myself instead of getting it as a gift.



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 04:30 PM

GREAT (sarcasm) ARTICLE:  Luke is gay:

http://news.yahoo.co...-143650512.html

 

That could lead to some interesting "Spotlight" #$## with the fall of Luke's new Jedi...molested padawans...Republic cover-ups...

Kylo?!  OMG!  Han and Leia paid off?  It all makes sense!

(sarcasm...not all homosexuals are child molesters...but, cmon, the prequel Jedi were babyknapping weirdos)



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 04:57 PM

GREAT (sarcasm) ARTICLE:  Luke is gay:

http://news.yahoo.co...-143650512.html

 

 

 

Everyone is pointing the gay finger at Poe and Finn but yeah, Luke crossed my mind too and I knew it was a matter of time before the idea was thrown out there.  I'm not getting too worked up about it.  Everyone is going to fall into step and say all the right things about the issue ("Yeah, I'd have no problem with _________ being gay.  Ya know we live in a society now where blablahblah PC blablablah equality blahblahblah acceptance blah blah").  They HAVE to say that or the negative press would go flying.  Anyway, I'm tired of this topic.  Comics or Star Wars, they're gonna do what they're gonna do and bow to what they're gonna bow to.  I'll just leave it at this:

 

"Who is she?  She's beautiful..."



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 05:24 PM

I love Mark Hamill and I love Luke.  But I imagine the conversation he had with Disney about the issue went something like this:

Disney- "The liberal media is probably going to ask you about the possibility of Luke being gay.  When that happens, you tell them, 'Fine by me'.  That way we dodge any backlash."

 

Then they hand him the $5 million check he got for an afternoon of location shooting on a beautiful hill in Scotland where he had to turn around and take his hood off while delivering no lines of dialogue.  Man, I imagine he had to do that take three...maybe four times!

 

No, I bet Hamill has no problem with Luke being gay.  I wouldn't either.  I'd be too busy laughing all the way to the bank.

 

(OK, THAT'S my last word on the subject).



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 10:13 PM

 

GREAT (sarcasm) ARTICLE:  Luke is gay:

http://news.yahoo.co...-143650512.html

 

 

 

  I'll just leave it at this:

 

"Who is she?  She's beautiful..."

 

 

I always thought, "lets go... and don't forget the druids" had a funny lil lisp to it.

 

On the gay stuff: again, how important is any character's sexual preference to the moment in time that is being shared with the audience? Particularly in kiddie Sci-Fi escapism?  Reminds me of all those bogus acting class assignment about creating your character outside what is on the page...@##@@ method busywork.



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Posted 28 March 2016 - 06:50 PM

Saw TFA for the third time for free on a plane to London.  Couldn't believe it was available so early.  Sweet!



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 05:43 AM

I got done watching all the special features on my blu-ray (I love watching how creatures and other behind the scenes stuff gets done).  A couple things of note:

George Lucas' screen time was all of, "So one day I decided to sell Star Wars.  I let Kathy Kennedy take over".  That's it.  I guess it's good that they didn't get into the seller's remorse aspect of George's decision.  We're all here to have a good time, after all.

 

On more than one occasion I heard commentary along the lines of, "The only way to shoot this movie is to shoot it on FILM" and "We wanted to build it practically unless there was no other choice".  I wonder if that was a shot at any particular movie(s)?

 

I thought Ford did a commendable job of keeping his contempt for Solo not being killed off sooner in check.  He sat through his interviews like a champ and I appreciate it (again, we're all here to have a good time :)  ).  The wife didn't know Ford has an ear ring in real life....now she think's he's gay.

 

I got a kick out of seeing all the creatures being built.  Some of the guys that I figure were all CG were actually hand made.  That's SW!

 

Deleted scenes:  I was this close to getting that Snowspeeder vehicle but I think it not being "in the movie" held me back.  Well, it IS in the movie, just cut out.  I bought it on clearance at WM this past weekend.

 

I thought there was going to be a scene wit Chewie pulling a guy's arm off...didn't see it though.  Disappointing.

 

Fun stuff!



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 08:34 AM

I got done watching all the special features on my blu-ray (I love watching how creatures and other behind the scenes stuff gets done).  A couple things of note:

 

 

On more than one occasion I heard commentary along the lines of, "The only way to shoot this movie is to shoot it on FILM" and "We wanted to build it practically unless there was no other choice".  I wonder if that was a shot at any particular movie(s)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know it was taking at shot at the Prequels, but why do it? If it wasn't for the Prequels and Lucas pushing the technology we'd still have crappy CGI, most movies that are made today wouldn't have got made (Lord of the Rings, Any Marvel movie) and movies would for the most part all still be between 90 and 120 minutes long. 



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 09:14 AM

 

I got done watching all the special features on my blu-ray (I love watching how creatures and other behind the scenes stuff gets done).  A couple things of note:

 

 

On more than one occasion I heard commentary along the lines of, "The only way to shoot this movie is to shoot it on FILM" and "We wanted to build it practically unless there was no other choice".  I wonder if that was a shot at any particular movie(s)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know it was taking at shot at the Prequels, but why do it? If it wasn't for the Prequels and Lucas pushing the technology we'd still have crappy CGI, most movies that are made today wouldn't have got made (Lord of the Rings, Any Marvel movie) and movies would for the most part all still be between 90 and 120 minutes long. 

 

 

Because even if something good came of it as you claim, the prequels still leaned on the CGI as a crutch.  LOTR and Marvel did not.



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 10:45 AM

I just wanna add two things:  "Darby O'Gill and the Little People" and "Fury Road."



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:35 PM

 

 

Deleted scenes:  I was this close to getting that Snowspeeder vehicle but I think it not being "in the movie" held me back.  Well, it IS in the movie, just cut out.  I bought it on clearance at WM this past weekend.

 

 

 I have seen it but passed too.I wish my Walmart had it on clearance



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:38 PM

 

 

JJ is a freaking idiot doing this.



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 09:37 PM

 

 

 

JJ is a freaking idiot doing this.

 

 

Don't let this get to ya too much.  This is a manufactured story cooked up by the media.  They've made the rounds asking multiple people involved in TFA the same question:  "Hey John Boyega, is it possible Finn is gay?", "Hey Oscar Issac, is it possible Poe is gay?", "Hey Mark Hamill, is it possible Luke is gay?", "Hey JJ Abrams, is it possible there will be a gay character in Star Wars?".  It's almost as if the media has an agenda.  Look for the same question to be asked of Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, and Nein Nunb soon!

 

And the responses are all the same, "Yeah, sure it's possible and I think it would be a great idea.  Ya know we live in a world now where blah blah blah....tolerance blah blah blah....acceptance blah blah.....".  And that's the answer they HAVE to give.  We've all seen what happens to people who dare to be anything less that 100% supportive of this stuff.  If social media gets wind of it, it's all over for you.






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