[Hordak Rules]

If this is true, then Jeph Loeb should die thousand deaths:

http://sciencefictio...-disassembling/

[hamsterboy]

I thought it was already set in the Ultimate universe? Isn't that why Nick Fury is black instead of white?

[ensign]

Hordak Rules, on 18 April 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

If this is true, then Jeph Loeb should die thousand deaths:

http://sciencefictio...-disassembling/

If thats true, it really sucks. AEMH introduced me to the Avengers and the broder Marvel Univeres. Before hand I was strictly a DC guy because it has so many shows especially the Bruce Timm AU. Marvel really needed something like that to introduce the Avengers to a broder audience. They did that with AEMH. If they are cancelling it to put them in the Ultimate Spiderman universe, I understand, but they should have put the Ultimate Spiderman in the Avengers Universe. They should keep the same voice actors. In regards to the story arc versus stand alone episodes, I prefer an arc. It allows them to tell a better story.

[yojoebro82]

Wow, that is lame.

Personally, I love serialized shows. It makes me feel like what I'm watching now matters in the long run, that stories are actually building towards something rather than everything going back to status quo next episode. When I hear Loeb say stuff like "we know people are busy and sometimes miss an episode and we don't want them to feel left out" (boo-hoo), what it really means is "we know our audience has no attention span and we want to dumb this down as much as possible".

But it makes sense. This is what happens to good cartoons. Whereas those based mindlessly on Japanese card games get season after season.

[mako]

Well, this does mesh with what we've been hearing about the new Hulk toon and how it shares key voice talent with Ultimate Spidey (a show trying desperately to be the next Teen Titans). Looks like they're trying to build themselves a new Marvel Animated Universe. Just to bad they have to sacrifice a good show to do it.

[BigBot84]

Jeph Loeb is going to ruin a great thing Marvel has going on.

[Eric]

BigBot84, on 18 April 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Jeph Loeb is going to ruin a great thing Marvel has going on.

That's what it sounds like to me. They can never leave well enough alone. I don't care for anything he had to say in that linked article.

Part of what makes Young Justice so outstanding is the continuing arc. Children's shows have standalone episodes. If you want to appeal to adults (you know, the ones buying all those movie tickets and comic books), you need to give them more. And it's not like it's hard to follow if you miss an episode or two or three.

It sounds like he wants to put his handprints all over everything, and the simple fact that this started before he took over is reason enough for him to change it. D-bag.

[Pharmacoviper]

Sadness. This was my favorite cartoon show out there. The second season started out so well, with Dr. Doom being a formidable menace for the first time in a long while and the threat of the Skrull invasion looming.

I guess Avengers will join the graveyard of cartoons that I wish lasted longer:
- Exo-Squad (I wanted to see the Neo-Sapiens and humans band together to fight that new alien menace)
- Battletech (series ended on a cliffhanger)
- The Big O (would have loved to see what happened in the rebooted universe)
- Samurai Jack (would have been nice to see Jack finally make it back)
- Masters of the Universe (I wanted to see where the show would go with the Horde)
- Transformers Animated (there was an entire season mapped out according to producers)
- SymBionic Titan (so many unanswered questions...)
- Thundercats (well, there are rumors of it being cancelled...)

Don't die Young Justice! You're the only show (that I watch) left! I'm even starting to warm up to Superboy, M'Gann, and even Kid Flash...

PharmV

[hamsterboy]

What I don't get is if Loeb doesn't like story arcs and what not,why did he work on Smallville?

[Doom Saber]

yojoebro82, on 18 April 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Wow, that is lame.

Personally, I love serialized shows. It makes me feel like what I'm watching now matters in the long run, that stories are actually building towards something rather than everything going back to status quo next episode. When I hear Loeb say stuff like "we know people are busy and sometimes miss an episode and we don't want them to feel left out" (boo-hoo), what it really means is "we know our audience has no attention span and we want to dumb this down as much as possible".

But it makes sense. This is what happens to good cartoons. Whereas those based mindlessly on Japanese card games get season after season.

I agree that the "miss an episode" agrument is idiotic especially with digital distribution like itunes, devices like TiVo, and services like Netflix. Even Youtube has the micro episodes to watch that are legally uploaded by the company.

I think the mindlessly Japanese card games are popular because they appeal to a much younger audience and the show helps sell the merchandise. The Avengers cartoon, on the other hand, is aimed at a older demographics and has no official toyline.

[Hordak Rules]

Doom Saber, on 18 April 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

I agree that the "miss an episode" agrument is idiotic especially with digital distribution like itunes, devices like TiVo, and services like Netflix. Even Youtube has the micro episodes to watch that are legally uploaded by the company.

Being in Canada, I have zero idea of when Avengers actually airs here, however that doesn't stop me from getting the episodes and watching them and from buying the discs when they're released. They should be supporting the well written, well designed show that they have. Not cancelling it and putting out lesser crap that will be cancelled quicker then the first show.

[CLAM]

Jeph Loeb is sounding like a complete dumbass here.. and he seems intent to ruin a perfectly great show in order to dumb it down for other stupid people.

Really, if you miss some episodes you can't watch the show anymore? Here is an easy solve to that, put 20 seconds of "Previously on Avengers:" before each episode.

And he is the guy behind Ultimate Spiderman??? probably the lowest quality marvel cartoon produced in 20 years. nice.

[revsears]

This has been the best marvel toon ever produced IMO. (Spectacular spider-man follows closely which was also canceled, then the 90's spidey and x-men) It's so disheartening. Here is hoping they keep the same continuity and just pull a Justice League unlimited. Flash it forward a few years and go from there. I'd really prefer they just leave it as is. I honestly prefer the show over the marvel movie verse!

[Marvel_Joe_Spider]

Man this is ridiculous

[CLAM]

revsears, on 18 April 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

I'd really prefer they just leave it as is. I honestly prefer the show over the marvel movie verse!

dude.. me too! I like this show better than the Marvel movies... what a bummer

[yojoebro82]

Doom Saber, on 18 April 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

I agree that the "miss an episode" agrument is idiotic especially with digital distribution like itunes, devices like TiVo, and services like Netflix. Even Youtube has the micro episodes to watch that are legally uploaded by the company.

I think the mindlessly Japanese card games are popular because they appeal to a much younger audience and the show helps sell the merchandise. The Avengers cartoon, on the other hand, is aimed at a older demographics and has no official toyline.

Right, with the age we live in, it's NEVER been easier to catch up on a show you missed. The most difficult thing my be in deciding WHICH option to go with. And since it is aimed at adults, you'd think someone would trust an adult's ability to find a way to just catch up if they want to . Or do CLAM's option and have a "previously on Avengers" lead-in.

Complete BS.

[mako]

I'm not gonna argue the merrit of the Avengers 'toon. Frankly, I had a few problems with it, and don't really watch it regularly.

The fact still remains it's here, it's now, it's successful. It was well thought out and almost perfectly executed, not to mention tied into a major motion picture. To p--s all that away just for the sake of a new take is bad business, and its stupid. Especially when that take is built around a Teen Titans knock-off, glorified Spider-parody (Spider-Cycle!?! REALLY?) that's barely been around a few weeks.

[Belmont13]

Is this rumor turns out to be true I'm gonna be very disappointed, I've been seeing this series in Netflix and have been enjoying it a lot. It 's one of the best series Marvel has put out and what was best about it was that both longtime comic book fans as well as casual viewers could get into it. When Jeph Loeb was first announced as head of animation I didn't mind since it might have kept him from writing comic books but now he might even ruin this show. I agree the explanation is stupid, it's assuming that people are not resourceful enough to stay informed of a series if they missed an episode, what he should have said was"we're capitalizing on the success and following of our best series in years and use it to shove a lesser series down everyone's throat.

[Superpowers1980]

I look forward to three cartoons a week, Young Justice, Thundercats and the Avengers, so this is a real bummer.

I do take offense to some of the comments here, Just because a show has stand alone episodes does not mean it is dumbed down for an audience. I don't always want or need a story arc, I loved them in Justice League but tired of them in X-Men (90's). Sometimes I just want to pick up a DVD and watch a stand alone show. Self contained episodes are just as good and doesn't make a show dumber than those with story arcs.

Avengers it he best Marvel show since the 90's X-Men and Spider man, hope this news isn't true.

[slao]

Superpowers1980, on 19 April 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Avengers it he best Marvel show since the 90's X-Men and Spider man, hope this news isn't true.

Indeed, Avengers reminds me of how good the Justice League series was too, especially when focusing on a whole team. Whether you're a long-time comic fan or new to the characters, this cartoon is great for any fan. I hope this news isn't true, because there are very few great cartoons around anymore, Thundercats and Young Justice being the others we have left.

I was really looking forward to the Spider-Man cartoon that preceded Avengers, but since its premiere that cartoon hasn't shown any signs of improvement. I like the animation style and the appearances of characters like White Tiger and Thundra, but I just can't take the constant need to throw that stupid 'teen angst' narration and the unfunny, hyper-active skits at you. Ultimate Spider-man sucks, simple as that. If that is the course the Marvel Universe cartoon block is going to follow, I'm not tuning in...I'll stick with DC Nation instead.

[CLAM]

Superpowers1980, on 19 April 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Self contained episodes are just as good and doesn't make a show dumber than those with story arcs.

How can a self-contained episode be just as good when you can only get 22 minutes worth of story? There is absolutely no room for drama, mystery, character development, or any kind of depth whatsoever.


Self contained episodes are stupid and formulaic. I have recently been reading all of the Marvel Universe since the silver age, which started with Fantastic Four #1. I have read almost 3 years into it and pretty much every issue is self-contained.. and you know what, it's BORING because there is nothing to it.

Here is what happens and what we can expect. A villain comes along to do something bad for a simple reason. The hero/heroes meet them and are briefly beaten. The heroes think of a clever way to defeat the villain. the end. every frickin time! lol

[featofstrength]

CLAM, on 19 April 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

How can a self-contained episode be just as good when you can only get 22 minutes worth of story? There is absolutely no room for drama, mystery, character development, or any kind of depth whatsoever.


Self contained episodes are stupid and formulaic. I have recently been reading all of the Marvel Universe since the silver age, which started with Fantastic Four #1. I have read almost 3 years into it and pretty much every issue is self-contained.. and you know what, it's BORING because there is nothing to it.

Here is what happens and what we can expect. A villain comes along to do something bad for a simple reason. The hero/heroes meet them and are briefly beaten. The heroes think of a clever way to defeat the villain. the end. every frickin time! lol

so...not a fan of Batman TAS I take it?

[spystreak]

great first Wolverine and the X-men now AEMH this is complete Bull crap

[jahue]

I think arc and self contained can work together. I think it is always nice to have an all encompassing storyline for a season, but that should not mean that you cannot have a few episodes that stray from that arc during the season. I think this is the best method to keep things fresh and exciting

[Doom Saber]

jahue, on 19 April 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

I think arc and self contained can work together. I think it is always nice to have an all encompassing storyline for a season, but that should not mean that you cannot have a few episodes that stray from that arc during the season. I think this is the best method to keep things fresh and exciting

Agreed since it worked well for a couple anime series such as Cowboy Bebop and Saliormoon. I think the X-Men TAS and Justice League series went this route as well.