The Superfly, on Aug 4 2009, 06:27 PM, said:
Card, on Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM, said:
Now your other major argument seems to be with his comments against ANI. You do realize that both ANI and Julian are never named in the article. I would have never known (or cared) what site he was talking about until you named them in your crusade. And let's face facts; Julian is not the most beloved member of the collector community (despite what he thinks). Many people think he is so far up Mattel's back side it's not even funny(Hal, Antimonitor, early samples...etc etc). Personally I think Julian is okay as he's just doing his thing, but a lot of community does not feel that way. So why bring him into this argument and begin naming names?
The fact is, Jay chose to specifically call out AFi and Julius Marx with that statement. Just because he wasn't named, doesn't mean everyone knew exactly who he was referring to. That was really an unnecessary part of the article.
Don, you and I have been friends for a long time. I would think that you would know by now that it's actually "AFi" and "Julius", but I knew who you meant. As a mod here, you represent the opinions and attitudes of TNI and it's honestly disappointing to see you backing up the insinuations that Julius received anything through dishonest methods. That was surprising to me. Despite you mentioning that you think he is "okay", the overall tone of the above speaks otherwise. To state things like "he is not the most beloved member of the collector community (despite what he thinks)
" and "many people think he is so far up Mattel's back side it's not even funny
" does nothing more than to add to the negativity surrounding this discussion. If it's not pertinent to the topic, then, as you said above, why bring him into this argument and attack his character?
Ryan, you know your like a brother to me in the collecting community (although we dont get to hang out nearly enough), but sometimes you get so clouded in your opinions that you cant see the clouds behind the trees. You get involved in working with people and then make it your personal mission to defend them whenever someone talks about them (ahem..Eplanettoys). You write a blog over on AFi and deal with Julias (and yes I know both names, I just didnt see the point of saying them over here and besides, you know I like the subtle bits of wit). So your opinion on this is already skewed in their direction.
JayC did not call out Julias or AFi, he merely stated a fact. A web site got a Hal and did not give it away. You my friend are reading way more into that then there is. Only when Grimace decided to post names did people know who was being talked about. You guys brought this up, not us. Why is it the guys over on AFi and Fwoosh seem to think we are starting anything, if anything I would dare to say we over here on TNI dont really care.
I am not defending a biased article, I am saying JayC spoke the truth on most items, and he did amend the article when items where brought to his attention. Do I agree on everything he said, nope, do I take his word as gospel, nope, but I also dont see this as an attack on anyone but Mattel. I have never said Julias obtained anything dishonestly, nor have I backed up any such statement. When did JayC say Julias recieved anything dishonestly, I dont see it? What I said is pertinent to the conversation. I stated facts that are shared throughout the collector community, Julias is not well liked outside of AFi. People dont like his relationship with the toy companies, they grow jealous of his ability to get items that everyone wants (Hal, Antimonitor, etc) because of who he knows. That is not dishonest; it is him using his contacts to get desired items. I stated that this is his business, not mine. I have never attacked Julias, as a matter a fact I barely know him. I think we have spoken online maybe twice in all my years. I neither dislike nor like the guy, I simply dont know him. For you to insinuate that I was attacking his character is both baseless and ignorant. I would hope that by now you would know me well enough to realize I dont attack people.
Card, on Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM, said:
If you really cared about the reporting you would have first PMed or emailed JayC and told him your concerns. He is very accessible and I'm sure would have been more apt to change his article based on your concerns if this had been done in private first. Only if he refused to acknowledge your issues should your critique have been posted on an open forum. Instead you came in with guns loaded, a very low post count and an obvious agenda and went right in. Of course board members here (with a decent post count) would defend the site. If I went over to ANI, YoJoe, Fwoosh, the .org or any of the larger sites and posted a complaint against one of their news items and attacked their admin I would be blasted far worse. Actually I've seen this happen, try this on the .org and it wouldn't be pretty.
I can't comment on the agendas of other posters and their behavior, but I can tell you that if I complained about the AFi dig, it would not have changed the content. The ownership here has been very negative towards AFi and Julius, for reasons I don't understand, but are obvious when reading the article. Why else would there be assumed and unsubstantiated claims made in what is supposed to be a "news article". It makes it look like Jay and TNI is 'officially' calling out both AFi and Fwoosh for no other reason than to be petty and jealous. That's not a good thing. There is no reason for the AFi and Fwoosh digs in the piece, and as a member of the staff here, I'm surprised you were comfortable with the way the article was written. All it does is get the fans riled up, and this thread is a result of that. The article could have easily been written without those elements.
There you go my friend, assuming again. Nobody here is negative towards AFi or fwoosh, as a matter a fact I bet half the people on this board dont even know about them. You guys are so freaking sensitive its almost laughable. Nobody has called out your boards. Nobody cares about your boards, what they care about are the Gleeks and how that situation has been handled. Why should my opinion on this article come into question? Again you are clearly on the side of the board you are staff on, so your opinions on this article are already biased. Add the fact that you are reading more into this than there is and here we are. What is riling up the various boards are people taking this personally. TNI does not have any agenda towards any other boards. We simply do our thing, its the other boards that are taking this so personally.
I am a member of AFi, but also a member of TNI, Fwoosh, CriticalMess, the .Org, YoJoe, JBL, HISS, JoeCustoms, and many others. I have been a contributing member of the TNI/ADC board for seven years, made many friends here, and have enjoyed some awesome discussions here. This board is a key cog of the online toy community machine.
Im also a member of those boards. And I think each one has its place and each one is important to the community.
So why do we all get wrapped up in all this community in-fighting so easily? There's really no need for it. We are all here for the same reasons. Yes, the Mattel SDCC Gleek issue is terrible, and has created a lot of anger and frustration, but I dislike seeing that anger turned around and spread to the various communities and individuals. There's no need for the TNI vs Fwoosh vs AFI vs whoever garbage. That will go nowhere. No one will "win". Instead, we will be territorial, and miserable, and petty. That takes the fun right out of the hobby.
Don't fuel the fires. Don't respond with emotion. You will be more respected for providing a thoughtful response versus a defensive, angry comment. We all have our loyalties and opinions, and we need to respect that. And most importantly, respect each other.