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  1. Man, this is one of those threads where things get heated, but in between some of the bountiful BS, there is some good information. I'm not cool with all the comments about fan-boys and whiners, but there are some decent ideas being expressed here too. I've got a few points of my own to add. Take 'em or leave 'em... 1) Fandom is all about passion. Whether it's sports fandom, music fandom, political fandom - it's a passionate pursuit of something that a person finds interesting and cares enough about to invest their emotions, time, and resources in. At the core, that's why any major change to Joe is going to be met with heated responses. It's no different than when a football team looses a major player or when the lead singer of a band quits and is replaced. People have invested something of themselves in their fandom for that entity (which in itself can be argued, but that's another discussion entirely). ANY change is going to be met by resistance, or at least by vigorous expression of opinions. How that passion is expressed and whether the expression is positive or negative can be debated, but the passion itself is the very thing that makes a person a "fan". It comes with the territory. 2) Arrow: "There's nothing wrong with either point of view, yet people INSIST on making it a polarity." AMEN Instead of letting folks express themselves (or trying to challenge them in a constructive, communicative way) it always degrades into an "us vs. them" fight, or just flat out mudslinging. Usually it starts with someone's less than insightful comment on someone else's remark (or their mom, or their favorite toy, or whatever) and then everbody starts forming up lines and taking shots. Then, you get people who get off by expressing things they'd never have the ability to do in real life. Instead of everyone being civil to one another, things get petty and insulting because they feel safe making extreme statements, since there's really no consequence. As a result, a lot of feelings are overstated - or stated in a way that's meant to incite. Now don't take me wrong - I'm not saying we should all hold hands and sing the same tune - just that it only takes a few dimwit flamers to ruin any conversation. You bring that into an emotionally charged - passionate subject, (any subject in fandom) and you're bound to have problems. 3) It's my belief that one reason 3 3/4 inch fans are particularly upset is that with the last few years of Joe and now Sigma 6, Hasbro is repeating some very unpleasant history. This is all ground that's been crossed before a decade or so back, and fans who've been through it the first time are feeling the old pain right alongside these new wounds. Twice now we've watched a line of toys we love go from military cool to neon comic book freaksville, then watched it waste away. Twice we've seen the line start kissing butt to every lame toy trend on the market instead of sticking with the directions and principles that clearly work. It feels like the same slap in the face all over again, so the negative reaction is heightened by all that old baggage. 4) Hasbro didn't handle any of these changes in a way that was sincerely respectful of fans, and they haven't improved and supported the DTC line enough to convince us it really is a collectors' line (especially since it's obvious the toys are sloppy seconds from what was going to be their next retail theme). Even if the Big H really is doing the best it can, there have been so many half-truths and corporate spin jobs in the last few years that it's hard to embrace anything they say at face value. Hasbro's got some real problems with it's customer relations with the fans and the lack of confidence in the company is showing in the anti-Sigma anger.
  2. JayC, I see what you're saying, but for me, this discussion is just fun and a way to vent some of the frustrations I've felt about a hobby I love. As for the "what might have been" aspect, you're free to not care. Others are free to debate and examine it. This is a time of big change for a lot of people who love the hobby and some of them are inclined to hash it out in the same way they'd go over any other subject they care about. You might be surprised to hear that I actually LIKE a lot of the directions taken with Sigma Six and enjoyed the cartoon today immensely. For me, it was almost as good as some of the other non-spazzy anime I enjoy and close enough to the Joe I love that I was really glad I watched it. The Dreadnoks and Zartan scenes were perfect, and if the show had that level of drama and character throughout, it would be great - Joe or not. I watched about 10 minutes of Turtles before Joe came on and was wishing I'd get something even close with Sigma. To my utter surprise, I did. I'd just like it all BETTER if the 3 3/4 inch scale toys were still in stores, where they'd finally enjoy the benefit of full media support (and the success that could come from it). As a fan, it kind of bums me out they they're not going to get that chance.
  3. You speak the truth. It is SOOOOO painfully obvious that the cartoon was meant to go with the 3 3/4 inch toys. It makes me sick. Heck, the new sigma toys don't even look like their TV counterparts, yet so much of the show is already molded and being sold in sweet 18th scale plastic. I bet if we looked into Hasbro's design sketches for the "Rise of the BATS" Joes, we'd be seeing figures that look a lot like the ones in the cartoon. Heck, many of them are already here. Just go to the DTC site. They could slap Sigma 6 on a lot of this new stuff and it would be a perfect fit for the show. Perfect. That's not a coincidence, it was the original plan. This cartoon was meant to promote and tie into our small joes, and well into production, someone got the brainstorm to switch gears to this new scale. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see we got the shaft. It all fits... the BAT uprising rumour (verified in the plot on today's episode of the cartoon), the 3 3/4 inch vehicles and figures that match the show perfectly (except for paint schemes, but that's easy to change). I know a whole host of people are going to shoot me down (cause they love this new scale and love is blind), but this is what it was meant to be. Oh, what might have been...
  4. Well, actually...my theory was more suggesting of Hasbro not giving the fans enough credit, than me not giving the fans credit. In regards to the question of "do Hasbro people post here" I was suggesting that they might, but wouldn't make it known, and then of course I added in the fact of some increases in 'newbies" recently, and suggested (again) they could be Hasbro reps, planting themselves HERE to give more positive reactions to all the new Sigma Six stuff, in order to drown out the naysayers like myself...just ever so slighty moreso. It's all in good humor, and not to be taken TOO seriously, but nevertheless...it's quite possible, right? I don't think "quality" was ever an issue for me. They could be constructed better than any toy out there, and made with the most expensive "quality" of plastic to be found, and they would still LOOK like crap to me. It's the whole ball of wax regarding how they were promoted and 3 3/4" Joes were relegated to online only, 12" Joes were discontinued completely for them, and how they're getting far more promotion than either of the other two ever did, most recently, that could have salvaged them both. Add to that the whole style of them and THAT'S where my contention with them lies. They might be "cool" as a general action figure of sorts, but they're just, absolutely, positively, no way in hell, a G.I.Joe...to me! There's nothing unfortunate about me not wanting to add these to my collection. What is bound to happen to the G.I.Joe toys I DO want to be able to add to my collection is however. Again...I'm speculating negatively before any actually fact, to back it up, but that's just what I'm thinking is likely. Taken with the proper amount of good humor, I'd say Viper Hunter's suggestion is at least worth considering. I definitiely agree that Hasbro's folks are here in one form or another, just lurking or maybe posting incognito. I don't know if they're the ones putting out the good word on Sigma, but I guarantee they check try to keep their fingers on the pulse of what people are saying. Right about now I'm sure they're pretty darn excited about how well people are embracing Sigma. The reality is that many companies DO plant shills on boards to evaluate reaction to their products and promote items in a way that bypasses outright advertising or other prohibitted kinds of posts. They also find willing shills in fans who they let work for them. It's inexpensive to do and as evidenced by the fads and sentiments that fly between message boards, it can work if it's handled well. The right good word on the right board can be a big help. Don't ever doubt the ability of PR and advertising people to use back door tactics to generate buzz, increase sales, test the waters, or create rumors that benefit their interests. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have worked in advertising for most of my adult life. Many toy/gaming companies use precisely these kinds of "me too" tactics - playing off the fad-oriented fan culture. Some are more overt (like game companies promoting tournaments in stores) and others are more subtle (like the newbie post proclaiming how awesome some new widget is). Ever pay attention to those blurbs from critics on your movie poster or DVD box? Take a moment to look at some of the sources being quoted. Nine times out of ten it's a source you've never heard of. Guess what, those are shills - maybe not outright employees making up fake reviews (which has happened), but they're not reliable, credible sources either. They're on the box because if "someone" out there said "this is the most awesome movie I've ever seen", you're more likely to rent that direct to video crappola. After all, someone else thought it was good. All's fair in love and profit. Remember, Hasbro (and any multi-million-dollar corporation) is not your friend - they're your dealer. They'll do whatever they legally can to get you to buy their "crack" and to keep coming back for more. They spin EVERYTHING and aren't afraid to get that spin out by pretending to be just another schlump in the peanut gallery. This BTW is not an indictment of them. I am 100% red-blooded American capitalist, but I'm also a realist. I know 90% of what I see on TV and on the internet is advertising in one form or another, sometimes even when it doesn't look like it. ESPECIALLY when it doesn't look like it If I were trying to pimp my "hot" new toys, I'd do exactly the same thing.
  5. Ashtalon, Now, with my rant out of the way, I'm glad to have a chance to chat again. I welome your disagreement, BTW, and appreciate the point by point breakdown. Where I think we're disconnecting is in our intent. You seem to think I'm opposed to Joe going international or representing a global organization. It looks like you're operating on the assumption that I believe Joe "shouldn't or can't" be a global force. Maybe I'll try this a different way. Condsider this: Hasbro is taking characters and story elements from an era of Joe called "REAL AMERICAN HERO". There was no disputing or denying that in the 3 /34 inch line, Joes were an American force. It was the name of the toy line. Not Global Heroes, not Rescue Adventure International, not Hot Extreme Action Around the World... It was G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero. Hasbro, mustering all it's commercial wisdom, has plucked out characters with a deeply entrenched history as Real AMERICAN Heroes, and now made them GLOBAL hi-tech agents of some kind (without any real story explanation. Duke's under cover excuse is there, but it's totally undeveloped). This whole tactic is like making a Cthulu plush doll, but instead of making him a nightmarish man eating insanity-inducing vile monster, turning him into a friendly tentacle-headed kid's pal (which they've done). It's certainly something the rights holders are free to do, but it's a MAJOR, undeniable change to what fans have invested their time and passion in. Cthulu isn't a cuddly bed buddy any more than Snake-Eyes is a UN operative. Both of them have established fictional histories that people care about, and when you change them, you should do so with respect for the people who've supported you all along the way. Joe has always operated globally (in varying fashions), I just think there is an important distinction being made with the line now. Much like the Adventure Team era, there is a clear effort to remove Joe from his American military hero roots. That's the only point I'm making - not that I agree or disagree (although for what it's worth, I do disagree with it in the context they're doing it). I can see why many people have no problem with this at all and likewise understand those who do. As has been pointed out before, Joe can be, and is, a lot of things to a lot of people. I'm suggesting that fan's who care about the line should consider this change however, because it's significant to the mythology. It also says a lot about how Hasbro approaches the line - very much the way politicians approach volatile issues - always manuevering so that no one can point a finger or hold them to anything. They take established elements they know people like and agree with, and attach them onto something new so they can sell the idea to both old supporters and new blood. This is totally within their right (and probably in their financial interest), but it's something fans should think about. It's one more thing to consider before ponying up your time, emotions, and your dollars. Now, with all that said, you make some very solid points regarding heroes in general, and I agree with many of the possible reasons for the changes we're discussing. (Reasons similar to those I've posted in varying forms). The only place we really differ is that I think it's important for fans to look at and recognize this change, and you see it as not so big a deal. I lean toward it being a change for the worse, you lean toward it being an improvement. I can live with that, and I respect your efforts to express the sentiment in a worthwhile way. Hopefully, the folks who've read this thread, contributed, and been able to keep up with all the words (the one's who can't are pretty obvious) have found it worthwhile too.
  6. First off, I thoiught this thread was long dead. Glad to see it's still got some life in it, even if some of that life is the low-end name calling kind. Now, to General Zod and others who think this is "making a big deal out of something": In comaparison to life issues and work, and family, you're absolutely right. Debating the creative, cultural, and historical merits of toys is a waste of time, but guys... WE'RE ON A TOY FORUM! Again, for those who don't get it... THIS IS A FORUM TO DISCUSS TOYS AND THE HOBBY OF COLLECTING THEM. Yeah, I'm shouting, because every time someone tries to go deeper than posting a sound bite or gangsta-flava'd remark, someone comes along and tries to insult and belittle the fact we're having an impassioned, intelligent conversation about a subject we're interested in. Maybe you think it isn't an important thread, but how is it any different than talking about some over-paid football jock's inury and it's effect on his season, or how hot some new actress on the OC is, or how cheap you can get you ultra-rare chase figure before a scalper grabs it. There are any number of unimportant, even moronic, threads in this and any other forum at any given time, and you decide to crap on one that actually has a few thoughtful posts. If the water in this pool is too deep for you, just go to a different pool, or maybe try to stretch a little and express your opinion in a way that actually contributes. Either way, the fact you have to tear other people down for going a little deeper looks like a much greater waste of time than discussing the toys that this forum is supposed to be about. Maybe you should start your own forum where you belittle everyone else's interests and make a big deal about how stupid they are. Yeah, that's a great hobby.
  7. Thanks for responding, but you pretty much missed all my points. The term G.I. Joe historically was a reference to AMERICAN troops. You can parse it for some modern or alternate meaning in your own mind, but can't diminish the historical meaning or why it was chosen originally for the toy line. You don't have to look very far to see that this is true: http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/pr...ofile/gi01.html http://www.echostatic.com/G.I._Joe.html If you want to modify the term G.I. Joe in the fashion you're doing, it's a conscious change from both the historical reference and the origins of this toy line. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but you should be realisitic enough to admit it's a big step away from what's gone before. It's taking a distinctly Amercian icon and internationalizing him. That's a big change - and should be recognized as such whether you like the idea or not. As far as the Bond reference, you also missed the point. I'm not comparing the operational techniques of spies and soldiers, I'm comparing the STORYTELLING technique of allowing a hero to operate without the realistic boundaries and jurisdictions that exist in the world. Pretty much every TV show does this in one form or another to make it easier to tell interesting and varied stories. No one wants to see an epsidode where the heroine gets bogged down at customs or has to spend 3 hours on the phone arranging for her contact when she lands on foreign soil, then has her mission cancelled because the two governments couldn't work out an arrangement. All the "realistic" procedures and hassles of life/work get glossed over for the sake of storytelling and only come into play when the writer decides it suits the story - which isn't any more realistic than removing the boundaries entirely. The reason this is relevant to G.I. Joe is that from a storytelling standpoint, there's no need to strip away the distinctively American affiliation. Joe has had plenty of adventures around the globe and no one really cared whether or not the team was "allowed" to be there. If there's a change in Joe's affiliation from American to generic global organization, it's a conscious decision to alter the mythology of the G.I. Joe concept. Again, this is fine, but it's a significant shift - one that a lot of fans may not embrace. As far as not liking it, you also seemed to have missed that point in my posts. I LIKE a lot of things about Sigma Six, and have clearly stated such, but don't necessarily like how it's come about or what it represents in terms of the changing of the G.I. Joe concept. You know, it is possible to like something, but still evaluate and discuss it in a depthful way. In the grand scheme of life, no , Sigma Six changing the mythology of G.I. Joe isn't a big deal, but in the forum where folks like to talk about a hobby they care about, it's perfectly valid to share our thoughts on these changes. If you don't like them, you're certainly free to go on challenging them or if the "big deal" bothers you so much, just don't read those posts.
  8. Thanks for posting the pics - especially since they give good comaprisons of size and other attributes between the figures. For what they are, they look GREAT - even better and more hard edged than the characters look in the cartoon. I hope the show evolves to take a similarly serious approach, because these figures look like they come from a serious hard action-oriented line - like something you'd see in a good video game. They're not the most original looks, and follow a lot of established comic book archetypes, but they're better than a lot of the more simplified and childish-looking anime inspired toys out there. My only gripes are that I think Duke looks a bit too maniacal and I'm not feelin' any love for Heavy Duty's nose band-aid. That detail is just unnecessary and distracting for me. Otherwise, these look pretty cool. Now, I won't be buying any cause they're in their own weirdo 8" scale, but if I didn't have a basement full of 3 3/4 inch stuff, I'd be interested in these - G.I. Joe or not.
  9. Good points, but I think you're giving the creative team WAY too much credit. There has never been a problem with nationalities working together in entertainment before - James Bond is still definitively British, but he works with and operates in other countries all the time. People just accept that in the same way they accept all the characters on sci-fi shows (even aliens) speak English most of the time. It's a story-telling convention that the vast majority of people don't worry about. Here it becomes an issue however, because it's a serious change to the definition of what G.I. Joe has always stood for. To be honest, I don't care if "Sigma Six" is an international team or a U.S. military operation. "G.I. Joe" however, is all about the American military (and valorizing it), and to globalize that is to essentially re-imagine what the brand is about. That's Hasbro's decision to make, but I think it's the wrong way to go if you want to hold true to the mythos. I could be mistaken, but the term "G.I. Joe" - the real origin, was specifically in reference to US Soldiers in WWII. If that's the case and if that means something to Hasbro, sending Joes out under a global flag is a betrayal of that. In addition, my undestanding is that U.S. military forces do not deploy under anything but the US flag. Again, I could be wrong about that, but if correct, it's one more way Hasbro is taking a dump on Joe's American heritage and military tradition. This isn't just about toys, it's about the ideals G.I. Joe has stood for. If your goal is to create a world-wide profitable product however, it's brilliant, and that's what the flag change is about. It's not "creative". It's not a thoughtful decision about the practicalities of a world-wide special ops team. Those suggestions are theoretically possible, but given the other kinds of gross pandering the line has shown over and over, I think it's highly doubtful this was done for any reason other than marketing. Hasbro wants Joe to be a huge success, so they're selling out the US Flag for Euros, Yen, and whatever other foreign profits they can make. It's simply a more palatable international product if little boys and girls in Slovakia and Tanzania can root for Sigma Six as "their" team the same way American children can. That's fine in it's own way, but to associate that kind of globalism with a distinctly American term and heritage seems wrong to me - both as a Joe collector and someone with great pride in the U.S. military.
  10. I hear ya, really I do. It's just that I can seperate my opinion of the Sigma Six toys (the physical product) from my opinion of how Hasbro has been handling the overall Joe franchise (and the 3 3/4 inch scale of it in particular). My gripes (and I have many) have more to do with the overall planning and execution (no pun intended) of the property, not just Sigma Six, though that's certainly a part of it. On it's own, I think Sigma Six has a lot of merit (both the physical toys and the overall concept), and it MAY be the first intelligent, coordinated approach to the Joe property we've seen since the vintage days. Maybe... What troubles me is the road Hasbro took to get there, and the still haphazard execution they seem to be following. After watching the preview of the cartoon and seeing all the new DTC toys, it's pretty clear to me that the cartoon was originally supposed to tie into the 3 3/4 inch product line - but someone decided to make a shift to the new scale at some point after a lot of work on the 3 3/4 toys had already been done. In my opinion, this kind of schizo decision making has plagued the line since the early 90's; instead of choosing a serious, high quality, substantive creative vision and staying the course (BBI knows what this means - even Lanard and Chap Mei have figured it out), Hasbro thinks they need to jump on every god-awful badnwagon that comes along, even if doing so pisses on the very things that make Joe great. I've said it before and I'll say it again - this has all the hallmarks of design by committee and a true lack of understanding about what makes G.I. Joe a true classic American toy. I mean, in the cartoon, they switched the American flag to a UN flag! Hello? A shameful political and marketing sell-out - understandable perhaps to the bean-counting profiteers, but a disgrace to the heritage of G.I. Joe. People who approve and implement something like this simply don't "get" Joe's strengths. And that's just one example. I could cite a whole LOT more. So, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm happy about Sigma Six's arrival, small Joes' diminishing presence, or Hasbro's decision making. I'm not. I just think the Sigma toys are pretty good in their own right and deserve a fair shot as much as any other boys' action toy line.
  11. I'm not really planning on collecting Sigma toys (hardly have room for all my 3 3/4 inch lines and I don't plan on picking up some new incompatible scale), but after seeing the cartoon preview and the toys, I really hope they do well. I don't really think of them as Joe, but as their own thing - seperate from anything I'm interested in. As far as collecting, I treat them the same way I do Marvel Legends and most other 6 inch+ scale products. Neat, but not something I'm going to get into. Whether we as Joe fans like them or not, these Sigma figures are some pretty nice toys, and not even close to the worst thing to bear the G.I. Joe name. I'd go so far as to say they're much better than a lot of the neon, super-heroish crap that's been put out under the 3 3/4 inch banner (Sand-scorpion? Action attack Kamakura? That bee-themed Cobra flying pod with pee-yellow bowl viper?). Frankly I'd rather have something new and different that bears the Joe name, but keeps up the standard of conceptual quality, then have the same old, same old done poorly - which is pretty much the majority of what we've had at retail since the end of Spy Troops (and a good portion before that blew too). Heck, I think the last round of figures most consistent in spirit (if not form) to vintage Joe were the T-crotch Joe vs. Cobra waves. If not for those pesky T's they'd be some of the best Joes ever to me. Everything after that has been so inconsistent, it's like the designers have been working for six different lines and just using Joe as a catch-all for their second string concepts. I can't say I agree with how Hasbro handled this whole affair (hiatus, Sigma announcement, et al), but so long as products aimed at 3 3/4 inch collectors are still available in some form - and more collector friendly at that - I can deal with it.
  12. you're right.. Hasbro does it with the Joes... even some packages have "TROOP BUILDERS" on it.. and are packed with two generic "troops" and not to mention their TRU 6-packs.. where some are squad based figures(like an arctic set).. most are Cobra Troops... Crimson guard set, Cobra Infantry, new shadow ops infantry(or whatever it's called), those black Crimson Guards... The new BAT pack coming out... you can tell it's affected the way hasbro sells it's Joes... Star Wars... Clone 3-packs with "BUILD YOUR ARMY" right on the front.. the new Evolution pack(though not really made jsut for troop builders.. bu tit's an instant three troops)... the EE exclusive 4-packs... it's the same here... Now look at these new unleashed figures coming out.. they're going to be troop based.. a 3-pack of clones.. or wookies... same thing... Armie of Middle Earth, though I dont think they got as popular as they wanted.. these were made just for troop building... small little 3-5 packs.. most of the multi packs were troops... So, I'd have to say that Troop building has influenced the way some toy companies sell their stuff... I actually army build a lot more G.I. Joe than Star Wars, and specifically had their products in mind when I raised this question. The folks behind Joe have definitely identified and attempted to connect with the army building trend. When I saw the new Star Wars battle packs on TNI, my first thought was that these were pretty much set up to target army builders too - not so directly as Joe's but along the same lines. See, I think this influx of troop centered product is a great thing creatively. It increases variety and availability of figures, so that not only are you building armies, the armies you build have more than just one identical figure duplicated over and over. I doubt we'd see this kind of product if not for the clear sales success of trooper type figures. I suppose that's one of the reason the army builder hating irritates me - army building is resulting in some great product being produced - enough so everyone can have their share - and yet that never gets any recognition. It seems like it's more comfortable to see the negative and ignore anything positive that comes along.
  13. Not quite sure what your angle is here. You seem to be saying that army building in specific isn't relevant to these products being produced, but maybe I misread you. Clearly stores and manufacturuers keep track of what sells and in what quantity. So doesn't it stand to reason that if a particular type of figure is selling very quickly, in large quantitites (to single buyers as well as spread out over multiple buyers), that info has an impact on what they decide to produce and what future items stores elect to sell? I don't think it's as simple as Star Wars "stuff" is selling. I think they look at the specific selling patterns and try to craft products that will tap into those trends. Clearly army building is a popular practice now, even if some collectors resent it, so it looks like Hasbro and retailers are trying to tap into that - and in doing maybe they're also hoping to alleviate some of the real/perceived problems in availability of these figures.
  14. Hmmm... you mods can just quote this if it's too hard to type it out and lock it Gotta say, I think that a few yahoos posting in a thread that is otherwise not too bad isn't a reason to lock it. Maybe I can try one last time to turn it into something redeeming: Here's a serious question about army building and its effects: Would we have all the variety and numbers of troopers that are coming out if not for army building? You look at all the new multi-trooper packs and variations of troopers that are out, (and soon to be released) and have to wonder if that's a direct result of consumers doing all this army building. If so, then isn't army building a good thing? If buying troopers in quantities keeps the line fresh and results in more troopers being made, isn't that good for the hobby overall?
  15. If this thread and issue is such a waste, why even bother posting in it? No offense, but your post (even though it's in "support" of army building), is very much the kind of hostile, undeveloped post I was challenging to begin with, it's just on the other side of the issue. In a way, I suppose posts like this are what make army builders look greedy and seem hurtful to the hobby. You have every right to post however and wherever you want, but from where I'm coming from, this is the kind of post that doesn't help anyone understand the issue better or develop a positive a way to resolve it. The least you could do is try to offer some substantive reasons for why you believe what you do, but that's probably asking too much. Hurtful to the hobby? Its not hurting anything when someone's hobby is army building. And if you say that army building is hurtful to YOUR hobby, then you're just as hurtful to an army builder's hobby, so quit crying. Issue? There's an issue here? ...i dont see one...other than maybe you're jealous that you cant have something someone else has. A way to resolve it? Thats just ##$%$#ed. What are you gonna do, set a monthly limit on clone troopers...maybe make people show their ID every time they buy one and record the info so they dont go over the limit? Precious Roy, I have to give you credit. You're the first person to ever accuse me of being ANTI-army builder. I've been called a number of things with regard to this issue, but never that, especially in a thread where I've made my opinions abundantly clear. Sorry guy, but you're ranting up the wrong tree. Furthermore, you totally ignored or missed the point of the remarks I directed at you, yet still managed to illustrate them perfectly. Sweet irony, how I love thee. It's clear you haven't read ANYTHING I've posted prior in this thread. If you had, you'd see why directing all that nonsense about jealousy and hurting the hobby at me is laughably ridiculous. Really, it is. I'd respond here, but there's nothing I could add that I haven't written already. You need to go back and read the thread, especially before you start berating people. You've come into the conversation very late and clearly don't have a clue who's saying what and why.
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