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  1. I'm surprised this isn't posted (& would love more info from TNI if possible!). The significant news coming out of the panel is: The Club was told that beginning at the start of the new year, Hasbro will be destroying most 3 3/4" ARAH o-ring molds in Asia due to age, rust and storage cost. * WTF?? Seriously? Destroying the molds to figures & vehicles that are the WHOLE REASON we even have a Gijoe: Rise of Cobra movie today? This will cause a major sh!tstorm. Unbelievable... *thanks to canprime's pot on JoeCanuck for the info.
  2. But unfortunately is may not be in the positive way you are insisting. Period. You keep on insinuating that because TWO of these odd CC symbols have shown up, that there MUST be some sort of authentic/Hasbro issued/produced/authorized etc. connection. So far...there has been NOTHING uncovered that points to this. Nothing at all. The only thing that we see is some photos of a similar (but very different in it's size and shape) CC with this odd-shaped logo from the old Hasbro catalogues. That so far is the ONLY thing that we know is Hasbro related and authentic. Next we have two CC figures uncovered which show a similar logo (but again...different in size and shape) appear in the hands of two collectors who both received them through Ebay. So...that's the connection so far, Sabateur. Similar (but noticeably different) logos on two CC's, owned by two collectors, puchased on Ebay. Now, let's look at the time line of the two figure's appearance to the public: Tazzman's: He first made it public Feb. 18, 2004. It was in this thread. http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?showtopic=1957192 Sabateur's: Won on Ebay Nov. 26, 2006. Posted by you on Nov. 28, 2006 in this very thread. Now, that's almost TWO FULL YEARS that a photo of this "variant" and "rare" logo was posted on Tazzman's thread on TNI. In that time, any customizer could have very easily copied this odd logo (to the best of their ability). I do not believe the seller of Sabateur's did this, as he seems like a respectable seller. But he himselft said he didn't know where he got it from and it was perhaps obtained in one of his purchases of lots. Basically in order for you Sabateur to approach this reasonably, you've got to be open to the idea of the facts that this item was viewable for two years. Anyone could have copied it. And the logos are similar, but not the same at all. Does that mean it's absolutely a custom figure? No! It could be an odd Hasbro item. What...even the experts don't know for sure (which isn't a good sign). ANd there's a heck of alot of supposition. Well, let's suppose it's this! Or that!. It's great to ask questions and propose ideas, but not while turning a blind eye to any more obvious possibilities.
  3. Hello guys. I'm posting for the first time, but have been signed-up and communicated via PMs for awhile. Shane is a good friend of mine, so let that be known. I too am a collector of G.I.Joe preproduction, prototype, and other unique items. Shane's first post was pretty direct and to the point, but not insulting. He's got plenty of experience & knowledge in this prototype area. He also mentioned a few times that he's not intending to come-off harsh, etc. But if after explaining things a few times, I'd think anyone (know matter who you are) would get kinda frustrated. 1.) Below is a main reason why the CC isn't a prototype: RESIN Hardcopies are made of resin, not the regular Gijoe plastic. Resin is a MUCH heavier substance. Unless the CC is very heavy, and has a mostly unpainted internal pieces (which it doesn't judging from the pics Sabateur provided)...then it's not a hardcopy. Hand painted hardcopies were used for internal promotion pictures, catalog and dealer catalog pictures. They are used because this photography work needs to get completed, while the manufacturing process being processed. They don't wait until they get painted production versions to start taking catalog pics. So, because of this I'm sorry to say that this CC can't be a hardcopy prototype. I wish it were, as it'd be pretty darn cool to see this show up. 2.) This CC in question's History: I spoke with the seller of this item. He's a Gijoe collector out of North Carolina and has been selling off much of his collection. Out of respect for privacy for Sabateur, I'll not post the direct link to the auction in which Sabateur won this CC. As Sabateur stated earlier in this thread, the seller has NO information behind this figure. He said he didn't even realize it had a different symbol until he auctioned it. I asked plenty of questions, like "Did you get it in Rhode Island?", "Do you have ANY possible connections with Hasbro, or former/current workers?", "Do you happen to remember purchasing any large lots of figures from sellers in Rhode Island"?, etc.etc. He said he doesn't know anything about it and said he has no idea where he got it. Now, if you've tried searching for unique/preproduction G.I.Joe items you know that there is always a story, or provenance (see Shane's first post) behind the figure. These were made 25 years ago, and that's not a long time. There should absolutely be a "paper trail" if you will tracing the item back to some connection with a Hasbro employee. 3.) Finding ONE "prototype" is AMAZING! When TWO show-up...well lets jus say it's incredibly unlikely: Both Sabateur and Tazzman have these different CC's with the odd symbols. There is no traceable source on the one Sabateur owns, and I'd venture to guess the same holds true for Tazzman's (but I'd love to know the history). Thought there's no scientific rule of thumb to prove otherwise, when two untraceable "rare" items pop-up...it's very unlikely that these have any legitimate authenticity. So, in closing hopefully all 'Joe collector's can get some good information out of reading this thread about prototypes. So in the future, people can be more prepared as to what to look for, what questions to ask, etc. No body want's to be taken for any big $$ on faked or 'undocumented' items.
  4. BatJack, thanks for the info. Where is this information from?
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