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  1. Thanks for posting the picture Sisco. I can now see that the mouth area is definitely different, and that the finals are different, so I was wrong. The distance between the lips and the chin, and the lips and the nose is much shorter on X-23, when compared to Warbird, and as mentioned before, X-23’s nose is a bit upturned. X-23’s head seems to be smaller overall when compared to Warbird, which is odd. Perhaps a scaling issue, but that still wouldn’t explain the ears or the nose. I do think that the pictures I posted do prove that the prototypes of both figures did have the same head sculpt, but somewhere down the line X-23’s changed. Which is weird since if they had to change one of the head sculpts I would change Warbird’s as it doesn’t look like the character, while the sculpt looks pretty good on X-23. Regardless I’m sorry for wasting anyone’s time. While browsing http://marvellegends.net/ I noticed that Elektra and Black Cat also seem to have the same head sculpt, which I know is a can of worms, but I couldn’t help myself, and had to mention it. On an entirely different subject, does anyone else think that Banshee’s current head sculpt would be a great base for an Arcade custom? The X-Men/Spider-Man villain that kidnaps people, and then traps them in his killer amusement park called Murder World. I always wanted a figure of him.
  2. I like #1.. well, because its the hottest... I remember when I was little and read comics with her in it.. I couldn't believe my eyes! Wow looking at that website just makes me think that I really hate Dave Cortez work. Go to the website http://marvellegends.net/ click on year book, and then click on a picture of figure to see who sculpted it. I hate pretty much every thing he made except Iron Man, Colossus, and the Sentinel. As for the best sculptor I’d have to say Phil Ramirez, as everything he puts out is usually dead on. Anyway I won’t get into the same sculpt issue any more; however I would like to point out how similar the jaws and mouths look on all the figures done by Dave Cortez. translation = I know I am wrong.. but for some reason, still can't admit it. I know that if I just said, woops, I am wrong, everybody would be okay and forgive me.. but I would rather act like a little brat! just kidding with you man.. @lol@ First, let me say that I’m 19, and will be 20 years old in about a mouth. Second, why do you continue to attack me after I already dropped the issue? I already posted all the evidence and research I could think of on the subject, and until new evidence comes to light, that’s all I can think of to say on the issue. So unless you post some new evidence, like close up high resolution head shot pictures of both X-23 and Warbird, with their heads tilted at the same angle, I suggest you drop the issue as well.
  3. Wow looking at that website just makes me think that I really hate Dave Cortez work. Go to the website http://marvellegends.net/ click on year book, and then click on a picture of figure to see who sculpted it. I hate pretty much every thing he made except Iron Man, Colossus, and the Sentinel. As for the best sculptor I’d have to say Phil Ramirez, as everything he puts out is usually dead on. Anyway I won’t get into the same sculpt issue any more; however I would like to point out how similar the jaws and mouths look on all the figures done by Dave Cortez.
  4. Wow you didn’t have break your figures to prove me wrong. I mean you just wasted like $20. Hopefully you can reattach it later, like with super glue or something. Anyway as petty as it sounds I will still not concede the point, and continue to insist that X-23 and Warbird have the same head sculpt. Note that in the picture you posted, it shows that Warbird’s head is made up of three different pieces, and that X-23’s head is made up of at least two pieces. The back head piece on Warbird doesn’t have ears, while the one on X-23 does. I also notice that their profiles are the same. Here are some of your pictures that I modified to better show the seams between the pieces on the figures heads, and their profiles. In the profile pictures I rotated X-23’s head so that it would be at a closer angle to Warbird. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...rbird-006-2.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...ead-compare.jpg What still isn’t explained though is why X-23’s head look’s overall smaller than Warbird’s head. Hence I submit this evidence: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...3fixedsize6.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-006.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-of-.jpg These are both blue background prototype pictures of X-23 and Warbird, taken by Toy Biz themselves. Notice how X-23’s chin isn’t at her chest, coving up her neck in the prototype, but is in the final figure. Therefore I think that the final retail X-23’s neck joint is too small and based on their profiles in your pictures; it looks like X-23’s head is also slightly under scaled when compared to Warbird. Now I’ll analyze the prototype pictures similarities. I recommend saving this picture, as it is hard to see the lines when not zoomed in. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...parison-ana.jpg Warbird’s head is a repaint of X-23’s head, with a different back head piece, that doesn’t have ears. Then to nail the point home, I made these GIF images: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...044/X-23gif.gif http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...Warbird-gif.gif In the gif images I rotated the head on X-23 to better match the angle on Warbird. Notice how the features on their faces are in the same location. That’s because they have the same head sculpt. Just incase you want to see a comparison between the prototypes and the finals I made this picture too: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...nal-compare.jpg Although the paint jobs are worse, the heads are otherwise the same as the prototypes. I want to address the same sculptor theory one more time. Which of these scenarios is more likely to happen? Scenario A: Toy Biz and or Hasbro hire a sculptor to make two completely different figures. The sculptor starts from scratch on both figures, but when they’re done the figures look like each others doppelgangers. Toy Biz and or Hasbro however are totally cool with this, release both figures anyway, and pay the sculptor their commission fees on both figures without any objection. Scenario B: Toy Biz and or Hasbro want to make a figure of a new character, but they either don’t have enough money in their budget, or don’t think the character is popular enough to justify a new sculpt. Instead they take a sculpt of a figure already made, that they think looks close enough to the new character, repaint or change a few minor details about the figure, then release it and hope that people won’t care or notice, and buy it anyway. On a side note I heard that the average commission a sculptor gets for sculpting a new figure is $20,000, although I would imagine that the price for sculpting just a head would be a bit cheaper. That’s just what I heard though, that number could be a lot higher or lower. Regardless, keep that information in mind while answering the question. If answered Scenario B, you are correct. Although Scenario A is possible it is very unlikely, because a sculptor making the same sculpt for two different figures would either, catch themselves before they turn in the sculpts, or have legal action taken against them for turning in the same sculpt for two different projects, and the sculpts would never get released do to the court case. Well that’s all I can think of to say on the subject. I’m tired of defending my observation about the figures, which I know to be true. I also think that I have submitted enough evidence, that other people can now make an accurate judgment on the situation and decide on their own who is right.
  5. If they make one in 6 or 7 inch scale that figures can ride in, I’ll buy it.
  6. I think the hercules face is just sculpted by the same guy who did Thing. Why go through the time consuming task of Resculpting the forehead, a new nose, filling in the rocks, making a beard, and making hair when you can sculpt an entire head almost as fast. Also Jesse Falcon said theres no such thing as a retool. Every figure has a unique tool made for it. It may reuse parts and sculpts to make a new tool but theres no way to retool a tool. LOL. As for Warbird and X-23 having the same face I don't see it at all. The black X-23 and Warbird have totally different chins, noses, eyesize and Warbirds forhead seems about a millimeter taller than X-23s. If you meant the purple face post a comparison pic I don't have a purple X-23 to compare Warbird to. Anyway So far Hercules looks the best of the bunch, can't wait to see these figs at SDCC. It doesn’t matter what it’s called, in the end it’s still taking one figure’s already released head, modifying it a little bit, then releasing it on a different figure and hope that no one notices. It’s a cheep tactic, used to save money, which leads to figures with poor likenesses, and should not be encouraged in any way. Why would a sculptor make every figure he does have the same head sculpt? Wouldn’t that get him fired? Why does Thing and Hercules have the same square head shape? How come Thing and Hercules’s mouth, lower lip, and sides of mouth are exactly the same length, shape, and spot on both their faces? Why is it that Thing and Hercules’s eyes are in the same spot, and are the same distance apart from the nose? I’ll tell you why, because Hercules is sporting a modified Thing head sculpt, that’s why. This is the last post I’ll do on the subject until more pictures of Hercules come out. The X-23 and Warbird comparison was harder then it had to be, since I don’t have a Warbird figure yet. So for the comparison I mainly used images from this website: http://www.mwctoys.com/ and a ToyFare cover with X-23 on it. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...-comparison.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...-color-swap.jpg Anyway the first picture shows a line up of three X-23 figures and one Warbird figure, to show how similar the faces look. In the second picture, using Photoshop I repainted each figures face to make them resemble the other figure more. Now I didn’t do a very good job on Warbird as it was hard getting the skin tone to match, but I think that considering how much X-23 looks like a dead ringer for Warbird while wearing her mask, I think it still proves my point. The only thing the least bit different about the figures is that X-23’s eyebrows seem to stick out a little bit more.
  7. Which ones are retools? For the most part they didn't come off that way to me.....apart from Banshee, but he has a really basic suit so there really wasn't any need for a new mold for him. Planet Hulk is a retool of War Hulk from Hulk Classics 2. Emma Frost is a retool of Invisible Woman from Fantastic Four Classics 2 Hercules’s head is a retool of Thing from Fantastic Four Classics 1, his body is probably new, but the arms look familiar. Banshee’s body has been used before on a lot of figures, and I can’t remember exactly where it was first used, but it’s a retool. Movie Beast’s head looks familiar, and so does his pants, I still can’t place it though. I guess I exaggerated when I said they were all retools, as Ultimate Iron Man and Annihilus are new sculpts, although the Tony Stark head on Iron Man looks like a retool of the Tony head on Hulkbuster Iron Man. I'm sorry, but no way is the Hercules head a retool of Thing. For whatever other reused parts, the headsculpts in this wave are going to be new. Can anyone give me an example of a reused head in ML? And don't try to use Scorpion and Havok because Jesse Falcon already said they were different sculpts, just a really similar facial expression. And I think the Emma body looks more like Scarlet Witch than FFC Sue. Look at the legs, I'm pretty sure Sue has different hip joints. Hercule’s head is a total Thing retool. Here’s a comparison shot I made: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB...-comparison.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/ROB.../Thing-glue.jpg All they did was remove the brow and fill in the rocks on Thing and put new hair on Hercules, which is very the definition of a retool. As for when Toy Biz last used the same head sculpt on two figures, how about X-23 and Warbird? All they did was paint a mask on her face. What I meant about the Emma Frost figure is that it has the same head and hair as the Invisible Woman , however you are right and it is the same body as Scarlet Witch.
  8. Which ones are retools? For the most part they didn't come off that way to me.....apart from Banshee, but he has a really basic suit so there really wasn't any need for a new mold for him. Planet Hulk is a retool of War Hulk from Hulk Classics 2. Emma Frost is a retool of Invisible Woman from Fantastic Four Classics 2 Hercules’s head is a retool of Thing from Fantastic Four Classics 1, his body is probably new, but the arms look familiar. Banshee’s body has been used before on a lot of figures, and I can’t remember exactly where it was first used, but it’s a retool. Movie Beast’s head looks familiar, and so does his pants, I still can’t place it though. I guess I exaggerated when I said they were all retools, as Ultimate Iron Man and Annihilus are new sculpts, although the Tony Stark head on Iron Man looks like a retool of the Tony head on Hulkbuster Iron Man.
  9. Wow these really suck; they are all really bad retools. All the head sculpts are awful. Marvel Select Ultimate Iron Man owns this one. Hercules has a retooled Thing head! Banshee looks like he is 8 years old. I know these are prototypes and that they don’t come out until early next year, but the fact remains that right now they look awful and Hasbro should not have shown them because it will give people a negative first impression of the line. By the way, even though I subscribe to Toy Fare I never seem to get the magazine until three weeks after it’s out on news stands, so I appreciate the pictures being posted.
  10. Awesome job! Excellent color, great painting, nice cape. Perfect Batman. I love the figure.
  11. The article seems to indicate that the license still hasn’t been sold, which is interesting. My main question at this point is that if some bought the rights to make figures of the classic designs, would they also have to make figures of the new designs, or are the licenses sold separately? I ask because a company might be hesitant to buy both licenses, since the new designs probably suck, and toys based on them probably wouldn’t sell. I hope SOTA or DC Direct buys the rights, as they probably wouldn’t screw it up. I want the line to be 6 inch scale, each figure to have a minimum of 14 points of articulation, and for the line to have vehicles and playsets, like the Thundertank and Cat’s Lair. If they did that I’d buy every Thundercats product that the company put out.
  12. I agree that Batman needs a new head sculpt. I really hate the eyes. I also agree that he needs to be a darker blue, and that they need to drop the shadow on his face. I’d like to add that I think the ears are too short for an 80’s Batman, and he needs to have a ball jointed head. I have to say that I really like the sculpt on the body though. It looks like it would be really fun to play with. I think Earth 2 Huntress looks pretty good, but yes her torso is twisted, and preposed figures are always annoying. Dr. Light 2 looks decent, but the likeness on the head sculpt seems questionable. I’m no expert on the character though. Weaponer of Qward and Superboy of Earth Prime are both wasted slots. I read the entire Crisis on Infinite Earths saga graphic novel two years ago, and I don’t remember Qward at all. So why would I want to buy him? Exactly. Superboy of Earth Prime should be in the re-activated line instead. I would go into a list of who should be made instead, but I don’t feel like looking up how to spell all their names. One last thing I’d like to point out about this lines notice how bad the paint apps are on all the figures. This says to me that the figures are still really early, so we shouldn’t be TOO hard on them. Also what’s up with 13 inch Aquaman? The head sculpt is awful, it looks nothing like Aquaman. It looks like Jimmy Olsen! It’s crazy. Since when is Aquaman’s shirt gold? It’s always orange. They need to retool this thing a whole lot for me to buy it.
  13. Well we know that a new Thundercats TV show is going to premiere in the fall on Kid’s WB, and of course it there will be an accompany toy line. What we don’t know is who has the rights for the toy line but if I had to guess, I’d say Mattel, based on how chummy chummy they are with Warner Brothers. What I need to know before I decide if I’ll collect the line is will they keep the same costume and character designs as the original show? Will the figures be six inch scale and have at least 12 points of articulation? These are deal breakers for me. Anyway, most of these questions should be answered at toy fair in February.
  14. Wow the new season is starting pretty quick. I remember that it was like a two year wait between Justice League season 1 and 2. I guess they picked up the pace. Thanks for the head’s up.
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    Sorry I really didn’t know which of the two was the writer and which was the artiest, so I took a guess. I suppose I should have researched it more before posting.
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