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Undertaker's Streak Is Now... *SPOILERS!*

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:09 PM

21-1

Brock Lesnar defeated Undertaker at WrestleMania 30 tonight to end 'Taker's streak.

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:23 PM

ugh. Can't believe WWE did that.

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:15 PM

Of all the people they could have him lose to...it had to be Lesnar?

Not only that, but Cena wins ONCE AGAIN. BLAH!

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:54 PM

What I really don't understand is why Lesnar? Why not let an up and coming talent do it? What does Lesnar gain from this? He probably won't even be around in another year. To top it all off, the match itself was BORING.

Sad way to see the Undertaker go down...

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:20 AM

i feel the same way, as did the fans! Did you see that reaction? Complete shock and disgust at Brock being picked as "The man to end the streak." To top it off it was an insult to those of us that have followed the Streak since the 90's. Not to mention in recent years.. you mean to tell me that Taker can come out on top after those four epic, and many say best matches in WWE history again HBK and Triple H.. yet Brock more or less gets a godamn squash match?! The match was sad to watch, mostly because you could hear Taker calling all the spots for it... So you know he's most likely the one that picked Brock to end his Legacy. The question I want to ask him and the WWE is..WHY?!

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:17 AM

View PostOrlock182, on 07 April 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

i feel the same way, as did the fans! Did you see that reaction? Complete shock and disgust at Brock being picked as "The man to end the streak." To top it off it was an insult to those of us that have followed the Streak since the 90's. Not to mention in recent years.. you mean to tell me that Taker can come out on top after those four epic, and many say best matches in WWE history again HBK and Triple H.. yet Brock more or less gets a godamn squash match?! The match was sad to watch, mostly because you could hear Taker calling all the spots for it... So you know he's most likely the one that picked Brock to end his Legacy. The question I want to ask him and the WWE is..WHY?!


I completely agree, what bothers me more is that it was Lesnar, the match itself was pretty boring last year's with Punk was miles better. They had the perfect ending with the second HHH one, with HBK as referee it should have ended there and Taker should have retired the winner. I'm starting to think there was some kind of mistake as Lesnar's music didn't play for a while and even the officials sounded and looked shocked. Who knows maybe I'm having a hard time accepting it.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:50 AM

This is my take.

It had to be Lesnar. The idea of having an up and comer end the streak sounds fine and dandy, but there are few that can live up to that. That would be a huge shadow lingering over their head for their career. And who's to say that up and comer would still be around in a few years. Then WWE would have ended the streak to some guy that didn't quite pan out. Lesnar has already done it all. Not to mention, he brought a some legitimacy to the fight. Brock has stood toe to toe with real fighters in the UFC. Yes, the match was ugly, and a bit on the boring side. But that wasn't all Brock's fault. Taker's cardio was clearly not where it needed to be. Brock held back at times. While past WM matches had been better, the timing wasn't quite right for Taker. With the first HBK match, they made it look like the streak could be ended. With HBK 2, Shawn was the one that was going to retire, so the streak wasn't going to end then. With Triple H, it was more to signify the end of the era, and fans would have had an even bigger fit if HHH had won, saying he was using his power within the company to get the win. Punk may have worked as far as storylines, but I honestly think Taker has a bit of dislike for Punk, and wasn't willing to put him over for that. That brings us to now. Taker is done. He showed up at Axxess out of character this weekend, signing autographs and meeting with fans. He never does this in his Deadman persona. Only when he was the American Badass. The writing was on the wall. Like I said earlier, Brock makes this seem like more of a legit fight. I really don't see how this can be considered a squash match. Lesnar was getting beat down for more than half the match. And it took three of his finishers to do the job. Not to mention Taker reversed the kimora lock. Taker went out fighting against a guy that is a legit fighter. Taker has nothing left to prove, but as long as the streak was alive, there would always be the question of next year. With it over now, Taker can retire, WWE can release a 'History of the Undertaker' DVD, and he can go into the Hall of Fame at next year's Mania. Bottom line, if Taker wasn't ready to hang it up, he would be 22-0 right now.

I personally believe the streak was a happy accident at first, and it eventually just got way out of hand. It became too big, and overshadowed the matches. The predictability of Taker winning took some of the fun out of his matches. Now, if the rumors of him and Sting hooking up at WM 31 end up being true, this will leave us with some mystery for that match. If it had been Sting/Taker with the streak still on the line, there would have been no doubt that Taker would have won. But I still think he is done, and these Sting rumors aren't going to amount to much of anything.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:03 AM

I was there in the dome and I have to say that I thought the place was going to come unglued when Taker lost.. But the talk is that Taker is done now and will be retiring soon.. It was still a shocker though.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:05 AM

Pretty much agree with everything Crimson Twins said.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:50 AM

I feel this way... If the Undertaker wanted out and wants to retire than either don't have the match with Lesnar and go out as 21-0 or beat Lesnar and go out as 22-0. Undertaker shouldn't lose to Lesnar who has the same type of schedule as the Undertaker. Lesnar does what? One Raw show per month and one pay-per-view every three months? If the Undertaker had to lose than WWE should have gone with their strengths and given the winning streak to an someone on the rise and push them to the next level as they did with Cena and now Bryan. I really think the WWE shot themselves in the foot with this decision...

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:57 AM

Definitely a shocker. I don’t like Taker losing his streak to Lesnar, but like CT said, who else is there? Cena's got a big enough legacy, but I think that would be a boring match and a bit of an odd pairing. I would have been happy with HHH ending it, but he came out for DB so that wouldn’t have worked either. Lesnar is a legit fighter and has done a lot in the past with the WWE, so in the end he was a suitable candidate. Who knows, maybe Taker chose Lesnar to be the one... the match got a little boring at times, but for the most part was enjoyable. Those are two hugeass men doing all that crazy stuff, so I'm sure that match was no day at the park for them. The shock on the face of all the fans alone was worth the outcome.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

Not to mention the amount of WWE Network subscriptions they will sell by having the Wrestlemania replay on the Network this week.

I think this boiled down to a money decision for the WWE with Undertaker's best interests considered and respected. Taker seems like a guy that has always been about the business first. He has been a leader in the locker room for over a decade now. He has been with the WWE during the high points, and was by their side during the low points. This has me thinking that Taker didn't want to leave his streak intact. I believe he wanted to lose as a way to end his career. I think he wanted to lose against someone that the rest of the world would say "yeah, I could see him beating Undertaker on a given night." Beating the streak isn't going to make or break a rising star. If the fans believe a guy is capable of being in the ring with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, that guy is already a big enough star. The up an comer idea wouldn't work because Taker wouldn't let some new punk kid come into his yard and show him up on the grandest stage without there being a need for retaliation. That storyline can't end at Wrestlemania. That storyline has to progress past Wrestlemania. OR, that storyline needs months to build up to Wrestlemania, establishing a story and relationship between Taker and the up an comer that makes it believable that the guy stands a chance against Taker. And quite frankly, I don't think Taker has that left in him. The tank is nearly empty. Notice he didn't try his vintage over the top rope jump last night? With the condition he's in now, that move might have killed him if something went wrong.

To me, this does nothing to tarnish his legacy, or that of the streak. If anything, this adds to the legitimacy of the streak. It makes it more believable that he very well could have lost any one of those 21 other matches. It makes him look stronger that he only lost the one, especially if that one is the last of his career. And if it isn't his last Mania, it takes the pressure off of him and the company for his future opponents. Now he could very well have a match with someone that perhaps he feels he wants to give a rub to, and there is no pressure on the guy to beat the streak. They can have a great match, Taker can still win, and the guy comes away still looking good having gone toe to toe with Taker. Fans would be more invested because now that they know Taker can lost at Mania, there is more mystery brought back into the equation.

Undertaker is a 100% professional, and he did what legends are supposed to do at the end. He had someone put him away to cement his legacy and push the company forward. No one will come close to the streak again. Even a guy like Cena would now have to win 19 straight now just to tie it. Do you really think even Cena will be winning Mania matches 19 years from now?

I was just as shocked as almost anyone else last night when I heard the ref count 3. But, almost instantly, I saw the logic behind it. Not everyone gets it, but I'm pretty sure this is exactly what Undertaker wanted. The pressure is gone. The boots don't have to be laced up anymore. The hat can be hung on the wall. The coat can be put away. Thanks to Taker for giving us all one last ride.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:38 AM

View PostFUGAYZIE, on 07 April 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

Definitely a shocker. I don’t like Taker losing his streak to Lesnar, but like CT said, who else is there? Cena's got a big enough legacy, but I think that would be a boring match and a bit of an odd pairing. I would have been happy with HHH ending it, but he came out for DB so that wouldn’t have worked either. Lesnar is a legit fighter and has done a lot in the past with the WWE, so in the end he was a suitable candidate. Who knows, maybe Taker chose Lesnar to be the one... the match got a little boring at times, but for the most part was enjoyable. Those are two hugeass men doing all that crazy stuff, so I'm sure that match was no day at the park for them. The shock on the face of all the fans alone was worth the outcome.


Could you imagine what would have happened if it had been Cena to end the streak? Or HHH for that matter? Smarks already ride those two guys about how they are only out to make themselves look good. Had either one ended the streak, I think there would have been a riot.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:44 PM

If the Sting rumors turn out to be true,that's who they should have gotten to end the Streak.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:06 PM

View Posthamsterboy, on 07 April 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

If the Sting rumors turn out to be true,that's who they should have gotten to end the Streak.

that would've been cool, but that may have taken yet another year. i dont think taker's got that much time left. i think he's done.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:38 PM

I think Stephanie and Vince and HHH realized they needed a big match and huge news to make this event historical and Undertaker losing and retiring was it. Because the wwe title match was not enough and they need subscribers for wwe network. I think of this as jumping the shark or a lifeline or that special crystal from Superman's mom in Superman 4.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

The difference is that this is real life and I don't know if that is enough to get enough wwe subscribers for wwe network. I just want to see undertaker give his farewell speech tonight on RAW and see him go into the Hall of Fame next year.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:43 PM

I know one thing I will buy Wrestlemania 30 on dvd when it gets released.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:13 PM

Let the conspiracy theories start to fly.. Someone forwarded this to me..

http://huzlers.com/u...ipt-will-fired/

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:17 PM

View PostCyber Bishop, on 07 April 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Let the conspiracy theories start to fly.. Someone forwarded this to me..

http://huzlers.com/u...ipt-will-fired/


Wow! If that is true it is basically an f u to the WWE by Brock Lesnar. Wow!

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:30 PM

My first thought when I was watching was when Taker was watching Lesner in one of his UFC fights which he lost and when Lesner passed by Taker during an interview, Taker looked at him and asked, "Wanna do it?"

I think Taker knew who he wanted to lose to and kept his word. Just 4 years later, Taker is not in the best wrestling shape as he was before.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:30 PM

Yeah, I saw that rumor before. But that seems more like a story that was made up to get more clicks to the site. All other accounts have Brock going over as the official finish. Some have said it was even leaked about an hour before the show, and that the Vegas odds shifted due to the leak in Brock's favor. Vegas doesn't like to lose money, so my bet is they knew what was up and Brock was indeed set to win from the get go.

As far as grabbing subscribers, this will lead to a nice boost, but even without it, the network is going strong at over 600,000 in little over one month's time. That number is just here in the states as they have not yet released the network in the UK, Australia, and many other big WWE markets worldwide. They only needed 1,000,000 subscribers to break even on the network, and that number seems very likely by at least the end of the year.

Now, while I really like Sting, and think he is a legend in this business, I don't think anything would have been gained by him breaking the streak. The rumors are that if they can talk Taker into this match with Sting for next year, it will be the last match for both of them. Having Sting end the streak only to retire himself would be a huge waste. Even if Brock is still on a part time schedule (which speculation has him wrestling something more along the lines of full time now, and possibly getting a World title run later in the year), at least he is still going to be on the show some of the time to benefit from a huge win like this. I really think this is a much better situation for the Sting match now that Taker has lost. These two icons can go at it, and the crowd won't be bored because they already know the outcome.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

View PostRockuto, on 07 April 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

My first thought when I was watching was when Taker was watching Lesner in one of his UFC fights which he lost and when Lesner passed by Taker during an interview, Taker looked at him and asked, "Wanna do it?"

I think Taker knew who he wanted to lose to and kept his word. Just 4 years later, Taker is not in the best wrestling shape as he was before.



That is the word that is going around. Taker knew he wanted to lose to Brock back in 2010, and felt this was the right time to make it happen.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 03:11 PM

I felt the same way Crimson. I commented on wrestlingfigs.com pretty much everything you said. PLUS...Taker respects the hell out of the UFC. Losing to a former champ of that is respect in UT's eyes.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 03:20 PM

View PostMatthew Green, on 07 April 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

I felt the same way Crimson. I commented on wrestlingfigs.com pretty much everything you said. PLUS...Taker respects the hell out of the UFC. Losing to a former champ of that is respect in UT's eyes.


And it should be considered respect. Just because WWE has done a horrible job booking Lesnar as of late, should take nothing away from the fact that he is a monster of a man. He has done it all at every level. Collegiate champ, WWE undisputed champ, UFC Champ. Those are high accolades for anyone. Just getting to one of those levels is a feat in itself. Let alone all three.

I feel the build up to this match was done very wrong by WWE. They made Brock look weak until the very last week before Mania. I would have had them trading weeks all the way from the time it was announced until the show. Make Brock a believable monster again. Because regardless of his accolades, the WWE universe is very much about the here and now, and they made Brock look like he didn't stand a chance going into that match. That could have worked better if Brock was a weaker guy that was using the underdog role. But calling him a beast over and over, and then having him get man handled by Taker week after week just didn't help him any. I think many of the fans were shocked the match ended the way it did because Brock was booked as a whiney baby. I'd say at least 90% of fans were sure this was going to be another win for Taker, and many were bored with the match after the first 5 minutes because they were so sure of the outcome there was no drama there to build on.

But what do I know? I'm just a fan.

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